TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

[Domh245]

Whilst searching the news about the new SW franchise, I found this image in an article from getSurrey, which I am guessing is a rendering of a Mk5 driving trailer in TPE colours.

Quite a bulky front end!

 

[BMIFlyer]

Whilst searching the news about the new SW franchise, I found this image in an article from getSurrey, which I am guessing is a rendering of a Mk5 driving trailer in TPE colours.

Quite a bulky front end!

For: a) crash worthiness
b) The ability to be hauled by a rescue loco if required.

 

[cf111]

Fearsome looking thing!

 

[WatcherZero]

Are they not going to have coupler covers?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Fearsome looking thing!

Although I disagree with the scrapping of yellow ends, I must admit that looks fantastic!

 

[Roast Veg]

Very nice looking stock, simple but striking. Didn't even occur to me that the yellow wasn't there at first.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Fearsome looking thing!

It reminds me of the creature from the film "Lilo and stitch".

 

[Bungle965]

It reminds me of the creature from the film "Lilo and stitch".

I see what you mean there, brings back some memories!
Sam

 

[Bletchleyite]

Very nice looking stock, simple but striking.

Looks very European. A bit like:

Proper trains once again. Who'd have thought it.

 

[Spartacus]

Very similar in style to the Irish Mk 5 DVTs produced by CAF, but obviously with an evolved design.

http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=205

 

[RichmondCommu]

Looks very European. A bit like:

Proper trains once again. Who'd have thought it.

Proper trains until the loco fails and you're in a mess.

 

[Nymanic]

Very similar in style to the Irish Mk 5 DVTs produced by CAF, but obviously with an evolved design.

http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=205

There's certainly a resemblance, and perhaps having that stock in its repertoire has helped CAF size things up the second time round, so as to ensure quick production.

Alas, I'm sure TPE's seating choice will leave a little more to be desired than the rather fine specimens that IE passengers enjoy...

 

[Des Iroman]

Are they not going to have coupler covers?

No, they'll be pretty much as per the image.

 

[Jonny]

Fearsome looking thing!

Perhaps it will help to get the message across about the dangers of the railway

 

[hurricanemk1c]

Very similar in style to the Irish Mk 5 DVTs produced by CAF, but obviously with an evolved design.

http://www.caf.net/en/productos-serv...alle.php?p=205

There's certainly a resemblance, and perhaps having that stock in its repertoire has helped CAF size things up the second time round, so as to ensure quick production.

Alas, I'm sure TPE's seating choice will leave a little more to be desired than the rather fine specimens that IE passengers enjoy...

As point of note, they are Mark 4's not Mark 5's. No relation to the IC225 sets. And the first photo is from my home station

The seats on the Mark 4's aren't exactly the best - prefer ICR seats myself. Tend to find the backs of the Mark 4's too hard and have a tendancy to pop in and out unless fitted perfectly.

Back on topic - have to say I like the look of them. Looks like it means business

 

[GrimShady]

I must say the lack of yellow is horrid!

 

[507021]

I must say the lack of yellow is horrid!

I would usually agree, but in this case I think they're very smart looking driving trailers. I'm looking forward to seeing them in the metal.

 

[Bornin1980s]

I suppose one can debate how it looks, but is it still as safe without a yellow end? Also, will the locos still have yellow ends?

 

[Via Bank]

I suppose one can debate how it looks, but is it still as safe without a yellow end? Also, will the locos still have yellow ends?

1. Yes
2. Why would they?

 

[najaB]

1. Yes

I can see how a train with high-intensity lighting and no yellow panel is as safe as a train with a yellow panel and no high-intensity lighting. However, would they not both be less safe than a train with high-intensity lighting *and* a yellow panel?

 

[coppercapped]

I can see how a train with high-intensity lighting and no yellow panel is as safe as a train with a yellow panel and no high-intensity lighting. However, would they not both be less safe than a train with high-intensity lighting *and* a yellow panel?

As the yellow panel has no effect for the half of the year when it is dark, I can't see that its absence will make much difference.

 

[najaB]

As the yellow panel has no effect for the half of the year when it is dark, I can't see that its absence will make much difference.

Using that logic, why did they ever mandate yellow panels at all?

 

[fowler9]

Using that logic, why did they ever mandate yellow panels at all?

Probably because it was better than nothing. Certainly modern lights knock the small patch of yellow paint in to the shade. Ha ha.

 

[coppercapped]

Using that logic, why did they ever mandate yellow panels at all?

Because when the yellow panels were introduced trains had no headlights at all, just dimly lit (at night) route indicator panels. A dull green front did not stand out at all so a yellow patch was an improvement, even if it only worked during the day. Sealed beam headlights came a lot later.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Can hardly blame it on a lack of orders due to privatisation though, BREL was sold off 5 years before the bill authorising the end of BR was introduced to Parliament and factory closures were already ongoing through the 80's.

There was a hiatus of orders immediately pre privatisation and post privatisation. It certainly didn't help

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I suppose one can debate how it looks, but is it still as safe without a yellow end? Also, will the locos still have yellow ends?

1. Yes
2. Why would they?

The locos most likely WILL have yellow ends, as all the 68s delivered so far do have them.

Yellow ends are so familiar that anything without looks odd. I understand that the reason for them is largely no longer needed but it seems like the only reason for not continuing is because some TOC MD who is used to getting their own way threw a tantrum because he wanted to paint it black. :roll:

 

[Bornin1980s]

Why are nearly all oparaters ditching yellow ends painting the ends black. In most of the world, the ends are simply painted body colour.

 

[najaB]

A dull green front did not stand out at all so a yellow patch was an improvement, even if it only worked during the day.

So, for half the year they provided no benefit. Which is the logic used above.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I can see how a train with high-intensity lighting and no yellow panel is as safe as a train with a yellow panel and no high-intensity lighting. However, would they not both be less safe than a train with high-intensity lighting *and* a yellow panel?

You see the high intensity headlight well before the yellow end, so no.

 

[coppercapped]

So, for half the year they provided no benefit. Which is the logic used above.

Exactly.