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TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

Paul.Rosser

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Dear all I am a new member and possibly missed previous postings I have been into railways since 1974 my query is has anyone got a current TPE 68 service diagrams the ones published in a rail magazine may have changed thank you once again Paul
 
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Hello, when the 68s are fully operational over the pennines how many sets will be required per day, does anyone know yet? Are they intended to go to places other than Scarborough?, Newcastle or Middlesbrough for example. I thought I saw that somewhere a while ago. Thanks.
 

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As far as I'm aware, the intention is still to diagram 12 from 13, covering Scarborough and Middlesbrough / Redcar workings. However I believe that since the December 2018 changes to the diagrams (i.e. with the May 2018 turnarounds having been unworkable) there is a need for 1 (or is it 2?) more sets to cover these diagrams, so logically there will still be 185s out too.
 

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Does anyone know if TPE operate the 68 and Mk5 set on a Saturday. If so, is it the same diagram as weekdays? Thanks
 

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According to staff I spoke to at Leeds last week the usual diagram is 0556 LIV-SCA and 0941 return, then 1256 LIV-SCA and 1644 return. However, they said that it frequently gets pulled during the day because a fault develops and it is then replaced by a 185, which had happened on the day that I had hoped to catch it.
 

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I'm hoping to catch one of these tomorrow so was wondering what services they would be working
 

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The link doesn't work. I'm hoping to catch one of these tomorrow so was wondering what services they would be working
I have no inside knowledge but I’ve listed below the trains that have been booked Nova 3 in recent weeks.

From Wednesday onwards of this week, both diagrams have run. Things can change on the day, so best to use the information as a guide rather than ‘this will definitely be working’. Hope that helps and you enjoy your day:)

Selected days Mon-Sat
Diagram 1
5F48 04:54 Longsight-Manchester Vic
1F48 05:55 Manchester Vic-Liverpool LS
1E25 06:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F62 10:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E39 13:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F76 17:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1J53 20:56 Liverpool LS-Stalybridge
5H53 21:57 Stalybridge-Longsight

Diagram 2
5E23 04:06 Longsight-LIV
1E23 05:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F60 09:41 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E37 12:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1F74 16:44 Scarborough-Liverpool LS
1E51 19:56 Liverpool LS-Scarborough
1P98 22:46 Scarborough-Manchester Picc
5F86 01:32 Manchester Picc-Longsight
 

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(Y81050 C) 1E37 12:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81049 C) 1E39 13:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y80625 C) 1F74 16:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81027 C) 1F76 17:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81043 C) 1E51 19:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y83000 C) 1J53 20:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Stalybridge Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
 

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Given today’s cancellations, treat with caution, but it looks like there maybe an additional diagram for Sunday. If it does work then I think this would be the first Nova 3 in passenger service at Manchester Airport. As always, no inside knowledge, so any confirmation much appreciated.

5M04 07:24 Longsight-Manchester Victoria (07:54)
9M04 08:25 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool (09:00)
1E31 09:55 Liverpool-Scarborough (12:40)
1F68 13:44 Scarborough-Liverpool (16:32)
1E45 16:52 Liverpool-Scarborough (19:40)
1P42 20:42 Scarborough-Manchester Airport (23:23)
5H42 23:40 Manchester Airport-Longsight (00:19)
 

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Train 17210815 (∇43790) 5H60 11:56 Manchester Victoria to Longsight Carriage Maintenance Depot, I'm afraid.
 

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Hello, when the 68s are fully operational over the pennines how many sets will be required per day, does anyone know yet? Are they intended to go to places other than Scarborough?, Newcastle or Middlesbrough for example. I thought I saw that somewhere a while ago. Thanks.
12/13 sets will be in service, 1 set on maintenance, 7 are required for the Liverpool - Scarborough route which with cover all workings and there are 7 diagrams required to cover the Airport - Redcar route which will be covered by the other 5 sets with 2 diagrams being worked by 185’s.
 

