Train Describer Messages

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  1. spark001uk

    spark001uk Established Member

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    Slang for knackered maybe?
     
  2. 318266

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    *NO* - To be used with *GO*, yet another version of NOGO
    *GO* - To be used with *NO*, yet another version of NOGO
     
  3. TheEdge

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    Knackered.

    Its worth pointing out again if people are compiling a list that these really are mostly electronic post it notes for each signaller and will vary depending on the man or woman manning the panel. So there will probably be hundreds if not thousands of variations of these.
     
  4. ComUtoR

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    Because local jargon is well, only known locally. So if a Signaller put in a locally known message that someone else didn't know or understand then it can lead to an incident.

    I've heard a few phrases on here that I have no idea about. I've been driving 10+yrs and some posts from other Drivers on here still confuse me. Safety critical communication does not and should not include Jargon.
     
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    MOLE - Unknown usage, currently in Bletchley C.S.
     
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    None of them.
     
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    CL86 - Class 86, currently at Rugby
     
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    WMT - Unknown, with NOGO at Wolverhampton P6
     
  9. ComUtoR

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    -TYHS-
     
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    Logically that's probably West Midlands Trains.
     
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    They are all jargon as the only official use of train describer is to describe trains, the rest are just aids that signallers use as local reminders. Which in no way replaces signalling reminders, be it lever collars, button or electronic.
     
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    -NPSG-

    Cheers to the both of ya.
     
  13. swills

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    None of them are official, they are all just made up by individual siggies to remind them of what is there, or going on.
     
  14. Steve Harris

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    That is not a bad idea.
     
  15. E_Reeves

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    See post 164
     
  16. Ken H

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    but people would make up silly ones

    Freight At Rail Terminal ...
     
  17. E_Reeves

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    :lol: There are a few silly ones if you look through this thread!
     
  18. Sunset route

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    Your forgetting that we have to go through a proper handover at change of shift or for meal breaks, where what has happened, is happening and is going to happen is all explained, with the limits of incidents fully explained, any note left in TD berths would also come under this if not understood. Iffour signallers work in a signalboxe and use codes in certain berths then I can’t see where the confusion would be as it what they themselves have come up with, the same goes at multi panel/workstation locations would still be local to them. The real protection stoll comes from using the signalling reminders as per the rule book, the rest is just a visual aid.
     
  19. E_Reeves

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    Thanks, I've added it to the list :)
     
  20. pompeyfan

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    Quite often you’ll get 4377, 4450, 5444, 8450 3158 and so on so the signaller knows if there’s any unallocated stock and it’s length.. doesn’t work if it’s 10x444 or 12x450!
     
  21. kev1974

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    Lots of "-LB-" all over the Waterloo and adjoining maps through Clapham to both Barnes and Surbiton at the moment (02:05). Any idea on that? Some of the berths closer to Waterloo have "-T3-" on them which I know to be an engineering possession, so I guess the many LB entries are related to the relatively small area of T3.

    Could be "Local Block" or "Line Block" ?

    They also currently have the times of the first morning departures in the Waterloo platform berths, which is quite common to see overnight there, not just when it's all going wrong.

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    Indeed -LB- is a Line Blockage, nothing to do with a T3, there seems to be more and more Line Blockages these days, and less T3's, but..... it saves on staff ! However if there is an Engineering Train / OTM working etc, then it still has to be a T3 possession.
     
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    Northern often stable a 319 or 323 in Piccadilly P12 throughout the day, signallers normally write A319 or A323, 3CAR or 4CAR.

    When other units are stabled, the describer is normally the booked departure time of that train if it has a while to wait.
     
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    Class 230 Underground train as in Mole underground animal?
     
  26. swt_passenger

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    Many of which, such as NAKA, had already been posted and explained months ago when this thread first got going.

    As someone ressurected the thread only a few days ago, we’re now seeing a load of repeats, unfortunately...
     
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    Sorry!
     
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    NOPC No Person In Charge
    STBL Stable
    SHUT Closed
    SHNT Shunt move
    ITxx Item number for engineering works from weekly operating notice eg IT23

    A train description (particularly freight)without the first number usually means no loco attached...eg -L23
     
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    Ixxx also often seen for three-digit item numbers.


    Also often seen at Waterloo to denote a train missing something (eg half the train, driver or guard)

    -J-- also often seen at Waterloo for a train awaiting a join.
     
  30. spark001uk

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    I have before seen 2444 and 3450 used to overcome this, denoting the number of units rather than cars.

    EDIT: Just seen DETS, assuming that means detonators in place.
     

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