TPE Nova 1 Class 802/2 Progress

[LNW-GW Joint]

I agree about Chat Moss, most of the way from Manchester to Newton-le-Willows is 75mph, with a 60 mph limit at the Glazebury level Crossing. The lack of line speed increases is probably due to the boggy nature of the Chat Moss route increasing the likelihood of subsidence, hence the use of Goalpost portals for the OHLE. In the height of austerity there likely wasn't enough funding to upgrade the line speed and signalling.
Its a shame as the line is as straight as the ECML north of York, so a 125 mph line speed limit could otherwise have been implemented which the 802s could take advantage of.

That's not quite right.
Before electrification the line speed on the Chat Moss route was 75mph throughout, except a tedious 2-mile section of 60mph from Astley eastwards to the M60 bridge.
90mph is now allowed west of Astley as far as Broad Green, and the 60mph at Astley has been reduced to a few hundred yards, so there is more 75mph running here.
Other problems are the junctions at Parkside and Earlestown, and catching up the various stoppers en route.
The 4-track Huyton-Roby section is very useful for overtaking at times, but it's a pity it was not extended further west (the M62 encroaches at Broad Green).
It is a little surprising that 100mph was not specified rather than 90mph, with all the trains now capable of that.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I get that some of the diagrams start at Doncaster Carr and Craigentinny but most of the diagrams start at Heaton or Edge Hill.
Who does the maintenance of these units at Edge Hill and Heaton? Is that Hitachi or is it contracted to some other business?

Alstom do the light maintenance of the 802s on behalf of Hitachi at Edge Hill.
When Avanti get some class 80x trains for the WCML they will also be maintained by Alstom at Wolverhampton, again for Hitachi.
Don't know about Heaton.

 

[greyman42]

I saw a 802 heading north from York at 1430 on diesel. Was this a one off or was there a reason?

 

[swt_passenger]

I saw a 802 heading north from York at 1430 on diesel. Was this a one off or was there a reason?

There are more power supply limitations for TPE on Sundays than weekdays, because LNER have extra trains on the Newcastle and Edinburgh route. So as explained in the track access application some TPE services are not able to use electric power between Dalton and Aycliffe neutral sections.

So you’d expect them to leave York on diesel as per earlier discussions as they won’t want to changeover when on the move.

 

[8J]

Alstom do the light maintenance of the 802s on behalf of Hitachi at Edge Hill.
When Avanti get some class 80x trains for the WCML they will also be maintained by Alstom at Wolverhampton, again for Hitachi.
Don't know about Heaton.

Hitatchi actually have a number fitters who are based at Edge Hill and do some limited light maintenence. They aren't able to do much more as Alstom want a small fortune off them to use the shed at Edge Hill for under unit work in a pit.

 

[3973EXL]

5X98/Q61/Q54 802203
0813 Eastleigh - Acton - Doncaster - Heaton
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04013/2020-03-18/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04007/2020-03-18/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04006/2020-03-18/detailed

5Q90/X90 Heaton - Acton - Eastleigh Caped

 

[3973EXL]

5Q90/X90 to Eastleigh running today.
Started Doncaster vice Heaton.
802218

 

[Scotrail88]

With the reduced services on the ECML - are the limited services to Newcastle and Edinburgh now using electric power throughout?
surely sufficient availability during this time?

 

[_toommm_]

One thing I’ve wondered recently:

The door release seems incredibly quick on these. Does the driver release the doos, a-la CrossCountry Voyagers?

 

[PennineSuperb]

One thing I’ve wondered recently:

The door release seems incredibly quick on these. Does the driver release the doos, a-la CrossCountry Voyagers?

Yes, under normal working the Driver opens the train doors, and the Guard closes them, however unlike XC full door control is availabile to the Guard at all times and there is no '10 Bell Dispatch'

Photo of Guards Door Controls attached.

 

[Nym]

One does have to wonder why there is a spare switch cover cable tied to the operating one...?

 

[_toommm_]

Yes, under normal working the Driver opens the train doors, and the Guard closes them, however unlike XC full door control is availabile to the Guard at all times and there is no '10 Bell Dispatch'

Photo of Guards Door Controls attached.

Thanks for that. So the process is that the driver opens, guard steps out. Guard shutsall doors apart from local, shuts local then gives two on the bell?

Is that the same with the rest of the 80x family do you know?