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(Y81050 C) 1E37 12:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81049 C) 1E39 13:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y80625 C) 1F74 16:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81027 C) 1F76 17:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81043 C) 1E51 19:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Scarborough Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y83000 C) 1J53 20:56 Liverpool Lime Street High Level to Stalybridge Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
Thanks very much for posting this info, It has come in very useful and saved a few people wasted journeys North, much appreciated.
 

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12/13 sets will be in service, 1 set on maintenance, 7 are required for the Liverpool - Scarborough route which with cover all workings and there are 7 diagrams required to cover the Airport - Redcar route which will be covered by the other 5 sets with 2 diagrams being worked by 185’s.

Brilliant thanks. Do you know which route the airport trains are going to take?
 

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I was under the impression that M-S, 1P98, 22:46 Sca-Man was via the Calder Valley and not stopping at Mcv tho I can be a little hard of thinking now and again, easily confused.
 

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Have just looked at realtime trains and answered my own question :-P I must have imagined it! Sorry!
 

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1P98 is booked to run via the Calder Valley, Manchester Victoria (not booked to stop) then Salford Crescent (reverse) to Manchester Piccadilly FSX, FO it is booked to run via Huddersfield, Stalybridge, Manchester Victoria (not booked to stop) then Salford Crescent (reverse) to Manchester Piccadilly, SO it is booked to run via Huddersfield, Stalybridge & Guide Bridge to Manchester Piccadilly.
 

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(Y80625 C) 1F74 16:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED
(Y81027 C) 1F76 17:44 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street High Level Runs on 28/09/19 CANCELLED

With the 17:02 from Newcastle to Liverpool also being a "planned" cancellation, that was three cancelled trains in a row from York to Liverpool - 17:38, 18:09 and 18:41, giving a 2 hour gap after the 17:09. When a through service was finally provided, the 19:09 was almost 30 minutes into Liverpool!
 

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The usual Sunday diagram

5E29/1E29/1F66/1E43/1F80/5H93

looks like it’s not a Class 68 (at least for the first part!) with 5E29 07:09 Longsight-Liverpool cancelled due to a ‘shortage of train crew’. 1E29 shown as starting at York.

On a more positive note, it seems the new Sunday diagram is running, can anyone confirm it’s a Class 68? Certainly 5M04 appears to have started at Longsight.

5M04 07:24 Longsight-Manchester Victoria (07:54)
9M04 08:25 Manchester Victoria-Liverpool (09:00)
1E31 09:55 Liverpool-Scarborough (12:40)
1F68 13:44 Scarborough-Liverpool (16:32)
1E45 16:52 Liverpool-Scarborough (19:40)
1P42 20:42 Scarborough-Manchester Airport (23:23)
5H42 23:40 Manchester Airport-Longsight (00:19)
 

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9M04 08:25 MCV-LIV has now been cancelled due to flooding, 1E51 09:55 LIV-SCA now starting from MCV.
 

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Monday - Saturday

Set 1
1F48 05.55 MCV-LIV
1E25 06.56 LIV-SCA
1F62 10.41 SCA-LIV
1E39 13.56 LIV-SCA
1F76 17.44 SCA-LIV
1J53 20.56 LIV-SYB

Set 2
1E23 05.56 LIV-SCA
1F60 09.41 SCA-LIV
1E37 12.56 LIV-SCA
1F74 16.44 SCA-LIV
1E51 19.56 LIV-SCA
1P98 22.46 SCA-MAN

Sunday

Set 1
1E29 08.56 LIV-SCA
1F66 12.41 SCA-LIV
1E43 15.52 LIV-SCA
1F80 19.44 SCA-LIV

Set 2
9M04 08.25 MCV-LIV
1E31 09.55 LIV-SCA
1F68 13.44 SCA-LIV
1E45 16:52 LIV-SCA
1P42 20.42 SCA-MIA
 

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