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Bear in mind this was at the medical stage. As I said earlier, everything before that I had to improvise to an extent.

May manager knew I’d be going to the medical regardless I guess.

I seem to recall from when I applied that there was flexibility to rearrange the medical if I couldn’t make the initial date given. That definitely wasn’t the case with the DMI. I was simply given a date and time and expected to turn up!

Even at the medical stage, personally I’d probably keep schtum. If you’re honest there is always the risk that you fail the medical for some obscure reason and will have made your current employer aware of the fact you’re looking to leave.

If you’re already in a shift based job I accept it’s more difficult to disappear for a few hours - you can’t just say you’re working from home etc. on the day of your interview/medical. In that case I’d try to arrange a swap and only resort to calling in sick if that wasn’t possible.

The first time any of my former employers have become aware that I’ve been searching for work elsewhere is when I’ve tendered my resignation.
 
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If say you applied for 2 driver roles same company different locations are you normally interviewed at the station you applied for ? Or could it be total different city?

im guessing it would be different manager/interviewer too. Its not the same people who interview the whole north west say
 

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I seem to recall from when I applied that there was flexibility to rearrange the medical if I couldn’t make the initial date given. That definitely wasn’t the case with the DMI. I was simply given a date and time and expected to turn up!

Even at the medical stage, personally I’d probably keep schtum. If you’re honest there is always the risk that you fail the medical for some obscure reason and will have made your current employer aware of the fact you’re looking to leave.

If you’re already in a shift based job I accept it’s more difficult to disappear for a few hours - you can’t just say you’re working from home etc. on the day of your interview/medical. In that case I’d try to arrange a swap and only resort to calling in sick if that wasn’t possible.

The first time any of my former employers have become aware that I’ve been searching for work elsewhere is when I’ve tendered my resignation.
I was told if I couldn’t make the medical, another date may not be available, therefore I wasn’t prepared to risk saying I couldn’t make it.

I was open(ish) with my manager anyway about wanting to do something else career wise, and quite frankly there was only so difficult they could make my life anyway (but I was sure they wouldn’t to be fair), so I wasn’t too bothered.

I refrained from telling anybody else bar my manager that I’d been offered a job pending a successful medical because I was worried about it and generally don’t like tempting fate, at least until I had a formal offer.
 

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A hospital appointment is always a good excuse to blag time off for an interview or assessment.

My dad was quite ill a couple of years ago & I had to go with him for consultant appointments in Liverpool. Thankfully he is okay now, but I have used the excuse that I need to go with him for support.

It is a bit naughty but it's not exactly telling bare face lies either - it's twisting the truth in a way. I always made sure that I booked a day's leave aswell so I wouldn't be 'skiving' then at least my conscience is a bit clearer.

That excuse worked everytime!
 

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A hospital appointment is always a good excuse to blag time off for an interview or assessment.

My dad was quite ill a couple of years ago & I had to go with him for consultant appointments in Liverpool. Thankfully he is okay now, but I have used the excuse that I need to go with him for support.

It is a bit naughty but it's not exactly telling bare face lies either - it's twisting the truth in a way. I always made sure that I booked a day's leave aswell so I wouldn't be 'skiving' then at least my conscience is a bit clearer.

That excuse worked everytime!
My company want proof of all appointments
 

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The places I have worked for have never asked for proof of appointments - as I've taken the day as annual leave!!! As its been a short notice leave application you sometimes have to give a verbal reason for the request but it could still be declined!!!

I know what you mean though - when I was in a job last year, one lad brought in his prescription after he had had a couple of hours off for a doctor's appointment - but he didn't take it as leave and as he produced proof his wages weren't deducted. When there's a health & wellbeing issue - someone who is attending medical appointments - any reputable company should support the absence from work as long as the employee shows proof of their appointments.

I'll openly admit I've told porkies to former supervisors to blag time off but I've always taken it as annual leave and not at the detriment of the current work force. I would never tell a white lie about my own health just to blag 'free' time off because to me it is just morally wrong.

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My company want proof of all appointments

I strongly doubt your company’s HR department sees it that way.

You are entitled to self-certify for sickness if you’re off for less than 7 days and there is no legal basis for your employer to demand proof of anything.

You would simply follow your company’s laid-down procedure for notifying them of sickness and self-certifying on your return.

Hardly a big deal if you’re planning on leaving anyway.
 

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I strongly doubt your company’s HR department sees it that way.