 

[TheAlbanach_]

Yes, under normal working the Driver opens the train doors, and the Guard closes them, however unlike XC full door control is availabile to the Guard at all times and there is no '10 Bell Dispatch'

Photo of Guards Door Controls attached.

Isn’t that a 395 panel? Or is the TPE 802s different from 801/800?

 

[Domh245]

Isn’t that a 395 panel? Or is the TPE 802s different from 801/800?

With the 'wood' panelling around it, it won't be a 395! Do they even have guard panels, I thought they were completely driver despatch

 

[PennineSuperb]

Thanks for that. So the process is that the driver opens, guard steps out. Guard shutsall doors apart from local, shuts local then gives two on the bell?

Is that the same with the rest of the 80x family do you know?

Sorry, wrong thread! Thought this was the Mk5A thread.
But yes principle is the same on an 802, Driver Release, Conductor Close.

80X's have 3 set up modes,
DOO - Driver Open, Driver Close
DGO-D - Driver Open, Conductor Close
DGO-G - Conductor Open, Conductor Close

The Guard has to be 'given' door control via the Driver under DGO-G to ensure that the MSDO (Manual Selective Door Opening) is correct on the TMS (Train Management System.) Once they have checked the TMS shows the correct door pattern, they press a 'Train Door Control' button, which hands door control to the Guard.

Under DGO-D the Train Door Control is automatically given to the Guard once a door release is given.

Once the train doors and the local door has been closed by a Guard, they have no control over the doors and must ring the Driver to request door control.

 

[sjm77]

Before electrification the line speed on the Chat Moss route was 75mph throughout, except a tedious 2-mile section of 60mph from Astley eastwards to the M60 bridge.
90mph is now allowed west of Astley as far as Broad Green, and the 60mph at Astley has been reduced to a few hundred yards, so there is more 75mph running here.

Is the remaining few hundred yards of 60mph at Astley simply because of the precarious nature of the level crossing with car drivers opening and closing the road* gates themselves?

*road might be a stretch, it is essentially a busy farm track!

 

[The Northern Star]

The Nova 1 is making new stomping ground on Thursday...

#WCML

 

[_toommm_]

The Nova 1 is making new stomping ground on Thursday...

#WCML

Is it anything interesting, or is it just off for maintenance somewhere?

 

[Nym]

The Nova 1 is making new stomping ground on Thursday...

#WCML

It's already been run on the WCML for commissioning tests. Set 01 and 02.

 

[The Northern Star]

Is it anything interesting, or is it just off for maintenance somewhere?

To somewhere and back... It's clearance testing I think

It's already been run on the WCML for commissioning tests. Set 01 and 02.

But this run uses nothing but wires...

 

[Nym]

To somewhere and back... It's clearance testing I think


But this run uses nothing but wires...

Plenty of time on the wires on Sets 1 and 2, since it was testing the Pantograph OLE interface.

 

[The Northern Star]

Plenty of time on the wires on Sets 1 and 2, since it was testing the Pantograph OLE interface.

You're taking about North of Preston aren't you?

 

[Nym]

No.
Between Crewe and Warrington towards the end of last year before the fleet was introduced.

 

[The Northern Star]

No.
Between Crewe and Warrington towards the end of last year before the fleet was introduced.

I'm talking new stomping ground North of Preston..

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Is that so the Avanti sets on order can "hit the ground running" as the saying goes? If so that's one upside of franchises being suspended!

 

[The Northern Star]

Is that so the Avanti sets on order can "hit the ground running" as the saying goes? If so that's one upside of franchises being suspended!

Nope.
All TPE.
Shall post the times on here tomorrow.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Nope.
All TPE.
Shall post the times on here tomorrow.

Sorry, I meant are the tests taking place on behalf of Avanti- obviously the units are TPE because the Avanti ones don't exist yet.
If it's just being done for TPE, it will at least allow 802s to fill in for 397s, which will be handy if the power is off.

 

[The Northern Star]

Sorry, I meant are the tests taking place on behalf of Avanti- obviously the units are TPE because the Avanti ones don't exist yet.
If it's just being done for TPE, it will at least allow 802s to fill in for 397s, which will be handy if the power is off.

From the beginning of the second line in your comment. Until the number 397 is right...

 

[59CosG95]

From the beginning of the second line in your comment. Until the number 397 is right...

Is this filling in for the departed 350s then?

 

[The Northern Star]

Is this filling in for the departed 350s then?

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