Timetables/WTT for VT's former Pompey services

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  1. 159jim

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    Hi

    Does anyone have any timetables/WTT of VT's old Portsmouth Harbour service I could use as I'm trying to create a scenario for one of these services on Railworks TS2012

    Cheers,
    Jim.
     
  2. jcollins

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    There was a Liverpool-Poole service which called at Hartford at 17:59 if that's any help.
     
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    From the '98 TT

    Arrivals into Portsmouth Harbour: (Portsmouth & Southsea)

    Mon-Fri
    09:41 (09:37) from Birmingham New Street 06:06 (not calling at Reading)
    13:32 (13:28) from Blackpool North 07:40
    16:53 (16:46) from Liverpool Lime Street 11:35

    Sat
    13:21 (13:16) from Blackpool North 07:40
    16:33 (16:29) fromLiverpool Lime Street 11:35

    Sun
    14:20 (14:16) from Manchester Piccadilly (09:11)

    Departures from Portsmouth Harbour (Porstmouth & Southsea)

    Mon-Fri
    06:00 (06:04) to Liverpool Lime St. (WALES & WESSEX ALPHALINE - NOT VT)
    10:35 (10:41) to Manchester Piccadilly 15:37
    14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
    17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

    Sat
    14:35 (14:41) to Blackpool North 20:54
    17:35 (17:40) to Manchester Oxford Road 23:05

    Sun
    16:05 (16:09) to Manchester Oxford Road 21:00
     
  4. 159jim

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    Cheers, Do you have the intermediate timings between there and Reading?
     
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    Yes but give me a little while and I'll put them up, probably later this afternoon.
     
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    Just to point out, this service went via Salisbury, Bristol, Severn Tunnel Junction, Shrewsbury and Crewe (as opposed to Virgin's route via Guildford, Reading and Birmingham). Not sure if it reversed at Newport or simply used the Maindee curve.
     
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    Via Maindee curve - requiring an inquiry on its withdeawal ...
     
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    The service to Liverpool, via Salisbury, was the only service other than the Waterloo - Cardiff service not booked to call at Salisbury AFAIK.
     
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    Attached is the TT from '98.

    View attachment 11699

    I've left out the WW train, as mentioned above it did not go via Reading. Incidentally in '98 still showing as via Newport both ways.
     
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    I think the Pompey - Liverpool and vice versa was the only Wales and West to the city - and at one point was part of a coupled set from Manchester to West Wales which split and coupled at Newport ! - certainly towards the end of its days it went via Maindee thus requiring it to have a public hearing before withdrawal. Many of these exotic trains were Orcats raiders against other operators , to the extent that W&W were asked to explain their existence by the ORR ......
     
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    Actually (I appreciate this strays from the original topic however) looking a bit deeper, WW had a basically hourly service at Portsmouth to/from Cardiff for most of the day with occasional extensions at certain times to/from Tenby, Carmarthen, Haverfordwest, Milford Haven, Pembroke, even Barry Island :D.
     
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    Wasn't there a daily Portsmouth to Holyhead service as operated by Wales and West? I think it coupled/split at Shrewsbury with one half of the train originating/terminating at Manchester?

    And didn't South West trains do a daily Brighton to Penzance service as well?

    It's interesting to see how some of these rather odd infrequent services from BR days have now gone as a result of franchise changes.

    Do FGW still do a daily Malvern-Wymouth service and do SWT still do an infrequent Waterloo-Bristol service? And didn't that use to run to Cardiff (or possibly Swansea) and has now been cut back?
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    These services can be useful so that Councillors and transport managers can claim that there is a direct rail service between two locations, but I wonder how many people use them end to end?
     
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    There were a delightful number of bizzare services back in W&W days. These are from the Summer 1999 timetable.

    0550 Haverfordwest to Portsmouth Harbour
    0855 Pembroke Dock to Brighton (SO)
    1543 Milford Haven to Holyhead (SO)
    0900 Treherbert to Lostwithiel (arrive 1429)
    1915 Birmingham New Street to Barry Island
    0749 Weston-super-Mare to Aberdare
    0700 Barry Island to Portsmouth Harbour (SO)
    1650 Barry Island to Hereford (SuO)
    0759 Manchester Piccadilly to London Waterloo (calling at Stockport, Crewe, Whitchurch, Shrewsbury, Church Stretton, Craven Arms, Ludlow, Leominster, Hereford, Abergavenny, Cwmbran, Bristol Temple Meads, Bath Spa, Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Warminster, Woking (set down only), Clapham Junction (set down only) and London Waterloo (arrive 1406)
    1103 Manchester Piccadilly to Penzance (via Crewe, Shrewsbury, Hereford, Bristol Temple Meads, Exeter & Plymouth)
    0653 Penzance to Manchester Piccadilly (same route as above)
    1325 Penzance to Cardiff Central via Paignton, arrive 2018
    1555 Penzance to Birmingham New Street (arrive 2228)
    0525 London Waterloo to Penzance (calling at Reading, Swindon, Bath Spa, Bristol Temple Meads, Weston-super-Mare, Bridgwater, Taunton, Tiverton Parkway, Exeter St Davids, Dawlish, Teignmouth, Newton Abbot, Totnes, Ivybridge, Plymouth, Saltash, Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Lostwithiel, Par, St Austell, Truro, Redruth, Camborne, Hayle, St Erth and Penzance (arrive 1222)

