TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[IamTrainsYT]

I was in luck yesterday, 2 late Scarborough services arrived at the same time

 

[sjpowermac]

I was in luck yesterday, 2 late Scarborough services arrived at the same time

You certainly dropped lucky there!

 

[sjpowermac]

You're safe for a few more days yet - but make sure you post any pictures in the right thread!

And therein lies the difficulty. The diagrams thread mentions very clearly ‘no images’. This thread does state images are allowed but as has been pointed out to me in no uncertain terms that it is a thread for ‘Mk5a coaching stock’. I’m still reeling from ‘Locogate’ in the summer

Anyhow, I’m going to risk it here. For anyone who isn’t a fan of Derek the Diesel, please don’t click play, or at least fast forward to 34:00 where he’s gone past! In amongst all the cancellations, I hope the video might bring a bit of cheer!

 

[Cuboid]

Managed to land on one of these unexpectedly this morning from Leeds. I knew the timetables had changed but didn't spot that the 07:06 has now moved earlier to 07:00 instead. The first new TPE train I've managed to get.

Nice looking train - step up from from the commuter style carriages of the 185 but nice none-the-less.

Sat in the first standard class carriage after the 1st class one, ended up sitting at a table which I normally dislike doing (too much faffing with table legs when you're tall) but the train swallowed enough people that only 1 person sat opposite me anyway.

Much quieter than the 185s, no vibrations through the floor (which was lovely to feel), however as a tall & fat person I found the window table seats to be too cramped.

The seats feel closer to the wall than the same on a 185 (lacking a bit of elbow room at the window), the metal floor heating guard comes out too far into the floor so I couldn't have my feet/legs resting properly on the floor, the seat backs looked too 'upright' (but since I was only on it for 20 minutes to Huddersfield it didn't bother me), the air-con vents at the bottom of the window (whilst a good idea in theory - gets the cold air to your body rather than the floor or ceiling) those vents will be chock full of rubbish, vomit, spilt drinks and damaged easily (any idea if TPE has a plan for sorting out these vents when damage or clogged?).

Also felt like the aisle seat would have been uncomfortable for anyone sitting at the side of me since I ended up partially on that seat. Are these newer seats narrower than the 185s? I never got this feeling on those seats (unless my perceptions deceive me).

I also did feel (as others have said) that the ride is quite bouncy with a bit more rough riding too. TBF I've found this on the 195s as well.

For now I'll take all of these if it means I actually get a seat on these goddamn trains when they're in service.

 

[Bertie the bus]

70003 has returned TP01 from storage at Longtown MOD today - https://flic.kr/p/2i1DoZ5

 

[YorkshireBear]

70003 has returned TP01 from storage at Longtown MOD today - https://flic.kr/p/2i1DoZ5

That is quite a rare shot and very nice.

Good to see some coming back!

 

[sjpowermac]

70003 has returned TP01 from storage at Longtown MOD today - https://flic.kr/p/2i1DoZ5

Excellent image and agreed, great to see this.

 

[AndyB28]

Well I'm a happy bunny this morning! Just seen my first Nova 3 set 'in the flesh'. Trouble is, it wasn't where I'd expect it. Resolution (and TP08?) was heading east-bound on the Oxford Rd - Piccadilly viaduct at about 8.15 this morning. Does anyone have any idea what service this was?

 

[Jamesrob637]

Well I'm a happy bunny this morning! Just seen my first Nova 3 set 'in the flesh'. Trouble is, it wasn't where I'd expect it. Resolution (and TP08?) was heading east-bound on the Oxford Rd - Piccadilly viaduct at about 8.15 this morning. Does anyone have any idea what service this was?

Possibly this?
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72700/2019-12-20/detailed

 

[AndyB28]

Possibly this?
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72700/2019-12-20/detailed

Thanks Jamesrob637. Of course, if I'd remembered to check Sjpowermac's excellent summaries I'd have realised TP08 isn't yet in passenger service and that this must have been some sort of test run or ECS move! I'll get the hang of this one day...

