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I'm considering buying the U-Bahn Frankfurt II route, am I better getting this off Steam or from Just Trains?
JT have it on sale at a reduced price just now so if there's no difference between vendors then I'll go for the JT version.
Thanks
 
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I'm considering buying the U-Bahn Frankfurt II route, am I better getting this off Steam or from Just Trains?
JT have it on sale at a reduced price just now so if there's no difference between vendors then I'll go for the JT version.
Thanks
As far as I'm aware, there's normally very little to no difference between versions of routes or stock on Steam and other developers' sites, so I'd suggest the JT one if it's cheaper :)

-Peter
 

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As far as I'm aware, there's normally very little to no difference between versions of routes or stock on Steam and other developers' sites, so I'd suggest the JT one if it's cheaper :)

-Peter

Just as long as you don’t order Armstrong Powerhouse stock through Steam, as you only get one livery for a very small price reduction.
 

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Just as long as you don’t order Armstrong Powerhouse stock through Steam, as you only get one livery for a very small price reduction.
That's a very good point. Though I believe the Wherry Lines route is the same (bar a couple of differences?) between Steam and AP’s website?

-Peter
 

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That's a very good point. Though I believe the Wherry Lines route is the same (bar a couple of differences?) between Steam and AP’s website?

-Peter

As far as I can see - I’ve got the Steam version personally.

The only difference is third-party scenarios don’t like using the Steam version if the scenario was created with the AP version, or vice versa (I believe due to different folder structures).
 

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As far as I'm aware, there's normally very little to no difference between versions of routes or stock on Steam and other developers' sites, so I'd suggest the JT one if it's cheaper :)

-Peter
Ah okay, thanks
Just as long as you don’t order Armstrong Powerhouse stock through Steam, as you only get one livery for a very small price reduction.
Ah yes I'm aware of that.
Who's responsible for the product descriptions on Steam, where Steam are acting as a re-seller for AP? I feel like it would be beneficial for it to be mentioned in the description that the Steam version has reduced functionality compared to the standard (AP) version, as people might not be aware that there are differences or that TS products can even be bought from elsewhere.
 

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Ah okay, thanks

Ah yes I'm aware of that.
Who's responsible for the product descriptions on Steam, where Steam are acting as a re-seller for AP? I feel like it would be beneficial for it to be mentioned in the description that the Steam version has reduced functionality compared to the standard (AP) version, as people might not be aware that there are differences or that TS products can even be bought from elsewhere.

I would have thought AP, and DTG may have some say in what they want AP to include.
 

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That's a very good point. Though I believe the Wherry Lines route is the same (bar a couple of differences?) between Steam and AP’s website?

-Peter

Depends what you define as different really. They are the both the same price but what you actually receive for your money depending on where you buy it varies massively.

If buying direct from Armstrong Powerhouse you need to own three other routes to run the route and another to use the reworked Class 37, this is potentially another £50 or so without sales. If buying from Steam you don't need to buy anything extra at all and you also receive the Class 37 along with an additional Class 170 and the European and US asset packs.

Granted, long term users of TS may well have the requirements already so will buy directly from AP. For new users, the Steam version is a no brainer.

Who's responsible for the product descriptions on Steam, where Steam are acting as a re-seller for AP? I feel like it would be beneficial for it to be mentioned in the description that the Steam version has reduced functionality compared to the standard (AP) version, as people might not be aware that there are differences or that TS products can even be bought from elsewhere.

I'm not sure the onus is on any vendor to encourage you to buy a product elsewhere and prevent a potential sale, don't forget that it is AP who choose to sell a product with a single livery on Steam, not the other way around. It's no different to any other shopping experience where the customer would research and shop around before committing to a purchase.
 

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I'm not sure the onus is on any vendor to encourage you to buy a product elsewhere and prevent a potential sale, ...
Ah yes, that's very true!

Does anyone know when the JT sale ends (or where to find out)? I forgot to buy it during the day today, if it's still on for a few days yet then I'll get it at the weekend.
 

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The South Wales Coastal (Bristol to Swansea) route, withdrawn along with the Welsh Marches route due to Arriva licensing issues, has been re-released in unbranded form. Usually £24.99, it's currently reduced slightly to £19.99 until 1st December.

 

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As a boy I had a model railway, now in my middle age, I’ve just bought the digital upgrade, TS2021!

I’d used a flight simulator in the past, and previous versions of railway simulators I came across didn’t look so great. But they’ve improved a lot, so I decided to give it a go.

One downside of the model railway is that unless you have an aircraft hangar to house it, all you have to play with are a few ‘model miles’, whereas with the simulator, you can try your hand on hundreds of miles of replicated routes.

it also gives you the opportunity to learn much more about the mechanics of driving a train.
 

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Just trains have announced they are developing the Hope Valley Route. They've already announced The Highland Mainline so that's two potentially cracking routes they have in development that could cause me to prise open my wallet for this sim twice more.

There was a really excellent freeware version of the HML quite late on in the MSTS era, it was easily my favourite route in the sim. Let’s hope the Just Trains TS version is up to the same standard, it could even pip Cornish Main Line as my ultimate sim route.
 

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Just trains have announced they are developing the Hope Valley Route. They've already announced The Highland Mainline so that's two potentially cracking routes they have in development that could cause me to prise open my wallet for this sim twice more.

Thanks for that! With their MML work, there should be some nice scenario opportunities such as Nottingham to Manchester, freights to Hope, or even Project Rio HSTs.
 

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Another upcoming - but presumably closer to release - product announced on Wednesday was Armstrong Powerhouse's Class 411/412 unit. On the topic of JustTrains though, a number of product updates fixing issues were released today and can be downloaded by re-downloading them from your account. The Metropolitan Line, S7+1 stock, S8 stock, 7MT Steamer, MML Scenario Pack, Voyager and South Devon Mainline.

 

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Another upcoming - but presumably closer to release - product announced on Wednesday was Armstrong Powerhouse's Class 411/412 unit. On the topic of JustTrains though, a number of product updates fixing issues were released today and can be downloaded by re-downloading them from your account. The Metropolitan Line, S7+1 stock, S8 stock, 7MT Steamer, MML Scenario Pack, Voyager and South Devon Mainline.

It has been released on the website for £29.99, which is not surprising considering the amount of detail.
 

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Looks great, but will have to wait for me, after a Winter sale splurge!

AP seems to have a lot more MUs than diesel locos. Is that because they are more common now, and it’s harder to access older locos that have been largely scrapped?
 

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AP seems to have a lot more MUs than diesel locos. Is that because they are more common now, and it’s harder to access older locos that have been largely scrapped?
I expect it might be down to what they want to make and what they can make. The 'what they can make' isn't as much of a problem as it used to be, though; see the Class 50 pack as an example - they managed to recreate the sounds of an unrefurbished Class 50 from old 1970s recordings, even though those sounds haven't been made by a Class 50 for years!

-Peter
 

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That was quick! Worth noting if you own any of the 205, 319, 456 and 465/466 packs, the scenarios have been updated in those packs if you redownload them to include the new 411/412 pack as AI.
 

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