Tommy Robinson

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  1. Samuel88

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    Why does this scumbag continue to get support?
    There was a rally in London today and guess what, all the usual suspects appeared. The man is in prison for comtempt of court and alt right supporters, mostly in the USA, portray him as a martyr, what is going on in this country?
     
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  3. Up_Tilt_390

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    Tommy Robinson is the product of the relevant authorities refusing to deal with certain issues. When rape gangs in Telford, Rotherham, Newcastle etc., are all being ignored because the police and authorities fear being labelled a racist, and when those on the far-left refuse to even discuss the issue and call people who dare speak of it racist, it was almost inevitable that people like Robinson, and quite a few nationalist groups like the English Defence League and Britain First, would be the ones to address it. If you ask me, few far-right groups would have the power they do today if politicians decided that equality meant treating British Pakistanis like everyone else and actually brought them to justice sooner for breaking the law and raping people.

    As an individual, I don't think Robinson is so much malicious in intent as he is extremely misguided and irrational. He left the EDL because of extremists rising up in the party, which could be taken as an attempt to remove any association from the far-right. But not only is he now part of Rebel Media, he is breaking the law in contempt of court and probably isn't thinking things through. He's also got a confrontational vibe about him that makes it sound like everything is about to turn ugly. I think the man raises a reasonable issue to be addressed, but to me he has come across as a bit misguided in his efforts to try and report on the issues and has been irrational in his contempt of court. I had little sympathies for him when he went to prison in such a case.

    As for why he's treated as a martyr? Well, because he's been made into one plain and simple. As long as the moderate and left-wing politicians turn a blind eye to foreign communities committing certain malicious acts just because the fear of being labelled as racist matters more than actually bringing rapists and grooming gangs to justice, then the vacuum gets filled by the right-wing. This is why Donald Trump was so popular among some people, because he actually had the balls to talk about issues the mainstream left and centrist even dare touch upon. It's too bad then that it had to be him to be elected to deal with the issue rather than someone more reasoned and rational who is able to see this issue as it is and deal with it accordingly. The populist will address the issue, but they won't even think about proper ways to solve it (ie. Boris Johnson with Brexit).

    Ultimately, Tommy Robinson has support because he's been addressing issues the politicians dare talk about, and when the extremists join in, they start radicalising people by exploiting the concern that nobody else addressed beforehand. Imagine if you had a problem and nobody cared about it, going as far as insulting you and making out like you're something that you're not? Then suddenly one man comes along and offers to help you, and you accept his help. Since nobody else wanted to help, you have no interest in trying to listen to them anymore because they didn't care until now, and then anyone with actual malicious intent can exploit you without you even knowing so long as this person listens to you. It's how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader! Because one malicious individual did what nobody else would for him and offered to help him in his struggles.
     
  4. AlterEgo

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    Robinson is an unpleasant and unintelligent provocateur. A total arse.

    He is however a secondary problem. The primary problem is the inability for anyone to discuss some of the issues he confronts in an adult manner.

    PS: that’s also partly why Brexit happened. The inability for anyone to discuss immigration without being called a racist was a big problem.
     
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    Well I think he should go back to making archeology programs and playing Baldrik.
    He was good at that.
     
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    Was that him? I thought this was the bloke that sang '2-4-6-8 Motorway' and 'Glad To Be Gay'.
     
  7. yorkie

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    Do you have any sources for these concerning statements?
    He is an obnoxious individual
    I don't think that anyone with any sense is going to fall for that.
    Saying he is "a bit misguided" is a huge understatement.
    Ridiculous. Where is your evidence for this?
    Donald Trump is extremely unpopular among almost everyone I know who has ever brought the subject up!

    The sort of people who "join in" with his aims are the sort of obnoxious individuals people who are an absolute drain on the planet's resources, not to mention lacking in intelligence and common sense.
     
