Tram and Train at 16

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  1. RubyOnRails

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    Hey guys!

    I won't go into it much but I'm 15 (at the moment) and I'm at Uni. I get to Uni by using the Metrolink and then getting a train from either Deansgate or Victoria to Salford Crescent.

    As I'm a child in the eyes of the railway now, I just get a monthly season ticket from Sale Metrolink (shows up as "Metrolink Zone F") to Salford Crescent. This has been fine for the past few months. However, as my 16th birthday will be just after next semester starts I want to work out what I'm going to do for tickets.

    Basically, I have an igo pass which gives me child rate travel on trams (but not trains) in Manchester until the 31st August after my 16th birthday. So I'll essentially be a child on the metro but not on the train.

    So my question is; is there any combined ticket for this or would it be cheaper to buy a metrolink season ticket to City Zone at child rate then an adult manchester to salford season ticket?

    I'm assuming that's what I'd have to do but I was wondering if there was any exception with it being a joint ticket.

    Thanks! :wub:
     
  2. HilversumNS

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    3 years ahead of anyone else your age?
     
  3. RubyOnRails

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    Yeah I didn't really want to go into detail incase it went off topic haha. Been doing stuff part time at the OU since I was 11 and got enough credits to apply for Uni of Salford last year and got in (had to do a GCSE privately in English and Maths).
     
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    According to http://www.salford.ac.uk/about-us/travel/travelling-to-the-university

    Not knowing Manchester particularly well, I don't know if that's of any use to you.
     
  5. PermitToTravel

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    No, it's in the wrong direction, unless by "main University campuses" they meant to include that of the Manchester Metropolitan University.
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    A Sale to Salford season would be £25.80 per week.

    The combination of a Sale to City Zone child season (£8.90/week) and Manchester Stations to Salford Crescent adult season (£10.40/week) is just £19.30/week, so you'd be best off getting that - although I don't know if there are any better options. I love the username pun :D
     
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    Thank you haha! I'm a Rails dev myself so I thought of it as I was signing up xD

    Yeah that's what I'm thinking.
     
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    Would consider asking TfGM about issuing a Scholars Permit in light of the circumstances:

    1: Too old for igo
    2: Still in full time education
    3: Physically in year 12 despite place of education.

    In light of your age, I can easily see this being allowed as an exception - 9-5 Mon-Fri 0161 244 1050

    Contact TfGM passes and permits unit for further info, but remember a Scholars Permit allows half fare *child* travel one journey, from home to place of education and back Mon-Fri only before 9pm, no exceptions.




    If they allow it, here is the form.
    http://www.tfgm.com/Corporate/Docum...lConcessions/Scholars-Concess-permit-form.pdf
     
  9. Rail Ranger

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    Forget the Scholar's Permit. It is only for travel from home to a school or college (not University).
     
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    Only a tiny number of under 16s get into an adult university each year. It may be possible to bend the normal ticketing rules for the OP. It is also the sort of story local media love if OP is so inclined.
     
  11. RubyOnRails

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    Youngest in Manchester as far as I know (I go Salford, Manchester and Man. Met both don't take Under 16's).

    I'll have to check with TFGM.
     
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    Your personal tutor should have told you that you are entitled free escorted travel from your home to the University building where you would meet up with your supervisor at University.

    Your LEA should also provide you with free travel.

    It is not expected that a child of just 15 to wander around an urban campus without supervision. There are masses of child protection issues not being met.

    When your needs were being assessed your parents/guardian should have been told all this and the extra costs met by the LEA/Uni/DSA.

    Although somethings change in September/October when you are 16 you have been seriously let down so far.
     
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    Assuming Salford Uni is the same as the universities I am familiar with (two semesters per academic year), I assume the next semester starts at the end of Sep, making your 16th birthday in November 2015 ish?

    If so, I believe you should be eligible for a normal 11-16 iGo until Aug 2016.

    Or do your semesters run differently?
     
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    >Your personal tutor should have told you that you are entitled free escorted travel from your home to the University building where you would meet up with your supervisor at University.

    I don't have a supervisor at University. I go just like any other student.

    >It is not expected that a child of just 15 to wander around an urban campus without supervision. There are masses of child protection issues not being met.

    Everything has been sorted out between my local Social Services and the University and it's been fine for the first year.

    LEA won't give me anything purely because I'm not at a state school and I live 5 minutes away from another school so to get "free travel" I'd have to go there.
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    I am! And I do have one until August '16.

    However I didn't realise they can't be used for trains until some really rude northern rail person told me that it's not valid on the railway when I had to get a replacement photocard for my season ticket and looked at me like I was stupid or something :/
     
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    When I was at university, I had a personal tutor with whom I could discuss non-subject issues, similar to a form tutor at school. I'm sure there is someone nominated for you to act in such a role, especially considering your age.
     
  16. RubyOnRails

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    I have someone who specifically checks on my because of my age but if I ask them for something it usually ends up in some bureaucratic game of bullsh*t tennis between him and my local council trying to find a way to sort it and in the end I have to sort it out myself. Sort of like in this case.

    I think I'll give TFGM a ring tomorrow and let you all know how I get on! Thanks for your support so far! :wub:
     
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    I'm finding this thread really uplifting!

    So often we read on the 'Disputes' board about people who have 'chanced it' with tickets for a different age group and got caught out then belatedly seeing the light and confessing to having done 'something really stupid'.

    Ruby - well done on your achievements so far, and for being so determined to make sure you do the right thing in your travel arrangements.

    Good luck for the future!:D
     
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    Thank you :)

    I have lurked here for a while after I had some issue with my child travelcard (to be honest don't blame the staff at the station for being extra careful!) and read about what happens if they catch you without a ticket. Doesn't look pleasant!

    I've not considered a scholar permit so I'm definitely going to check that out but I think I'll probably end up dividing my train and tram ticket if I get one anyway - I like having the option of free travel to town with my ticket at weekends and when I'm not in Uni :)
     
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    It is certainly not OK for a child under 16 to be allowed to wander around a urban campus and provision has to be inplace for you and it seems grossly unfair on you that you are being denied this. At Salford you must have a "Student Life Officer" in line with their policy.

    This link outlines what should be inplace for you now.

    If social services are involved and it is deemed that this education path is the most appropriate then the conditions of free travel are met.

    Extra funding via DSA might also be available as the D part is very flexible.
     
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    Can anyone confirm this, please?

    I understand that in west yorks a blue M-card _can_ be used to get a child rail only season (in county only).
     
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    Greater Manchester does not generally provide any discounted travel for over 16s on rail. West Yorkshire does.
     
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    I think you mean 'over 15'.

    Thanks
     
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    Well, I was meaning from when they hit 16 - I read over 15 as meaning after the 15th birthday.
     
  24. 34D

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    Yes fair enough. Over 15 yrs 11 months then
     
  25. TUC

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    Surely no different to 15 year olds walking around town, which they almost all do every day of the week.
     
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