 

[sjpowermac]

Nova 3 sets accepted
TP09 12.04.2019
TP06 15.05.2019
TP04 04.07.2019
TP11 11.07.2019
TP12 03.10.2019
TP08 22.11.2019
TP13 06.12.2019
TP07 19.12.2019 (?)

Awaiting Fault Free Running
TP10
TP01

Stored
TP02 13.08.2019
TP05 13.08.2019
TP01 23.08.2019 returned 17.12.2019
TP03 12.09.2019

 

[sjpowermac]

Current loco/Mk5a pairings
TP04 68021 (was 68025)
TP06 68025
TP07 68023*
TP08 68019
TP09 68027
TP11 68026
TP12 68028 (was 68030)
TP13 68022

*Yet to run in passenger service

Observations from sightings. As always, no inside knowledge, so I’m happy to be corrected

EDIT: 68025 paired with TP06 from 27.12.2019 onwards.

 

[sjpowermac]

TP07 FFR
Great to see such a rapid completion of Fault Free Running for this set
As always, no inside knowledge so happy to be corrected.

68023 plus UP07 (TP07)
Tuesday 10.12.2019
05:15 Manchester International Depot-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
11:33 Crewe-Manchester International Depot

Wednesday 11.12.2019
05:15 Manchester International Depot-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-Manchester International Depot

Thursday 12.12.2019
05:15 Manchester International Depot-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-Manchester International Depot

Friday 13.12.2019
05:15 Manchester International Depot-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-Manchester International Depot

Monday 16.12.2019
05:15 Manchester International Depot-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:30 Crewe-Manchester International Depot

 

[sjpowermac]

Well I'm a happy bunny this morning! Just seen my first Nova 3 set 'in the flesh'. Trouble is, it wasn't where I'd expect it. Resolution (and TP08?) was heading east-bound on the Oxford Rd - Piccadilly viaduct at about 8.15 this morning. Does anyone have any idea what service this was?

On Friday 20.12.2019 68022 ‘Resolution’ with TP13 worked the 05:34 Scarborough to Liverpool train as far as Manchester Victoria. The train was terminated there and ran empty to Longsight. The working you saw must have been the empty stock move. Hope that helps

 

[AndyB28]

Many thanks for the info sjpowermac. To be honest, just chuffed to have finally seen one .

 

[CHAPS2034]

Many thanks for the info sjpowermac. To be honest, just chuffed to have finally seen one .

Now the next trick is to try and ride on one - easier said than done at the moment.

 

[sjpowermac]

Many thanks for the info sjpowermac. To be honest, just chuffed to have finally seen one .

Now the next trick is to try and ride on one - easier said than done at the moment.

Lots of opportunities today with four diagrams out until the middle of the afternoon. Staff shortages have made it a bit trickier this evening!

 

[sjpowermac]

Nova 3 sets first passenger runs
TP07 entered service today, though I understand there were some problems with its second train, 1F60 09:34 Scarborough to Liverpool.

Listed below are the dates of entry into service of the Nova 3 sets, together with their first passenger workings.

Most of the list is from observation, but as always, happy to be corrected if anyone has changes to make

TP09 68027 24.08.2019
1F48 05:55 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP11 68026 28.08.2019
1F62 12:54 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP04 68025 19.09.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP12 68030 05.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP06 68028 12.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP08 68019 01.12.2019
1E29 08:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP13 68022 11.12.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP07 68023 24.12.2019
1E23 06:27 Manchester Piccadilly-Scarborough

 

[YorkshireBear]

Nova 3 sets first passenger runs
TP07 entered service today, though I understand there were some problems with its second train, 1F60 09:34 Scarborough to Liverpool.

Listed below are the dates of entry into service of the Nova 3 sets, together with their first passenger workings.

Most of the list is from observation, but as always, happy to be corrected if anyone has changes to make

TP09 68027 24.08.2019
1F48 05:55 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP11 68026 28.08.2019
1F62 12:54 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP04 68025 19.09.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP12 68030 05.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP06 68028 12.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP08 68019 01.12.2019
1E29 08:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP13 68022 11.12.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP07 68023 24.12.2019
1E23 06:27 Manchester Piccadilly-ScarboroughView attachment 71933

TP07 Didn't last long, didn't even make it back to Manchester. Decided to fail between Huddersfield and Stalybridge on the way back causing massive delays.