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    :lol: Of course. Tom Robinson banned...
    I’ll get my coat (and yours EM2)
     
  9. Up_Tilt_390

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    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/child-grooming-scandal-exposed-midland-14395739

    The point of the statement was to suggest he was misguided to the point that any attempt to remove himself from association is undermined by him joining Rebel Media, a Canadian right-wing news outlet that I do not think is recognised as mainstream. The fact it relishes in calling itself "Rebel" Media suggests otherwise.
    Notice then that I wasn't foolish enough to say "a bit misguided", but rather:
    What are you wanting me to address exactly? The point primarily made in what you quoted was in regards to how as long as the moderate and left-wing won't acknowledge the issue that the right-wing will do so instead and fill the vacuum. In that regard I think any evidences speaks for itself when you look at the nationalist groups like Britain First. With that group specifically, they have more followers than the main political parties, and have likely gotten popular because it likes to touch upon the issues the authorities haven't done enough about. Such numbers of nearly two million on Facebook alone are alarming to say the least.
    I wouldn't suspect he was. I only said "some people" because it would've been outright stupid to just stop at the word popular. But he certainly appeals to certain demographics, pretty much like everyone else. Popularity can be measured in different ways. All you have to do is change what kind of people you're asking.
    That might be a bit of a narrow-minded way of seeing it. Sometimes people who join in can very well have the best intentions but ultimately fail to see past their ideal and/or desired outcomes. People join causes for very different reasons, and to narrow it down to people just lacking intelligence or common sense seems to lack perspective. One could very well call every socialist like Jeremy Corbyn an idiot just because he has an idealised version of Britain that wouldn't ever come about. He's not driven by malicious intent though, he's driven by what he thinks is right, and that usually is what most people are when it comes to politics.
     
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  10. bignosemac

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    I do like the assertion earlier in the thread that the authorities are doing nothing about grooming gangs. That alleged abuse in Telford wasn't properly investigated doesn't mean the same is true UK wide.

    Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was live blogging outside a court where one such case was ongoing. He was arrested for doing so. Why? Because he was committing a contempt of court, breaching reporting restrictions. And doing so after a previous conviction for contempt where he received a suspended sentence and was told on no uncertain terms that if he did similar again he would go to jail. The restrictions put in place are not there because of some establishment conspiracy (as the far right loonies would have you believe), but because there are multiple accused being tried at separate times and in different locations. Reporting progress in one case could prejudice another. It's a very common restriction when there are multiple defendents and one Stephen Yaxley-Lennon chose to ignore. All other press and media outlets, whatever their political viewpoint, are adhering to the restrictions. Why? So justice can be served and the victims of the alleged abuse protected. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's actions could have collapsed the ongoing trials. That just shows how stupid he is. No concern for justice or alleged victims. He chose to prejudice these trials simply because of the skin colour and religion of the accused.

    As for the knuckle dragging neanderthals protesting for his release on our city streets yesterday, do they not realise he pleaded guilty? By doing so he's acknowledged what he did was wrong.

    To paraphrase Brian Cohen's Mum. He's not a martyr. He's a very naughty boy.
     
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  11. Up_Tilt_390

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    If they know that then they are probably willfully ignoring it since it wouldn't suit the cause, or if they don't know it then they don't have the full story on the subject and may or may not be there if they did. I wouldn't be surprised if most them didn't so much have a clue about the full story since that probably happens at a lot of protests. I think the fact even Robinson knew he did wrong shows how poor of a decision it was on his behalf. Hopefully while he's doing twenty-to-ten in the pen he'll be thinking about whether he gained anything from his ridiculous stunt knowing full well he was in breach of the law.
     
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    Yes there were failings in those cases but you are exaggerating by saying authorities are "refusing to deal with" the issues and "[ignoring] rape gangs"

    Wikipedia is not a primary source. You cannot say this is a "Wikipedia statement" (!); it is just the opinion of the author of that article.

    You did say "...he he has come across as a bit misguided in his efforts..." in paragraph 2 which makes me question your motives.

    It is alarming that there are so many narrow minded individuals around, but unfortunately it is a fact that a small percentage of the population are thick enough and gullible enough and nasty enough to be mislead by people like him.

    I do wonder how much life experience you actually have to come out with some of the stuff you are saying.

    I find some of your posts to be rather concerning.
     
