Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

[Domh245]

I didn't realise that Hitachi had already built them all?

The Hitachi stock isn't directly replacing the HSTs. They are being replaced by a combination of timetable recast to release more 222s, as well as the introduction of 360s, and 180s

In which case I wonder if we might see HSTs continuing in service on the MML until the 810s are introduced.

I don't think HSTs will last til the 810s arrive. They'll probably live past the end of the year but as soon as the 360s start to get released they'll be going.

 

[43 302]

I'm reasonably confident that the HSTs will continue into 2021 but I'm sure they will try their best to replace them as soon as possible; most likely a while before the 804s (or is it 810?) are built IMO. Still, fingers crossed they stay

 

[Swimbar]

Not this again. Please go and read up on EMR’s cascade plan - it’s been done several times already on here.

I have! It's full of statements all of which are dependent on other operators delivering promises that are made.
We all know that doesn't always happen!
Hitachi in 2022 might end up as the better option!

 

[43066]

The Hitachi stock isn't directly replacing the HSTs. They are being replaced by a combination of timetable recast to release more 222s, as well as the introduction of 360s, and 180s



I don't think HSTs will last til the 810s arrive. They'll probably live past the end of the year but as soon as the 360s start to get released they'll be going.

Definitely a case of “watch this space”.

The current crisis won’t help matters. No doubt AGA will experience (even) more delays to their new fleet introduction, so will need the 360s for longer.

EMR electrics will predominantly be driven by Kettering drivers, most of whom are “off the street” recruits being trained up ab initio, with training currently on hold/delayed. The depot has been built, and is ready to rock, but currently has no trains and no drivers...

It’s very hard to see how the 360 introduction won’t slip significantly.

 

[D365]

The official position remains that the Class 360s will be available for December. Whether this means that EMU “back-filling“ will be needed on Greater Anglia, or whether the derogation for the red HSTs could be extended, is not not clear.

 

[InTheEastMids]

There was a story in one of the magazines that EMR did some trials of short HSTs indicating that there was a scenario where a few lived on after the electrics started (perhaps allowing a few 222s to be doubled up in case of overcrowding). Can't see that the demand will be there for that now...

When was 180 training due to start / or needs to start to be ready for Dec 2020?

Feels quite easy to see how the big change slips back to May 2021

 

[43 302]

Can anyone tell me when and where NL65 was scrapped?

 

[43096]

Can anyone tell me when and where NL65 was scrapped?

It arrived at Sims, Newport on 23 January - with the exception of 42229 which I think is still at Tyne Yard(?).

 

[43 302]

It arrived at Sims, Newport on 23 January - with the exception of 42229 which I think is still at Tyne Yard(?).

Thank you.

 

[Aictos]

05:31 Sheffield to St Pancras is a ex LNER set today as passed it earlier, no idea what it does rest of day tho as I don't know the diagram info as 125Group is out of date with the diagrams.

The old EMT diagrams had this set doing the 17:19 St Pancras to Derby as the only other passenger working on the diagram however as the diagram is from RMT days I don't know if any changes have been made to it in EMR days.

 

[43055]

05:31 Sheffield to St Pancras is a ex LNER set today as passed it earlier, no idea what it does rest of day tho as I don't know the diagram info as 125Group is out of date with the diagrams.

The old EMT diagrams had this set doing the 17:19 St Pancras to Derby as the only other passenger working on the diagram however as the diagram is from RMT days I don't know if any changes have been made to it in EMR days.

Goes to Cricklewood and will be back out tomorrow evening on the Leeds service.

 

[Pippy1505]

Will now be working 1F63 1819 St.Pancras-Sheffield as the set needs depot attention for a fault.

 

[jaketaylor]

Is it still 43316+320? Is any other sets been accepted for traffic?

 

[43055]

Is it still 43316+320? Is any other sets been accepted for traffic?

Yes same set as Monday with 316+320

 

[43096]

Is it still 43316+320? Is any other sets been accepted for traffic?

No other sets are ready for traffic yet.

 

[43055]

More red out today:
Set NL04 now has red power cars 43238 and 43318 will form 1819 London to Sheffield
NL51 is also out will form 0834 London to Etches Part empty stock

 

[Stephen Lee]

Guys i wondered if they will remain until Class 810s rolled out?

 

[43055]

Guys i wondered if they will remain until Class 810s rolled out?

I'd very much doubt it. With the 4 180s and the 222s freed up from the Corby service they will have enough to cover the intercity services. The HSTs will most likely last into next year due to the 720s being late delaying the release of the 360s to take over the Corby service in December. This will have some effect on the changes proposed for the December timetable change (probably pushed back to May 2021).

 

[Stephen Lee]

I'd very much doubt it. With the 4 180s and the 222s freed up from the Corby service they will have enough to cover the intercity services. The HSTs will most likely last into next year due to the 720s being late delaying the release of the 360s to take over the Corby service in December. This will have some effect on the changes proposed for the December timetable change (probably pushed back to May 2021).

Well.......Wikipedia said the 810s are also subjected to replacement of HSTs.....

 

[Domh245]

Well.......Wikipedia said the 810s are also subjected to replacement of HSTs.....

