Theresa May Resigns & Conservative Leader Election Discussion

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  1. FelixtheCat

    FelixtheCat Established Member

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    May has announced that she will resign on the 7th of June, and the process of electing a new leader will start the following week.

    Both a "whooo, yey!" moment, and one of trepidation. The main thing is who replaces her, as I really don't know who actually has the ability. My biggest fear would be one who is happy to leave with no deal, because no deal would be pretty awful.

    Source (like you needed confirmation):
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48394091

     
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  3. nlogax

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    May had a difficult job and at some point earlier in her premiership I felt sorry for her. But she wanted the position of PM in spite of knowing about the entrenched views of many in her party. This wasn't ever going to work out well for her.

    Who'll replace her... who knows? British politics is out of options, out of ideas, almost out of time.
     
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    I felt sorry for TM early on, however even her resignation speech just didn’t really sound statesmanlike, instead came across as even a little threatening, and she had to get the bit in there about being the second female prime minister - it almost seems as if her main raison d’etre for becoming PM was to prove a point. Even now it’s hard to think of *any* actual agenda, policies or legacy besides Brexit.

    I think the change is for the best, whilst it’s not ideal timing as regards the Brexit process, I think some fresh blood won’t go amiss. May simply hasn’t been able to get buy-in, and whilst Brexit was always going to be a tough task, the 2017 election should have been a given and she couldn’t even get people on board for that.

    My biggest concern is there simply isn’t anyone else who obviously stands out as having the shine for the role. Going forward this is the bigger immediate problem.
     
  5. 61653 HTAFC

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    In her resignation speech she said (on Brexit) "I tried, three times..." as if that's to be admired. What's the old saying about repeating the same actions and expecting different results?
     
  6. Cowley

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    If at first you don’t succeed, say “I’ve been very clear” lots and lots of times?
     
  7. 61653 HTAFC

    61653 HTAFC Established Member

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    That's the one! :rolleyes::lol:
     
  8. Master29

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    May is not an unpleasant person but sadly those waiting in the wings seem to be. There`s something odious about the likes of Johnson and Raab. Let`s hope it`s neither of these.
     
  9. AnthonyRail

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    I might cry like that when I hand in my resignation next week
     
  10. AlterEgo

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    I hate the Tory party and their relentless self-interest at the expense of everyone, including it seems themselves. Awful. Bin the lot.
     
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    In my experience that applies to any and every political party since their creation. It is the very essence of a political party to look out for itself and it's members.
     
  12. Typhoon

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    Totally agree. You can add McVey to your list. I look at the supposed contenders, few of them have been more than mediocre in office.
     
  13. edwin_m

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    Do any of the current lot actually have a concrete achievement to their names?

    The only bright side I can see is that Graying isn't standing. Yet.
     
  14. Master29

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    I actually forgot McVile. She must be the worst of the lot.
     
  15. greyman42

    greyman42 On Moderation

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    As long as its someone who can keep Corbyn out then I will be happy.
     
  16. Ianno87

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    So we'll either get someone seemingly prepared to crash us straight out of the EU regardless of the consequences, and/or waste precious time betwen now and October with a protracted leadership content.

    All because May's position had become untenable due to some with the Tory party having a misguided belief that somehow a better deal is somehow deliverable (or, more likely, leaving the EU benefitting self-interests pure and simple)
     
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    Boris is odds on. Raab and Gove a distant 2nd and 3rd place in the running.
     
  18. Groningen

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    Theresa May said that people after her must compromize to make the Brexit a success. Such a shame that compromize was not her cup of tea. Waiting with talks with Jeremy Corbyn for more than 2 years. Lets hope that Boris Johnson becomes PM so that we on the mainland can laugh about the clown.
     
  19. Typhoon

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    Careful! Trump in the White House threatening anyone and everyone (Iran, China, Syria, Mexico, I'm not certain about North Korea these days), Boris in number 10, buttering up to him. The world is starting to feel a lot less safe.
     
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    +1 :D :D
     
  21. Master29

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    Like Hitler or Stalin by that logic.
     
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    On 18 Mar 2002:Theresa May voted no on Hunting with Dogs: Ban

    On 26 May 2016:Theresa May voted in favour of repealing the Human Rights Act 1998; against plans to save the steel industry including fast-tracking infrastructure projects requiring large amounts of steel.

    On 16 Apr 2013:Theresa May voted to remove the duty on the Commission for Equality and Human Rights to work to support the development of a society where people's ability to achieve their potential is not limited by prejudice or discrimination and there is respect for human rights.

    On 16 Apr 2013:Theresa May voted against making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of caste.

    On 6 Jan 2016:Theresa May voted in favour of cutting universal credit benefits for many people in paid work

    On 18 Nov 2015:Theresa May voted for proposed cuts to tax credits and against investment aimed at growing a productive economy focused on science, technology and green jobs

    On 27 Oct 2015:Theresa May voted in favour of reducing the amount people are paid in tax credits.

