TOPS Requests (including headcodes, allocations, traction, etc) [Instructions in Post 2]

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  1. Searle

    Searle Established Member

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    This is a thread for people to Request TOPS numbers for any services, to tidy things up a little bit. Please post any requests you have and hopefully people with TRUST or other sources will be able to help out.

    Please note that this thread is only for asking and answering. Any requests with discussion required as well can have their own thread.

    I'll start off with asking what 317 was paired with 317657 on the 12:12 London Liverpool Street - Hertford East. Thanks.
     
  2. bb21

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    Tips for submitting TOPS requests

    There is no set formula for how to make your requests, although if you are looking for unit/loco numbers for a particular service, you will need all (or as many as possible) of: headcode + origin/point en route + booked departure/passing time + date.

    Passenger workings

    If you can supply the headcode, please do. Using the headcode will allow TRUST users to look up service details much quicker. When multiple services on the same route share the same headcode at different times of the day, additional details are required to differentiate between them. The easiest way is by booked origin departure times.

    Historical TRUST data are held for 14 days (13 days back, therefore on 24th, the furthest back available is the 11th, for example - and I believe data for the furthest day back start disappearing from about 2000 onwards), so please make sure you submit your requests in good time. As people answering queries are all volunteers and most have other commitments during the day, last-minute queries cannot always be answered.

    Please note that TRUST records loco-hauled rakes (including HSTs) by set number only. These are then cross-referenced to the latest formation of each set, so if a particular set had been reformed since the journey in question and the time it was looked up, only the latest formation relating to that particular set number can be obtained. It is therefore recommended that you record at least one of the locos while travelling (if HST) so that you can doublecheck with answers supplied to see whether anything had changed since your journey.

    For allocation requests of particular units/locos, please beware that allocations do not normally take place until early morning of the day in question (or even lunchtime for some afternoon workings). The best time to submit your requests would be the night before. That said, please bear in mind that for some helpers, this can be a quite long process even for just one unit, so please try and avoid requesting a huge number of allocations in one go. Smaller requests will tend to have shorter response times.

    For reference, the following loco-hauled allocations are listed in TRUST (which most of us use), subject to last-minute changes:
    • HSTs (all);
    • Anglia 90s;
    • East Coast 90s and 91s;
    • Northern Cumbrian Coast 37s;
    • ScotRail Fife circle 68s;
    • Night Riviera 57s;
    • Caledonian Sleeper (only when running as per arrangement for freight workings, see below);

    The following are not listed in TRUST:
    • Anglia 37s and 68s;
    • Arriva Wales 67s;
    • Chiltern 68s;

    The following unit allocations are not listed in TRUST:
    • London Overground workings;
    • TfL Rail/Crossrail workings;
    • Heathrow Express/Connect services;

    Freight workings

    As with passenger workings, if you can supply the headcode of the service, it will make things much easier for others to look it up for you. If you do not know the actual headcode of the service, please do not use the jumbled up train descriptor supplied by various open data sites as they are completely useless. A headcode must consist of a numeric digit (class number), followed by a letter, and then two more numeric digits, eg. 4K81. If your "headcode" is not in that format, eg. 246P, don't quote it. We cannot look trains up by this jumbled up nonsence.

    If you do not know the headcode of the service, the easiest way around it is to supply a link to the actual working on OpenTrainTimes or RealTimeTrains. Alternatively you can state the passing time of the service at any point along the route (preferrably passenger stations). It should be possible for us to look it up.

    Please note that freight consists are only listed in TRUST when the working has been activated, usually a short time before departure, and disappear after journey's end. After that point it would not be possible to look them up on TRUST. It is therefore highly recommended that you get your requests in before the journey takes place where possible, as that will give you a better chance of getting more prompt replies. Once they go off TRUST, you will have to rely on one of the few guys with specialised access to freight workings. You may also wish to consider subscribing to Freightmaster if you are heavily interested in freight workings.

