Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

[Domh245]

I can't see that there much more PRM - y than the EMR home sets, to be honest, and certainly less so than the LNER sets. Sorry I haven't got any Standard photos but, to avoid any debate, I never take interior photos where an identifiable person would be included.

The short sets have 32 points of non-compliance that they've been granted derogation for, the other current sets have 36. By comparison, the ex-LNER sets have 23/24 depending on the ROSCO! The details are available here.

 

[Rob F]

I can't see that there much more PRM - y than the EMR home sets, to be honest, and certainly less so than the LNER sets. Sorry I haven't got any Standard photos but, to avoid any debate, I never take interior photos where an identifiable person would be included.

Do you never take photos in any public place then?

 

[Merle Haggard]

Do you never take photos in any public place then?

I have experienced aggression from people who think that they will be in my photograph, and seen it happen to others.
An extreme example was this. I was watching an engine attachment for a 'drag' (on a booked diversion due to engineering work); I was interested in how the adapter coupling worked. Someone with a big SLR camera walked up to me and told me that I was in his way, and move! (as some photographers do) because he wanted to photograph. I did so, and he started taking pictures. The loco attachment involved the shunter, who was of stocky and very muscular build, using a 3' long pair of Stlisons on the adapter. When the shunter noticed the photographer, he walked aggressively towards the photographer, threatened him with the Stilsons, and shouted 'I don't photograph you at work, so (expletives).' (must admit, did feel karma...).
Another serious issue is if it looks like children will be in your photo - for instance, there was an incident when a headmaster called the police after noticing someone, just interested in buses, taking photos. of the old buses used on the schools contracts outside his school. Similar circumstances to the latter could inadvertently apply if there was a school trip by rail.
And there's the 'invasion of privacy' claim, and railway 'security' staff taking offence at a miniature camera in my jacket pocket (Wigan NW).
Be wary!

 

[WesternLancer]

Can I still be puzzled? ('The more I find out, the less I know' - not just a pop song but philosophy!)
With the low cost of digital photos, I now take a lot - perhaps making up for steam days, when I regret taking so few because of cost.
Anyway, here's some interiors of the ex GC sets.

First, a TRFB. It's ex Great Western, and undoubtedly has lift up armrests but of course no lavatory.

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Next, the TFO, re-trimmed but otherwise in GC condition (they were converted from loco-hauled). I can't be certain, but those armrests don't look like they lift up - looks like they would jam in the seat side if they did.

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And here's the lavatory in the TFO.

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I can't see that there much more PRM - y than the EMR home sets, to be honest, and certainly less so than the LNER sets. Sorry I haven't got any Standard photos but, to avoid any debate, I never take interior photos where an identifiable person would be included.

Yes the TFO armrests don't lift up - look carefully and you can see it's a new padded top section on the old fixed armrest Mk3 seat.

 

[WesternLancer]

The current EMR HST’s have seats with fixed armrests. The LNER ones have seats with fold up armrests. I believe that is the thing that makes them more PRM compliant.

Thanks - interesting point

 

[43096]

Yes the TFO armrests don't lift up - look carefully and you can see it's a new padded top section on the old fixed armrest Mk3 seat.

It’s TF on an HST, not TFO, and FO is the loco hauled equivalent.

 

[WesternLancer]

It’s TF on an HST, not TFO, and FO is the loco hauled equivalent.

Yes, thanks, good point - of course I simply quoted Merle H's post with the useful pics for ease of ref.

But the ex GC sest are more specious in standard - both as coach D is a former 1st class class re-upholstered in EMT stand class red fabric, and I think the other std class coaches had their seats spaced out to improve window alignment etc - IIRC this was one of Grand Central's USPs when they 1st launched their services with HSTs - that they had in Std more tables for 4, better window alignment and more leg room.

 

[The Joker]

Have the EMR HST sets with the original layout been replaced by the LNER ones yet? If not has a date been set for this to happen? Also I have noticed that due to engineering work tomorrow there are no trains running south of Leicester - so are there HST sets running between Nottingham and Leicester? Is the engineering work on next weekend as well?
Thanks to anyone who can provide any information

 

[_toommm_]

Have the EMR HST sets with the original layout been replaced by the LNER ones yet? If not has a date been set for this to happen? Also I have noticed that due to engineering work tomorrow there are no trains running south of Leicester - so are there HST sets running between Nottingham and Leicester? Is the engineering work on next weekend as well?
Thanks to anyone who can provide any information

End of the month IIRC for the red sets to be introduced; not sure if an end date for the EMT sets has been decided/made public yet.

 

[yorksrob]

I've booked my first ticket on one of the "red" sets. A HST is still better than not a HST.

 

[WesternLancer]

Have the EMR HST sets with the original layout been replaced by the LNER ones yet? If not has a date been set for this to happen? Also I have noticed that due to engineering work tomorrow there are no trains running south of Leicester - so are there HST sets running between Nottingham and Leicester? Is the engineering work on next weekend as well?
Thanks to anyone who can provide any information

often just use meridians in this scenario but not sure re this w/end

 

[swt_passenger]

End of the month IIRC for the red sets to be introduced; not sure if an end date for the EMT sets has been decided/made public yet.