  13. Up_Tilt_390

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    I think some reviews beg to differ...

    https://www.theguardian.com/society...anctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review

    That's not how Wikipedia works. An author can't just cite an opinion, they have to provide a basis of it which was in the form of their cited article. Any sources deemed unreliable will be removed, as has been the case with The Daily Mail. Why they've not yet disregarded The Sun though is another cause for concern and probably does leave questions to be asked.
    I'll give you that one, I must've disregarded my own statement. Probably because, in hindsight, it was so much an understatement even. But on the other hand I have no idea what motives you think I've got under my sleeves. Far as I'm concerned Tommy Robinson made his own mistakes and is responsible for his own actions. I've little sympathy for a man who knowingly breaks the law despite having already been warned. Even he knows it was a stupid thing to do, now he just needs to think about what he gained from it while he's in the pen.
    You can wonder that as much as you wish and I don't claim to be a bastion of wisdom, but I'd say I've lived enough to know that the world isn't as black and white as some people seem to view it. It's not as simple as people suddenly being narrow-minded just because they might follow a nationalist group like Britain First. With two-million followers, not all of them are going to be narrow-minded nasty thick individuals who are mislead by extremists. Some of them just want to see someone talking about the issues that concern them and probably can't see it the same way you or I could. Narrow-mindedness, in my opinion, would be more like someone watching InfoWars and Fox News because they see every other news output as Jewish-Controlled Zionist media and that anyone who can't see that is a sheep. It's even more unfortunate for me to actually know someone like that.
    Oh you think I'm bad? Then I hope for your sake you don't meet that person I was on about before. I'm not sure you could handle someone who has admitted straight up they'd believe anything Alex Jones said and insists that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be fried in an electric chair in the middle of Washington any day now. No specific day has been given, but apparently it's definitely gonna happen. I'm not joking either, and really it's hard to comfortably talk about an issue knowing they'll have a similar stance. If they ever saw this thread I can just imagine them now thinking I'm suddenly wanting a second crusades.
     
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    It was always his intention to fall foul of the law. He knows the people who defend him are idiots.
     
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    Again the people who are clearly on the left here are more concerned with the 'thicko/Gammon/yob/EDL' reaction than the fact that there are cases of groups of men from particular ethnic backgrounds who prey on vulnerable people.

    You would think that the left who maintain that they have better intellect would be able to navigate through such sensitivities as race and be able to talk candidly about how we can educate such men who are at risk of being drawn in to these groups to get out but also to give victims better assistance and to give the general public better advice on how to spot possible signs of abuse of young girls such as:

    - (This is where we wait for the educated and caring Lefties to pause for breath from hating the 'EDL' types to give us advice)
    - (Unfortunately the Left can't say anything because they either don't want to touch on things that could bring race into it, or more alarmingly, they don't mind that this thing goes on as it's part and parcel of living in a modern Britain these days)

    When we can't have a rational conversation and have people such as Diane Abbott and Tommy Robinson speak over us, then the voices of Nazir Afsal and Sara Rowbotham become drowned out.
     
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    "Tommy Robinson" isn't his real name and he has used other names that aren't his real name before - that says it all in my opinion.
     
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    I'm going to try to give my opinion on this issue without being overly soapbox-y from an ideological standpoint...

    Much of the support that Mr Yaxley-Lennon has received from the US comes from ignorance (wilful or otherwise) of English contempt of court laws. The same goes for his domestic supporters but with more emphasis on the wilful. Even journalists on both sides have failed to inform their readership about WHY contempt of court laws exist and why they are important.

    Yaxley-Lennon wants to portray himself as some sort of martyr for both justice and freedom of speech, but in reality he is neither. His actions may have led to trials collapsing (if a defence lawyer was able to make a case that a jury might've been tainted by Mr Yaxley-Lennon's broadcasts).
    I do hope we never get to find out how The Sun would report on alleged abusers being freed due to an inability to get a fair trial... would they apologise to the victims of said abuse? I think we can all agree that there's more chance of geologists discovering a rich seam of marmite beneath Milton Keynes!

    It does seem that some of his supporters are trying to piggyback on the internet-based outrage of the Count Dankula case, which (unlike this case) WAS a genuine freedom of speech issue.
     
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    You seem to be buying into the false narrative that nothing has been done over these grooming gangs. Most people on the left are perfectly able to see that grooming of vulnerable children has been and continues to be a problem, and also that there are numbers of young Asian men involved. Many gangs have been prosecuted, and indeed were in the process of being prosecuted when Yaxley-Lennon did his level best to mess the case up.

    More importantly people are spending time looking at what leads people to commit these crimes, and what is lacking in the support network which leaves certain young people easy targets for them. That does include whether there are cultural factors in ethnic communities which encourage it, but that's really only one line of enquiry. This sort of thing has been going on with no particular ethnic element at least since I was a kid in the 80s, and probably much longer, often with minimal risk of comeback or prosecution.