    Occasionally some requests may be missed. Should you not receive a response within 3-4 days, please feel free to "bump" your request. This is a special derogation for this thread as we do not generally allow it elsewhere on the forum. Please try not to bump sooner than that, unless the request is at risk of going off TRUST.

    Finally, please remember that TRUST is not infallable. It is known to contain errors occasionally, especially during times of disruption. If you spot any potential errors, please feel free to challenge the response. It may be possible under certain circumstances to dig further, although this cannot be guaranteed.

    Enjoy!
     
  3. bb21

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    Since this idea has not really taken off, I will give it a nudge. ;)

    Could someone perform a TRUST query for me and find out the loco coupled to 43086 yesterday please? The train in question is 1C86 - 1506 from PAD. Thanks.
     
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    43131 was the other loco yesterday.
     
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    Thanks. Appreciated.
     
  6. IanXC

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    Is anyone able to confirm the other powercar operating with 43130 on 1A18, the 1010 Plymouth to Paddington today?

    Thanks
     
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    Could anyone kindly advise the other power car with 43124 working 1A35 1740 Penzance to Paddington last night (Sat 3rd).
     
  8. DanTrainMan185

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    43148 :)
     
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    43148, according to my source.

    Also, fantastic idea of a thread!
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    43165 is what I'm told for it.
     
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    Many thanks, DanTrainMan185 and Techniquest
     
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    No problem. Can confirm it is 43165.

    It is a brilliant idea for a thread!
     
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    Double-checked the power car on 1A18 today, and can confirm 43165.

    Also, to answer the query of the OP, it was 317657+317883 on 10/07.

    Good idea for a thread - worth putting as a 'sticky'?
     
  13. MCW

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    TOPS/ trust request for a light engine move at crewe station 03/08/12 consisting of 2 x clas 92's one of them was 92002, but i was unable to catch the other number, can somebody retrieve the headcode for me please, destination and number of other class 92 please?

    thanks
     
  14. Boothby97

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    EDIT: I got confused when looking for information.
     
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    On Saturday 3rd August, 92002 worked:

    0Z42 0745 Crewe - Warrington with 60020, 66201 and 92041.
    0Z98 0942 Warrington - Bescot (via Crewe) with 66201 and 92041.
    0Z23 1115 Bescot - Crewe with 92041.

    Hope this helps.
     
  16. Wikipedia

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    I don't know how far back the records go but could someone see what the 91 on 1Y14 was on 22/7/13 please?
     
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    I'm surprised the info is still in the system. :roll: Computer says: 91109
     
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    cheers mate many thanks :)
     
  19. Baitbook

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    a bright pinky stobart 66 heading out of barking, anyone have a idea what the number is of it?
     
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    66723-66727 were in pink according to wikipedia
     
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    Not entrirely correct. Those locos were in First GBRf livery...Blue locos with First group pink "Barbie" swirls on the side.
     
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    Fair enough, I just searched Pink class 66 and these numbers came up.
     
  23. BlythPower

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    At a guess could 'pink' be the strangely lurid UK version of DBS red..? :|
     
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    Can the OP give an idea of the time it was seen please?
     
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    Cheers!!
     
  26. Baitbook

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    i dont have a class what time it was between 07.00 and 08.00 last thursday and it had a pink livery pulling containers probs from Dag, and it wasnt dbs red :/ i think it was a darkish pink/purple/maroon looked horrible but ive seen nothing like it no where :/ im sure it was a stobart but i dont have a clue :cry:
     
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    Sorry can't help any further. The information is not available.
     
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    help again, EWS Ying spotted on yellow boxes to mountsorrel?? stood in knighton loop about 2 pm today, was 661xx but couldn't make out if it was 138 130 or 128.

    also GBRF 667 spotted roughly an hour later on containers heading north on the slow line.

    cheers.
     
  30. 455driver

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    Does any one know which power cars were on 1C84 1306 paddington to penzance please, I had to leap off it and run for my connection due to the late running.
     
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