Train skipped stop unannounced - last train of night - what *should* have happened?

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  1. swills

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    To go off on a slight tangent, is the alarm really still needed (in its current form) today? In Ye Olde Days with no through corridors an alarm was the only way for passengers to communicate anything (wasn't it called a communication cord?) Fast forward to the 21st Century, and there are no end of ways to communicate (dare I say too many!) Whilst many passcomms are now not so much brakes as intercoms, is that not the way to go? A safety critical member of staff has an intercom to answer and asses the situation and the best response from there. The main issue would be DOO trains of course. But, is the Alarm an out of date thing?
     
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    No

    Anyone needs to be able to stop the train immediately if it starts with someone trapped in the doors / leaning against the side / etc
     
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    We now have a 'call for aid' this is more of an intercom and does not put the brakes on. I think that's a better system but I'm not sure if the complete removal is the way forward.

    Personally, I think we should be working towards prevention more than anything else. My modern traction has a smoke detector and will go off potentially before a passenger even notices, its got fire suppression and heat detection. It's built to a higher standard so there is less chance for internal cupboards opening, bits falling off, people hanging out windows etc etc.

    Interlock for doors should always be improved so that you can't trap people in doors, onboard cameras help reduce dispatch irregularities and and various gubbins under the bonnet can prevent various incidents, including and not limited to CSDE/SDO (correct side door enable/Selective door operation) Trains are getting safer and safer. Potentially there will be a point where the passcom isn't required because there are other systems in place. The runaway train scenario is mitigated by the DSD and DVD (Deadmans handle)

    The passcom doesn't do very well as a 'safety device' On the stock I drive; I will make an attempt to override the brake anyway.
     
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    Germany has long had two separate ones - the "Notbremse" (emergency brake) in red to stop the train immediately, and the "Notruf" (emergency call) in green for things that are emergencies but don't require the train to stop, e.g. an assault or medical emergency. I always thought this a very good idea.
     
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    Indeed. UK trains use green for the emergency door release which just seems like an invitation and is more prominent than the door release buttons on some units, with predictable results if the cover ever gets knocked off!
     
  8. CanalWalker

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    And if a bus driver fails to stop at a scheduled stop what do you do?
    Ring the passcomm repeatedly (and start swearing)
     
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    You are a passenger, not a backseat driver. The passcomm being pulled by a well-intentioned passenger in a non-emergency situation is one thing, but someone who has been told by numerous people in the industry that a fail to call is not an emergency but decides they know better is quite another.

    If there's multiple fails to call with no information given then that's potentially a different matter. Or if you genuinely have reason to believe that something is seriously amiss and could cause harm to someone.

    A door being open is quite obviously an immediate danger to someone, as is a wheel coming through the floor.
     
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    Of there is another thing with stopping the train 'by force' after failing to stop, it will only cause further delay overall, if it has passed the stop by more than 400yds, or gone over a crossing, then it will not set back, I will go forward to the next station, so stopping it, will / could add 15 to 20 mins to that journey, or when it gets to the next station on time /early !, then tell the staff it missed station X, although by then they will be fully aware !
     

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