 

[Class455]

TP07 FFR
Great to see such a rapid completion of Fault Free Running for this set
As always, no inside knowledge so happy to be corrected.

68023 plus UP07 (TP07)
Tuesday 10.12.2019
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
11:33 Crewe-Carlisle

Wednesday 11.12.2019
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-MID

Thursday 12.12.2019
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-MID

Friday 13.12.2019
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Bletchley
15:33 Bletchley-MID

Monday 16.12.2019
05:15 MID-Carlisle
08:12 Carlisle-Crewe
12:30 Crewe-MID

Just to clarify, when you say MID do you mean Middlesbrough?

 

[CHAPS2034]

Just to clarify, when you say MID do you mean Middlesbrough?

Manchester International Depot - west side of the main line south of Piccadilly opposite Longsight.

 

[sjpowermac]

Just to clarify, when you say MID do you mean Middlesbrough?

Manchester International Depot - west side of the main line south of Piccadilly opposite Longsight.

Yes, Manchester International Depot.
Post updated for clarity.

 

[Ben Bow]

Nova 3 sets first passenger runs
TP07 entered service today, though I understand there were some problems with its second train, 1F60 09:34 Scarborough to Liverpool.

Listed below are the dates of entry into service of the Nova 3 sets, together with their first passenger workings.

Most of the list is from observation, but as always, happy to be corrected if anyone has changes to make

TP09 68027 24.08.2019
1F48 05:55 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP11 68026 28.08.2019
1F62 12:54 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool

TP04 68025 19.09.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP12 68030 05.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP06 68028 12.10.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP08 68019 01.12.2019
1E29 08:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP13 68022 11.12.2019
1E23 05:56 Liverpool-Scarborough

TP07 68023 24.12.2019
1E23 06:27 Manchester Piccadilly-ScarboroughView attachment 71933

Thank you for that summary, very interesting. Haven't seen 68025/TP04 for a while.

 

[K.o.R]

Looks like the 68 still had its red lights on where it was coupled to the coach.

 

[PennineSuperb]

Looks like the 68 still had its red lights on where it was coupled to the coach.

That is just the 'Door Not in Use' indicators on the Guards door.

 

[sjpowermac]

Looks like the 68 still had its red lights on where it was coupled to the coach.

You can see in this picture the indicator mentioned in the post below. Not easy to tell from the video

That is just the 'Door Not in Use' indicators on the Guards door.

 

[K.o.R]

That is just the 'Door Not in Use' indicators on the Guards door.

Ah yes. The motion blur made it look like it was on the loco.

 

[sjpowermac]

Thank you for that summary, very interesting. Haven't seen 68025/TP04 for a while.

Since you mentioned it

Nova 3 sets: latest dates in traffic (as at 26.12.2019)

TP07 (68023) 24.12.2019
TP09 (68027) 24.12.2019
TP12 (68028) 23.12.2019
TP13 (68022) 22.12.2019
TP08 (68019) 22.12.2019
TP11 (68026) 05.12.2019
TP06 (68028) 28.11.2019
TP04 (68025) 28.10.2019

It seems that most of the sets rotate through being active but TP04 is the odd one out, with TP06 being the other away from the fray for quite some time.

I know that 68025 went back to Crewe for maintenance and I think 68021 took its place with TP04, though not working in passenger service. Similarly 68028 was paired with TP06 prior to moving over on to TP12.

I’m not sure what’s involved with software updates for the stock and loco, but I’d assume both will need to be at the same version in order to work together. The Public Information Screens and automated announcements seem to have settled now but perhaps there are still tweaks in other areas?

 

[D6700]

Top record keeping, as always @sjpowermac. In years to come, when people are writing historic articles on these trains, you will be the person they need to go to for the gen!

 

[sjpowermac]

Top record keeping, as always @sjpowermac. In years to come, when people are writing historic articles on these trains, you will be the person they need to go to for the gen!

Haha! Just the observations of a nosey loco spotter

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