TPE loaned Class 170 Leeds - Huddersfield diagrams

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Does anyone know what diagrams that the Class 170 on loan to TPE from Northern operate on for the Leeds - Huddersfield services?
 
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I didn't know that they had one on loan! Interesting to see a 170 back with them again! Which unit number is it out of interest? Also have the FTPE drivers and guards retained their training or is it operated by Northern Rail drivers and guards?
 

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I didn't know that they had one on loan! Interesting to see a 170 back with them again! Which unit number is it out of interest? Also have the FTPE drivers and guards retained their training or is it operated by Northern Rail drivers and guards?
Whichever unit Northern provide that day. The train carries a Northern driver to drive the train and a TransPennine Express one to read the paper, or route conduct if called upon to, and is worked by a TransPennine Express conductor.
 
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Many thanks. So it sounds like it's similar to the 185s on hire from FTPE to Northern Rail which didn't have specific units either. I might take a trip up to take a ride on it while it lasts. Any idea how long this is for? Is it until they get their new trains?
 

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Many thanks. So it sounds like it's similar to the 185s on hire from FTPE to Northern Rail which didn't have specific units either. I might take a trip up to take a ride on it while it lasts. Any idea how long this is for? Is it until they get their new trains?
Fundamentally it is until Northern are able to stop using TPE 185s every weekday on the west side of their franchise. This ought to happen once the Manchester-Bolton-Euxton Junction line is fully operable by EMUs, and then the diagrams are reworked, possibly May this year.
 

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Fundamentally it is until Northern are able to stop using TPE 185s every weekday on the west side of their franchise. This ought to happen once the Manchester-Bolton-Euxton Junction line is fully operable by EMUs, and then the diagrams are reworked, possibly May this year.
Or until TransPennine introduce their new rolling stock, which was promised way back.
 

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Do these ever cross with the TPE 185s subleased to Northern?

Be a great way of making a non-expert bewildered.

"Yes, your Northern only ticket is valid on that train with TransPennine Express written on it. No, it's not valid on that train with Northern written on it"

You couldn't make it up if you tried... :lol:
 

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I am led to believe staff are told to be lenient in these cases but in reality the easy money is likely a temptation some cannot ignore.
 

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Northern have a unit on loan to TPE
TPE have a unit on loan to Northern.

It might be a stupid observation, but am I the only one to see what they could do to remove both these loans?
 

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Northern have a unit on loan to TPE
TPE have a unit on loan to Northern.

It might be a stupid observation, but am I the only one to see what they could do to remove both these loans?
The 170 would be operating up to Barrow which, I beleive was done in the past, would require mass traction training just for one train, whereas the use of the 185s used to be more prolific so it makes sense to keep them running on Barrows. TPE men and women will also remember the 170s, so they may have been able to fast track the training for the guards and drivers.

The stock has no crossover points at the moment so it just makes sense to stick with what they've known, until such a possible time that the mass usage of 170s is a thing in Manchester.

I do completely understand what you mean though - eye for an eye, unit for a unit...
 

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Whichever unit Northern provide that day. The train carries a Northern driver to drive the train and a TransPennine Express one to read the paper, or route conduct if called upon to, and is worked by a TransPennine Express conductor.
Was a similar set up when DRS used class 68s on rural services in East Anglia. The booked GA driver had to be booked too throughout the many months of hire in just incase needed for route conducting, it was replaced by a DMU at short notice & to keep the staffing minutes adhered to.
 

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The 170 would be operating up to Barrow which, I beleive was done in the past, would require mass traction training just for one train, whereas the use of the 185s used to be more prolific so it makes sense to keep them running on Barrows. TPE men and women will also remember the 170s, so they may have been able to fast track the training for the guards and drivers.

The stock has no crossover points at the moment so it just makes sense to stick with what they've known, until such a possible time that the mass usage of 170s is a thing in Manchester.

I do completely understand what you mean though - eye for an eye, unit for a unit...
Well I’d be thinking more than the 170 is used on a Leeds area service and something more common like a 156/158 moves to the Barrow service, meaning the loaned 185 could then replace the 170 on TPE
 

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Is the Leeds-Huddersfield diagram an ex scot-rail 170? Presumably they each loan out 1 unit, rather than changing every week.
 

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So far it has been a mixture of un-refurbed but de-branded Scotrail (including the 2+1 ex-1st class bit) and the ones refurbed by Northern. Despite the smart refurbishment, they still betray their origins as the safety info over the doors refers to Scotrail as the operator.
 

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Well I’d be thinking more than the 170 is used on a Leeds area service and something more common like a 156/158 moves to the Barrow service, meaning the loaned 185 could then replace the 170 on TPE
Northern has two 185s on loan from TPE, and they are coupled in a 6-car formation on some workings between Manchester Airport and Preston. The Barrow workings are pathed for a 100mph DMU, and the 170s are the only other 100mph DMUs Northern has until the 195s enter traffic.

The Northern 185 diagrams are still as I described in this post, apart from some changes in platform allocations.
 

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Do these ever cross with the TPE 185s subleased to Northern?

Be a great way of making a non-expert bewildered.

"Yes, your Northern only ticket is valid on that train with TransPennine Express written on it. No, it's not valid on that train with Northern written on it"

You couldn't make it up if you tried... :lol:
Why do we even need Northern-only tickets (except for advance purchase)? The franchise system should be set up to prevent this happening.
 

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Hello all!

Does this still happen?

I am in the area soon, and wouldn't mind having a 170 ride on a TPE service, if they're still going!

Thanks!
 

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Hello all!

Does this still happen?

I am in the area soon, and wouldn't mind having a 170 ride on a TPE service, if they're still going!

Thanks!
To note it is running the all stations stopper that up to last May was run by Northern anyway, so it isn't that impressive
 

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