    It's good that we are finally getting to grips with it as a society, regarding it as important enough to investigate and prosecute. People on the left (which seems to be your description of about 80% of the country) want to see the crimes stop and the guilty parties caught as much as you do. If some of those people are Asian then so be it - nobody thinks their race should act as a shield. It's a crying shame that people like Yaxley-Lennon and the more wicked end of the tabloid press are being allowed to hijack that process in a cheap attempt to sow racial and political division in the country. It just makes it harder for everyone.
     
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    Do you really think people here are happy to accept child abuse out of 'political correctness'?

    (The obvious answer is that I am sure just about everyone thinks that child abuse is the more serious problem, and only someone with a quite warped point of view would claim otherwise.)
     
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    Just show s the ignorance of some of the brexiteers given that many of the most vociferous brexiteers on NW regional TV at least we're British Asian s
     
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    Is that because Diane Abbott is a loud mouthed Londoner and Nasir Afzal & Sara Rowbottom were Northerners trying to do their jobs against all odds and eventually Succeeding.
     
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    It's one thing to think, but it's another thing to act. I suppose what you've said is reasonable in regards to thought, but I think it could also be thrown into doubt with the fact that Thatcher's cabinet may well have been full of child abusers and paedophiles, some of which were even given knighthoods despite this. It seems the only difference between them is that the Telford, Rotherham and Newcastle gangs were bad criminals, while the MPs were good criminals.

    As I like to say, bad criminals go to prison, good criminals go to Westminster.

    I just hope Tommy Robinson, or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon if we insist on calling him by his real name, has the same burning passion against these people if they're ever brought to justice, though I am even more in doubts about that happening. If race can be a barrier to being prosecuted, then power and money may likely be a full on shield. Having said that, if they ever were brought to justice, last thing we'd want is Robinson doing what he did here and potentially disrupting the whole process just because of his own irrational actions driven by the desperate desires to do what he does. As I've said, he's misguided and irrational at best.
     
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    I wondered how long this would take to pitch up here and which of the usual suspects would be on board team Yaxley-Lennon.

    Lets start our education by reading this blog by the Secret Barrister: https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/

    It is clear from your posts you gain a lot of your "knowledge" of world issues form the internet. May I suggest reading more widely and getting out a bit to enhance your experience of the world?

    The man is not a martyr or a journalist or a defender of free speech. He is a common criminal. It is odd he wasn't outside the trials of members of the EDL who were convicted of noncing. It seems he only cares when the victims are nonced by Asians. Why would that be?
     
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    I'll consider taking your suggestion on board. Don't know where you get the idea of me being on board team Yaxley-Lennon though. Not once have had I anything nice to say about him, unless of course you want to consider it nice of me to call him misguided and irrational rather than just a full-blown idiot. Either one works really, cause someone who commits contempt of court after already having been warned beforehand doesn't quality as smart to a good majority of people.
     
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    Drove up and down the M40 yesterday, absolutely 'charming' banner posted in a roadside field. "UKIP supports Tommy Robinson - imprisoned for exposing grooming gangs" and on the other side, "Pray for Tommy Robinson". Don't know which Oxfordshire-based shower put them there, but at very least they're purposefully missing the point. And if they actually speak for UKIP...that's going to go well isn't it?
     
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    If that's how they spell "Pray" I wouldn't worry about them too much!
     
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    Christ.. that's my own typo. Apologies, have edited the post. :oops:
     
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    No problem... I was hoping it would be their error though, rather than yours!
     
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    Exactly. If they dealt with those issues, Tommy wouldn't be an issue..
     
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    I'm not sure he's even the product of issues. He's an attention seeker. And it's disturbing that anyone takes him seriously.

    Conventional wisdom is that anyone using multiple names is probably up to no good. Beyond that, he ran tanning salons, has entirely unjustifiable views, and had a colin the caterpillar cake for his last birthday (at a very middle class Beefeater).
     
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    Multiple names (especially multiple uses of deed-poll service) can also be a sign of mental illness, something the Colin the Caterpillar cake also hints at!

    The grooming gangs issue should make everyone either angry or depressed, but the fact is that Yaxley-Lennon's actions were more likely to hinder justice being served than to assist it.
     

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