    On 4 Jun 2015:Theresa May voted in favour of proposed spending cuts and changes to the welfare system and in favour of spending on new nuclear weapons.

    On 21 Jan 2013:Theresa May voted to set the rate of increase of certain benefits, payments and tax credits at 1% rather than in line with prices at 2.2% for 2014 and 2015

    On 21 Jan 2013:Theresa May voted to cap any increase in specified benefits payments and tax credits at 1% rather allow them to be increased by 2.2% in line with prices.

    On 21 Jan 2013:Theresa May voted to cap any increase in specified benefits payments and tax credits at 1% rather than allow them to increase by 2.2% in line with prices.

    On 8 Jan 2013:Theresa May voted to cap any increase discretionary working age benefits and tax credits at 1% in 2014-15 and 2015-16

    On 7 Jun 2016:Theresa May voted for the mass retention of information on people's internet usage.

    On 7 Jun 2016:Theresa May voted to allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, and the retention and examination of bulk personal datasets, subject to certain safeguards.

    On 15 Mar 2016:Theresa May voted to allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, and the retention and examination of bulk personal datasets, subject to certain safeguards.

    On 14 Mar 2016:Theresa May voted against requiring a strategy for carbon capture and storage for the energy industry


    On 2 Feb 2011:Theresa May voted in favour of the sale of England's public forest estate.

    On 5 Sep 2012:Theresa May voted against capping annual rail fair increases at 1% above inflation and not to ban increases in excess of that limit.

    On 13 May 2014:Theresa May voted not to ban letting agents charging tenants, or prospective tenants, fees.

    On 14 May 2013:Theresa May voted against calling on the Government to take real action on jobs, affordable accommodation, rising energy and water bills, the costs of travel to work.
     
  23. 433N

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    That's exactly what people in Britain thought when Mussolini, and probably Hitler, came to power. :(

    I'm sincerely hoping that we have learnt the lessons of history and that failed cabinet minister Johnson gets nowhere near power.

    Please, please, please can everyone stop calling him 'Boris' like they know him or he's a lovable rogue - this is purely a media fabrication to endear him to you. Show that you recognise this, and are not fooled, by referring to him by his name which is Boris Johnson.
     
  24. edwin_m

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    I'm going to call him Boris so anyone who gets on one of those wretched buses will forever remember who was responsible...

    Having said that, I'm beginning to think he would be the least bad option for those of us that aren't on the hard right of the Tory party. He appears to have some degree of pragmatism, chiefly employed to date in ensuring the advancement of one B Johnson, and he ought to be intelligent enough to realise the horrendous consequences of the post-Brexit period particularly for whoever is PM at the time. This might make him more able to change tack once he's paid the necessary homage to the headbangers in the membership, and he might not be too unhappy if Parliament forces a referendum and Brexit is cancelled. Raab and friends (if he has any) actually appear to believe in it, and a moderate, in the unlikely event they win, is going to waste even more time chasing a dead-in-the-water compromise.
     
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    But it's unfortunately not a question of whether "we have learnt the lessons of history" but rather whether enough Tory MPs and any of the 100,000-odd members of the party who will have a vote have learnt those lessons—and that seems very much less likely. The prospect of such a man coming to be prime minister because of the choice of party members of a party which does not have a parliamentary majority is an appalling comment on our "democracy" (and is it so far from the way in which those men of the 1930s came to power?).
     
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    Sorry! At least I didn't call him BoJo. I would say 'Johnson' but I haven't dismissed the possibility of Jo Johnson putting in an appearance.
     
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    I'm interested to know what happens with brexit from now on, will the new PMs brexit package be turned down or approved, who knows :lol:
     
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    I predict it continuing to be a total mess probably with that clown Johnson in charge.
     
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    My apologies if I came over a bit strong there. I'm not a moderator, please call Boris Johnson what you like but I will continue to bristle every time he is referred to as 'Boris'.

    I am hoping that Boris Johnson has enough enemies in the parliamentary party that he is not one of the 2 candidates selected to be put to the general membership otherwise I fear he will win. The office is well beyond his ability.

    I have been thinking that the recent state of affairs is not dissimilar to the situation in the Weimar Republic with a weak minority government ruling by decree. I can't help thinking that these are dangerous times.

    Or, if we are lucky, Rachel.
     
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    I’ve spoken with a few people in Boris’ constituency, who have never voted for anyone other than a Tory in their life. They. Didn’t mind him as mayor, but not so much as an MP, I suspect he would lose if there was a by election there.
     
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    Another Conservative Prime Minister defeated by policy towards the European Union, it seems to be the Achilles Heel of every Conservative Prime Minister.
     

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