The 9 x EMT sets are end dated 28 July 20 according to DfT’s table of dispensations, as reported in Modern Railways Feb issue.

 

[43055]

Have the EMR HST sets with the original layout been replaced by the LNER ones yet? If not has a date been set for this to happen? Also I have noticed that due to engineering work tomorrow there are no trains running south of Leicester - so are there HST sets running between Nottingham and Leicester? Is the engineering work on next weekend as well?
Thanks to anyone who can provide any information

Nothing has been replaced yet but there is talk about the replacement being before the end of the month. No HSTs are out tomorrow but 2 are planned on Sunday this week.

 

[raetiamann]

I'm hearing it may be the first week of March before the 'red Inter City' sets are in service.

 

[WesternLancer]

Have the EMR HST sets with the original layout been replaced by the LNER ones yet? If not has a date been set for this to happen? Also I have noticed that due to engineering work tomorrow there are no trains running south of Leicester - so are there HST sets running between Nottingham and Leicester? Is the engineering work on next weekend as well?
Thanks to anyone who can provide any information

the 10.12 Nottm to Leicester (approx timing) today sat, is an HST as Ms Lancer reports she is on it.

Suggests some HST diagrammes today

 

[DannyMich2018]

the 10.12 Nottm to Leicester (approx timing) today sat, is an HST as Ms Lancer reports she is on it.

Suggests some HST diagrammes today

The line is open next weekend as King's Cross is closed for the weekend I believe so they can't have two routes closed at the same time. According to National Rail services will run to and from St Pancras but will be amended/different presumably to allow for more passengers than usual using the route so may see more HST's?

 

[50039]

Overtime cut at work yesterday - positive is a chance to get out on Friday and have (maybe?) a final ride on an EMT VP185...

 

[66Yorks]

Plenty of EMR HST's stored at Gascoigne Wood the other day. Ready and waiting for action.

 

[43096]

Plenty of EMR HST's stored at Gascoigne Wood the other day. Ready and waiting for action.

Waiting for action, yes. Ready, highly debatable.

 

[duffield]

As a (slight) aside I was at Chesterfield yesterday at 11:30 and saw a pair of the buffered power cars run through (light engine, if that's still what you still call it with two power cars back-to-back).
Must have been this: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/94769/2020-02-22/detailed
Don't know if this is routine or for some special purpose.

 

[cactustwirly]

As a (slight) aside I was at Chesterfield yesterday at 11:30 and saw a pair of the buffered power cars run through (light engine, if that's still what you still call it with two power cars back-to-back).
Must have been this: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/94769/2020-02-22/detailed
Don't know if this is routine or for some special purpose.

It's routine ish, the powercars are allocated to Derby Etches park where they receive most of their maintenance, but the heavier stuff gets done at Leeds Neville Hill, this was a routine transfer between the two depots.

 

[Spirit555]

Two barrier vehicles moved from Long Marston to Gascoigne Wood, vehicles 6393 & 6394 on Monday 24th February. Supposedly in preparation of moving EMR HST's I believe.

Mark

 

[heedfan]

Two barrier vehicles moved from Long Marston to Gascoigne Wood, vehicles 6393 & 6394 on Monday 24th February. Supposedly in preparation of moving EMR HST's I believe.

Mark

Why would these moves need a barrier vehicle?

 

[Swimbar]

Why would these moves need a barrier vehicle?

Because a locomotive cannot connect direct to HST coaching stock without modifications.
So far no Power Cars have been sent for recycling only Coaching Stock.

 

[heedfan]

Because a locomotive cannot connect direct to HST coaching stock without modifications.
So far no Power Cars have been sent for recycling only Coaching Stock.

Ah ok, thank you. I was under the impression that some power cars were left with those sets. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[D365]

What's happening to the EMR Class 43s? Are they being split up from the coaching stock?

 

[43096]

Because a locomotive cannot connect direct to HST coaching stock without modifications.
So far no Power Cars have been sent for recycling only Coaching Stock.

The sets at Gascoigne Wood have power cars. The only exception is some spare trailers, so maybe to move those to Neville Hill?

 

[swt_passenger]

What's happening to the EMR Class 43s? Are they being split up from the coaching stock?

There seems to be an explanation in post #43. It’s about keeping power car and coach comms systems consistent with each other.

 

[Swimbar]

The sets at Gascoigne Wood have power cars. The only exception is some spare trailers, so maybe to move those to Neville Hill?

I wondered if the HST trailers from the current EMR sets would be moved to Gascoigne Wood for storage albeit possibly short term?

 

[D365]

There seems to be an explanation in post #43. It’s about keeping power car and coach comms systems consistent with each other.

Right, I'm not clear if this discussion is concerning the outgoing ex-EMT HSTs, or the incoming ex-LNER HSTs. Because I would have assumed that the existing EMT Class 43s are capable of moving the existing Mk3 rakes, once they have been withdrawn, like what the "red" Class 43s are doing with the ex-LNER fleet.