Which lost a 4 car Voyager every 2 hours and TPE were expected to plug that gap using 185s. It's be like making Manchester-Hull 2 hourly and then commenting on there being more doubled up services. And the west side has only 142s which is inferior to a combination of 144s and 142s. I said about inferior rolling stock on the west side and you came back with capacity in your response. Statistically the North West has more passengers than Yorkshire and Yorkshire has more passengers than the North East. So if you're saying the North West has more carriages than Yorkshire then it means Northern (and TPE) have got one thing right.