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The ultimate crayonista Europe?

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topydre

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Wonderful idea to have more High Speed rail in Europe: Paris - Berlin in 4 hours sounds great. Love the idea of a rail-based recovery. Not sure about the map though...


"The EU's Covid-19 economic recovery package could be used to fund a European ultra-rapid train network - including a four-hour train link from Paris to Berlin.
The EU's €2 trillion recovery package for economies blighted by the coronavirus pandemic and the subsequent lockdown has been driven by French president Emmanuel Macron and German chancellor Angela Merkel, and aims to avoid a damaging and long-lasting recession.
It proposes helping out industries particularly badly hit by the lockdown such as tourism.
But a report from the Vienna Institute for Economic Studies looking at ways of spending the fund to give the greatest benefit also suggests a series of massive infrastructure projects including a European ultra-rapid train network.
The document proposes "a European green high-speed train network to be established as part of a recovery programme from the Covid-19 crisis over the period of the 2020s.
"The URT network should be a new double-track high-speed railway system that is complementary to the existing networks.
'However, where suitable, also existing lines could be adapted. An average speed in the range of 250-350 km/h should be achieved. This would allow passengers to halve the current rail travel times, for instance, from Paris to Berlin in about four hours, making air travel for a large part of the intra-European passenger transport obsolete.
"Cutting by around half the EU’s domestic air passenger operations has the potential to reduce global commercial aviation CO2 emissions by about 4-5 percent. In addition, rail cargo capacities would be increased, freight transport speeded up and so also road-vehicle emissions reduced."
The plan proposes four lines.
1. Paris to Dublin - from Paris to Brest, taking the Brest-Cork ferry then running from Cork to Dublin. The report describes this route as 'taking on an additional significance in the context of Brexit'.
2. Lisbon to Helsinki - running from Lisbon through Spain and France, via Paris, then to Belgium and the Netherlands before splitting into a loop via Berlin and onwards to Helsinki.
3. Brussels to Valetta - through Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Italy before taking the ferry to Malta
4. Berlin to Nicosia - with a ferry-based sea link between Piraeus and Paphos and a loop between Vienna and Sofia.
The plan would give France an extra 2,060km of high-speed railway and Germany an extra 2,299km."
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Those dreams float every decade or so. Most countries including Germany lack a real high speed network, planning is at a snails pace.
Just look at the Fernman Belt route linking Germany and Denmark. New obstacles pop all the time and nobody dares to predict when that is finished.
 

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The Lisbon-Helsinki route is doable to a point - all that is missing are the tunnels/bridges from Stockholm via Mariehamn to Turku, which has been discussed. Rail Baltica is proceeding with Tallinn-Riga-Vilnius and I guess then into Poland. The Tallinn-Helsinki tunnel is at least being seriously talked about even if politicians are themselves playing crayonista with the possible routings. Lastest I heard was instead of the Finnish end being west of Helsinki (Kirkonummi area), some Helsinki politician wants it actually in the center of Helsinki...

Brest-Cork is going to be a challenge :)
 

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If only they could route that Brest - Cork tunnel via Penzance...;)
It's a ferry - which doesn't sit well with projected average speeds on 250-350km/H claimed. As the plan requires lots of EU funding, it can't take the obvious and much faster route through the UK.
 

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The Vienna report also discusses high capacity East West freight corridors as a kind of 'European Silk Road' in response and complement to the Chinese 'Belt and Road' infrastructure based globalisation initiative. To me a high capacity ferry between Cork and Brest makes more sense in the that freight context than as part of a high speed rail network but this is not the first time that high level geopolitical economic proposals have confused high speed passenger and high capacity freight, which are fundementally different beasts that can't really share the same tracks for trunk hauls to any great extent due to speed difference, apart perhaps for short distances at some peripheries. The report, after mulling the differences in rail gauge and power supplies across Europe, also discusses the ultra high speed train having its own technical standards and dedicated tracks which seems to me to leave a chink in the door open for new tech such as maglev or, God forbid, Hype-Loop with its absurd vacuum tubes. Incidentally there is another initiative going on attempting to establish some common technical standards among the myriad of vaporware Hype-Loop organisations in Europe. It's almost as if it's suddenly dawned on them that to establish any kind of network they may have to start to agree on some things like standard pipe gauge, guideway design, propulsion and control technology etc. This has always been a fundemental problem with maglev and most other 'gadgetbahn' solutions. Each system has its own completely incompatible proprietary guideway standards which a transport authority risks becoming locked into as far as suppliers for future renewals and expansions are concerned. If the 'wrong' tech was selected that failed to become a more widely accepted standard or lost manufacturer support completely, that could prove ruinously expensive and disruptive to undo. And just in passing the recent Chinese high speed maglev test track debut revealed a remarkable similarity to the transrapid guideway. No doubt a respectful 'homage' to the German developed technology.
 
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