    and many more.
     
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    SWT ran a down Saturday, up Sunday Waterloo - Penzance. The latter attached to another set at Plymouth that detached at Salisbury for Portsmouth. Recall there was a Saturday Paignton - Brighton service. SWT still operate a few Waterloo - Bristols.

    W&W operated services from Manchester, Liverpool, Pembroke Dock, Carmarthen and Swansea to Waterloo, Brighton, Portsmouth, Plymouth and Penzance at various times with 158s.

    FGW operate services from Brighton, Portsmouth and Weymouth to Cardiff, Gloucester and Great Malvern.
     
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    Thanks for that little insight. I didn't realise W&W went to Birmingham New Street? Was that a regular or only infrequent service?

    The 0900 Treherbert to Lostwithiel sounds the most unusual.

    But Central Trains used to be like that as well.

    I remember there being a 15:15 Birmingham New Street - Sleaford service calling at Nuneaton, Hinkley, Leicester, Loughborough, Nottingham, Grantham and Sleaford.

    And I also remember a few daily Thames Trains services from New Street to London Paddington in the late 90's.
     
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    This one seems to have changed with every timetable—it was always an Alphaline from Cardiff to Plymouth with some local service tacked on each end, but it's appeared in such guises as Pontypridd–Par (using the City line) and Treherbert–Gunnislake.
     
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    Attached is the information that I sent to the original poster that I thought I'd pass on to everyone. It only shows the services between Birmingham and Pompey, and is Mondays - Fridays only.
     

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    They were about every two hours in 1999, interworking with a two-hourly Central Trains Cardiff - Birmingham via Worcester train (so they ended up pretty uneven arriving at each termini). These are the details of all the WW trains serving Birmingham New Street on a Monday-Friday.

    0600 Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street 0809
    0640 Barry Island to Birmingham New Street 0913
    0711 Milford Haven to Birmingham New Street 1225
    1215 Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street 1429
    1400 Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street 1615
    1350 Fishguard Harbour to Birmingham New Street 1828 (Except High Summer)
    1615 Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street 1828 (High Summer Only)
    1235 Penzance to Birmingham New Street 1854
    1810 Cardiff Central to Birmingham New Street 2017
    1555 Penzance to Birmingham New Street 2228

    0900 Birmingham New Street to Fishguard Harbour 1337 (Except High Summer)
    0900 Birmingham New Street to Cardiff Central 1107 (High Summer Only)
    1043 Birmingham New Street to Cardiff Central 1253
    1243 Birmingham New Street to Milford Haven 1758
    1443 Birmingham New Street to Cardiff Central 1647
    1700 Birmingham New Street to Cardiff Central 1909
    1915 Birmingham New Street to Barry Island 2125
    2000 Birmingham New Street to Swindon 2158
    2140 Birmingham New Street to Cardiff Central 0016
    2300 Birmingham New Street to Gloucester 2359

    Its a bizzare service - Lostwithiel seems an insane place to terminate a service (why not Par!?!), but why would they run it from Treherbert via Cardiff Queen Street, with a reversal at Cardiff Central? I can see the need to get a 150 down to the South West from Canton, but it just seems such a bizzare way to do it - its as if the train just kept going, kept being linked into new services!
     
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    I would disagree, there has always been an 0600 (approx) from Portsmouth to Cardiff calling all stations between Salisbury and Bristol and that service still runs today. It used to be a 2 car 158 with a further 2 cars joining at Westbury. The Liverpool trip was created by running it as a 4 car from Portsmouth and splitting at Newport, the return working was timed to join the 1630 Cardiff to Portsmouth at Newport and then then ran through to Portsmouth as a 4 car whereas previously the 1630 from Cardiff had been a 2 car 158 with a 153 attatched between Bristol and Westbury.
     
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