Does it? Still, Wikipedia is hardly known for it's accuracy.

 

[JonathanH]

The HSTs will most likely last into next year due to the 720s being late delaying the release of the 360s to take over the Corby service in December.

I can't see why at least a handful of 360s shouldn't be available relatively soon even without 720s. All of the 745s have now arrived and it would appear that GA could fairly easily take on 321901-3/322481-5 if they had to. Moreover, commuting demand is likely to be lower for some time.

 

[Domh245]

it would appear that GA could fairly easily take on 321901-3/322481-5 if they had to

There's very much an argument for them taking those units on to enable them to get rid of more of their non-compliant 321s, regardless of the 360 cascades!

 

[D365]

It looks like 321901/902 have/will be transferred to Ilford in any case, 903 ought to follow but no news about the 322s.

If it wasn't for PRM I imagine GA could have taken back the ex-Overground 317s to cover for the 720 delays... This is getting into speculative territory, but I imagine it will be a combination of the Class 321s/322s at Greater Anglia, and a stay of reprieve for the "red HSTs", to cover for the Class 720 delays and perhaps allow a few 360s to be released for refurbishment/crew training.

 

[Domh245]

perhaps allow a few 360s to be released for refurbishment/crew training.

All reports seem to suggest that they'll be pressed into service as is to start, with refurbishment and 110mph upgrade to follow

 

[Murray J]

Not necessarily related to the LNER sets but 5 HST sets were out today, operating 15 services in total. I've also been told the angel ex GC sets will be out tomorrow, but no source was given.

 

[43055]

Not necessarily related to the LNER sets but 5 HST sets were out today, operating 15 services in total. I've also been told the angel ex GC sets will be out tomorrow, but no source was given.

These diagrams where posted on the UK hst enthusist group facebook a few days ago. Shows 1 short and 4 long sets.:

2+6
1C98 07.31 DBY STP
1D21 10.05 STP NOT
5C52 12+16 NOT SHF
1C52 14.00 SHF STP
5Z52 16+41 STP XCW
5Z72 19+55 XCW STP
1F72 20.31 STP DBY

2+8
5D13 07+15 XCW STP
1D13 08.34 STP NOT
1B33 10.45 NOT STP
1D38 13.34 STP NOT
1B58 15.45 NOT STP
1D64 18.34 STP NOT

2+8
1B16 07.11 NOT STP
1D18 09.34 STP NOT
1B38 11.45 NOT STP
1D43 14.34 STP NOT
1B63 16.45 NOT STP
1D66 19.04 STP LDS (via Notts)

2+8
1B23 06.34 LDS STP (via Notts)
1D23 10.34 STP NOT
1B43 12.45 NOT STP
1D48 15.34 STP NOT
1B69 17.45 NOT STP
1F70 20.01 STP LDS

2+8
1C15 05.19 LDS STP
5B16 09+21 STP XCW
5Z28 11+01 XCW STP
1D28 11.34 STP NOT
1B48 13.45 NOT STP
1D53 16.34 STP NOT
1B74 18.45 NOT STP
5B74 20+58 STP XCW (20+45 to XEP on Friday)

 

[cactustwirly]

These diagrams where posted on the UK hst enthusist group facebook a few days ago. Shows 1 short and 4 long sets.:

2+6
1C98 07.31 DBY STP
1D21 10.05 STP NOT
5C52 12+16 NOT SHF
1C52 14.00 SHF STP
5Z52 16+41 STP XCW
5Z72 19+55 XCW STP
1F72 20.31 STP DBY

2+8
5D13 07+15 XCW STP
1D13 08.34 STP NOT
1B33 10.45 NOT STP
1D38 13.34 STP NOT
1B58 15.45 NOT STP
1D64 18.34 STP NOT

2+8
1B16 07.11 NOT STP
1D18 09.34 STP NOT
1B38 11.45 NOT STP
1D43 14.34 STP NOT
1B63 16.45 NOT STP
1D66 19.04 STP LDS (via Notts)

2+8
1B23 06.34 LDS STP (via Notts)
1D23 10.34 STP NOT
1B43 12.45 NOT STP
1D48 15.34 STP NOT
1B69 17.45 NOT STP
1F70 20.01 STP LDS

2+8
1C15 05.19 LDS STP
5B16 09+21 STP XCW
5Z28 11+01 XCW STP
1D28 11.34 STP NOT
1B48 13.45 NOT STP
1D53 16.34 STP NOT
1B74 18.45 NOT STP
5B74 20+58 STP XCW (20+45 to XEP on Friday)

Is the 1234 STP-NOT/1445 NOT - STP a Meridian then?

 

[43055]

Is the 1234 STP-NOT/1445 NOT - STP a Meridian then?

If is not up there then I would assume so.

 

[CTS1990]

I don’t think this question has been asked before, but are the LNER sets timed for 125mph paths on the MML?

 

[43055]

I don’t think this question has been asked before, but are the LNER sets timed for 125mph paths on the MML?

They run the same as any other EMR HST on the mml. Pathed as 110 max but it doesn't mean it can't do 125 running.