You are entitled to self-certify for sickness if you’re off for less than 7 days and there is no legal basis for your employer to demand proof of anything.

You would simply follow your company’s laid-down procedure for notifying them of sickness and self-certifying on your return.

Hardly a big deal if you’re planning on leaving anyway.
That's big statement to make especially when you are the main bread winner and have a family to look after.

I've made my mind up anyway I'll be phoning sick. But everyone circumstances are the different. Simply avoiding the question or refusing an explanation, to you employer just makes you look even more like your upto something.

If I had holiday this wouldn't have been an issue.
 

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To add to this whole argument - a friend of mine was working for a roofing company and he applied to join the fire service as it was something he always wanted to do.

The roofing job was reasonably well paid and he worked flexible hours and made plenty of overtime. If he joined the FB he'd be taking a pay cut in wages so he was clearly following a dream and not doing it for money.

He had actually disclosed his plans with his roofing boss about joining the brigade because he always said it was something he wanted to do. The boss then made it difficult for him to attend his assessment days and when he dipped his application he was gutted he would have to wait 12 months to reply.

He then said the relationship with his boss deteriorated rapidly because the boss formed the opinion his future lay elsewhere - he was given difficult jobs and was constantly walking a tight rope. The boss then sacked him over an allegation he had abused someone in public and it was bad publicity for the firm. What had in fact happened was that my friend had remonstrated with a bloke who was blocking a right of way in a car. The boss was looking at any excuse to get rid of him which he did!

My mate then said he wished he had kept his mouth shut about the fire brigade.

My whole point to all this is that you are between a rock & a hard place with this scenario and there are no right or wrongs.

If you are up front with a current employer the chances are they will treat you less favourably than your colleagues.

CJ
 

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That's big statement to make especially when you are the main bread winner and have a family to look after.

I've made my mind up anyway I'll be phoning sick. But everyone circumstances are the different. Simply avoiding the question or refusing an explanation, to you employer just makes you look even more like your upto something.

If I had holiday this wouldn't have been an issue.

Sounds like you’re taking the right approach mate.

People go sick all the time and if you have a good sickness record it’s the best way to attend an interview without burning bridges with your current employer in case you don’t get the job, or in case you end up sitting in a talent pool for months waiting for a start date.

With railway recruitment being as it is, you never know when you’re going to get another chance.

At the end of the day, when you think about it, it’s a little irrational to feel guilty about taking a sick day when you’re going to be handing your resignation in if you get the job.

To add to this whole argument - a friend of mine was working for a roofing company and he applied to join the fire service as it was something he always wanted to do.

The roofing job was reasonably well paid and he worked flexible hours and made plenty of overtime. If he joined the FB he'd be taking a pay cut in wages so he was clearly following a dream and not doing it for money.

He had actually disclosed his plans with his roofing boss about joining the brigade because he always said it was something he wanted to do. The boss then made it difficult for him to attend his assessment days and when he dipped his application he was gutted he would have to wait 12 months to reply.

He then said the relationship with his boss deteriorated rapidly because the boss formed the opinion his future lay elsewhere - he was given difficult jobs and was constantly walking a tight rope. The boss then sacked him over an allegation he had abused someone in public and it was bad publicity for the firm. What had in fact happened was that my friend had remonstrated with a bloke who was blocking a right of way in a car. The boss was looking at any excuse to get rid of him which he did!

My mate then said he wished he had kept his mouth shut about the fire brigade.

My whole point to all this is that you are between a rock & a hard place with this scenario and there are no right or wrongs.

If you are up front with a current employer the chances are they will treat you less favourably than your colleagues.

CJ

This is a great of example of why, in most cases, it’s best not to tell your employer you’re looking elsewhere until you resign. Why risk burning bridges?!
 

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I was very lucky, I worked for a small company with 4 people including the boss. There was no way I could give enough notice to take annual leave and I certainly didnt want to call in sick. In the end I just had to tell the boss straight and although he was a bit gutted about it he didn't stop me or make my life difficult. He was actually quite supportive. It's always risky but I felt I had no other choice. Luckily it panned out and I'm now a driver.
 

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Another forum member has created a thread on here about a South Western Railway assessment on the 8th February which is a Saturday.

Clearly there must be openings for interviews & selections taking place at the weekend which is perhaps more convenient to most people who are in full time employment. As a 24/7 shift worker in my last career, it didn't make a difference whether it took place at a weekend or not.

CJ
 
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