Traincrew footwear

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  1. OneOffDave

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    One thing that had puzzled me before the current dispute and even more so with the contingency staffing is that there doesn't appear to be a standard for footwear that guards wear. I've seen all sorts from 'proper' safety shoes and boots right through to 'office' every day shoes that I think wouldn't be much use line side.

    Is there a standard?
     
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  3. Fred Dinenage

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    You must have an awful lot of time on your hands. I know some people are obsessed with “ traction “ but this is entering the twilight zone ;)
     
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    At our place there is a list of approved safety shoes we can order. It gets a bit more grey if people wear their own shoes which are clearly safety shoes (eg Cats, other brands are available).

    God forbid someone with loafers on was to slip and hurt themselves, no blame attributable to the employer in that case.
     
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    When I'm sat watching the guard put the ramp down while I'm waiting to get off the train twice a day it's fairly easy to notice this kind of thing. I'm also fairly observant and in previous jobs I've been responsible for specifying PPE. Just seems odd to me that the footwear varies so much given the uniformed nature of the role
     
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    At my TOC it is optional for guards. Some wear them some don't.
     
  7. Matt-the-mutt

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    I've worked platform and shunting now with the same TOC

    Steel toe capped safety shoes are required and provided by the company. Platform we were told it's to avoid dropping passenger ramps on the toes.

    Though what is required and what are worn by staff aren't always the same thing~
     
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    I have a pair of safety shoes that look just like from normal 'office' shoes.
    More comfortable than some as well
     
  9. John Webb

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    I wore safety shoes or boots when appropriate during my thirty years of work, and have continued to wear safety shoes ever since retiring. I've a broad foot and the safety shoes are a far more comfortable fit than those I can buy in the normal shoe shop. Also cheaper and better wearing in my experience!
     
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    Safety shoes/boots are available for issue, but not the most comfortable. I prefer to buy my own toecap Magnums. Maximum comfort all year round.
     
  11. sw1ller

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    I believe the standard is the shoe/boot must have a protective toe cap and sole. At least that’s what I’ve been told should I wish to buy my own. We had an incident a few years back where someone with their own boots stepped on a nail on ballast. Don’t think your standard magnums would protect you from that.
    I will add, there are a few types you can order from the TOC from proper big boots, things that look like running trainers and ones that look like office shoes, but they all meet the safety standard.
     
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    Toe cap and protective midsole are a must. Steel or composite, either is fine.

    Our standard issue are fully non slip soles and flash flame resistant too. You can get a contribution to purchasing your own boots, but it's tough to get the same spec as these within that budget.

    Whatever you get, investing in a good pair of gel insoles, and regularly changing them, makes a massive difference when you're walking 3-4k a day!
     
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    Not true. If your employer requires you to wear PPE, and you are injured as a result of not wearing that PPE, the employer is liable. Regardless of whether it was the employees choice to not wear the PPE, the employer has allowed them to carry out a role without taking the precautions identified as required by a risk assessment.
    If an employee refuses the wear the required PPE the employer needs to take that up with them. I've ended up dismissing people for repeated violations like this. Better that than have to tell their families that they've been injured at work.
    One guy nearly blinded once by hot calcium hydroxide getting on his eyes. Not wearing goggles and carrying out a task not to the procedure. Company still had to pay compensation.
     
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    It's also taking personal responsibility for your own health and well being. If your employer provides PPE, use it! When they don't provide it, think carefully - I used to wear safety footwear when commuting into Paddington. Not because I might need to scramble around on the track, but to protect my toes from commuters who pushed, barged and trampled....
     
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    All "safety critical" staff must wear approved safety foot-ware on duty. As above there is a list is approved shoes/boots to choose from. When the ones I liked were removed from the list I volunteered to by a pair off Amazon. I was told I had to have authority to wear what would now be unauthorised footware.
     
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    There’s still a few hairy a**ed old BR boys knocking around in some ancient brogues and a hi vis BR Bra.
     
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    AFIK BR never issued safety shoes to traincrew,I always purchased my own sturdy shoes. It was well into privatisation when I was issued my first safety pair. BR did however issue socks which is more than any private company has done,unless you know different. Connex socks anyone?
     
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    Steel midsole have never been a mandatory requirement for traincrew AFAIK, and are not even present on the the company issue boots.
     
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    Although shoes are issued as many times as you want them they are hideous. Like having a couple of chunky tyres on your feet. I like many choose to buy my own & claim back through expenses. I also have never bought steel toe capped or anything similar.
     
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    I dont think it’s a steel midsole, but I’ve been told that anything I buy myself must be puncture resistant (or words to that affect). Stems from an accident someone had at work years ago. Might just be a depot thing, I don’t know.
     
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    "Old" Northern issued socks.
     
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    LU now issue footwear to Staff, probably started in the early-90s.
    Mandatory to wear issued footwear or medical exemption for others.
    Steel toecaps or any other steel strengthening is out. Although that didn’t stop one manufacturer ignoring that until it became exposed and all had to be withdrawn!

    Previously DM shoes, then choice DM shoes/boots. Moving through alternative manufacturers, now with Magnums shoe/boots.
     
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    My previous TOC insisted on steel toe capped boots. The ones they issued were uncomfortable and poor quality (along with the rest of the uniform!) so people often bought their own. I can’t really see why steel toe caps are necessary for drivers, as you’re never involved in lifting heavy items.

    My new place is rather more grown up and basically leaves it to the discretion of the individual, which works perfectly fine. Personally I favour smart, yet reasonably stout shoes with decent tread, in case I end up walking on the ballast.
     
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    Railtrack used to include socks in their uniform.
     
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    What about walking on the track with all the hazards there and possibly removing branches from the line? Quite a few instances where drivers would need full safety-shoes.
     
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    I like to bull up my toecaps to a mirror shine. Old habit from my Police days. Toecaps makes it easier to maintain, but it only takes one careless foot placement on the cab steps to undo the hard work. I wish Kiwi would bring out a crackproof polish!
     
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    I’ve yet to experience that, luckily. Felling timber isn’t in my job description last I checked so, should the situation demand, I’ll leave that in the capable hands of the MOM.

    My last depot had a rotary shoe “buffer” by the messroom entrance, which could instantly apply a high shine to the filthiest pair of work boots.

    Come to think about it, that shoe polisher was the best thing about working there. Explains why I left ;).
     
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    Company issue shoes are cr@p, I buy my own, Dunlop’s from sports direct. Far more comfy...
     
  29. OneOffDave

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    Tornado nose cone paint is what you need for very shiny and durable toecaps. Tricky to get boots sprayed with it outside of the RAF though
     
  30. sw1ller

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    tricky inside the raf now too!!
     
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    Yep, heard about that one. Any opportunity to put it to the test though, was scuppered by the RAF Doctor at Cottesmore who failed me on the medical to become a Rock Ape!
     

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