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TransPennine Express Nova 1 (Class 802) Diagrams

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Wrong.. The 7 Middlesboro (Redcar) diagrams will eventually be 3x68/Mk5s and 4x pairs of 185s. The 7 Scarboro diagrams will all be 68/Mk5s.
Won’t TPE have 13 Mk5s in total? 7 for Scarbs & 5 for Redcar with 2 Class 185 turns?
 
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Won’t TPE have 13 Mk5s in total? 7 for Scarbs & 5 for Redcar with 2 Class 185 turns?
No. Initial plan was for 12 out of 13 sets to be in service, 6 on each circuit. Since then, problems with turnround times and arrangements increased the need to 7 diagrams on each route (from 6). Then lack of confidence in the reliability of the sets has seen the plan reduced to 11, then subsequently 10 sets out at any one time. The split is going to be 7 on the Scarboros and 3 on the Redcars.
 

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I’ll add that you’re unlikely to see a MK5a set on the Redcar service now until probably the December 2021 timetable change at the earliest
 

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FGW/GWR learned the turnaround lesson some time ago, local stoppers used to have a 10 min-ish turnround at Penzance. Now there's still a train back out pretty sharpish, but it's a different unit, the terminators having a leisurely turnround onto the next one out.
 

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FGW/GWR learned the turnaround lesson some time ago, local stoppers used to have a 10 min-ish turnround at Penzance. Now there's still a train back out pretty sharpish, but it's a different unit, the terminators having a leisurely turnround onto the next one out.
Stepping back, I saw that referred to once. Was in relation to the Northern Line at Morden where the next driver was waiting at the country end and got in the cab the moment the train stopped. I wonder how many pax were whisked away again!
 

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Is there any idea of the new diagrams after the new timetable comes into force
 

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Basically hourly departures from Liverpool Lime St to Newcastle Central will be 802 operated with the exception of the 06:54 to Scarborough which will be 68/Mk5 operated.

Similarly, all arrivals at Liverpool will be 802s except the Glasgow services and the 06:34 from Manchester Victoria (this is 68/Mk5 operated).

Comapared to the current timetable, there is a later service that departs Liverpool Lime St to Newcastle at 21:08 to and an arrival at 23:14 from Newcastle.

The 17:24 Liverpool - Newcastle service is being removed from the timetable altogether.
 

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Basically hourly departures from Liverpool Lime St to Newcastle Central will be 802 operated with the exception of the 06:54 to Scarborough which will be 68/Mk5 operated.

Similarly, all arrivals at Liverpool will be 802s except the Glasgow services and the 06:34 from Manchester Victoria (this is 68/Mk5 operated).

Comapared to the current timetable, there is a later service that departs Liverpool Lime St to Newcastle at 21:08 to and an arrival at 23:14 from Newcastle.

The 17:24 Liverpool - Newcastle service is being removed from the timetable altogether.

Does that represent more workings between Manchester and Leeds, fewer, or roughly the same?
 

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Does that represent more workings between Manchester and Leeds, fewer, or roughly the same?
It’s roughly the same, there or thereabouts with the exception of a peak hour service from Liverpool removed from the timetable. However, there will be more services between Manchester and Leeds with the reintroduction of some late night and early morning services.

Sunday’s will see a reduction between Manchester and Huddersfield due to the Hull service replacing the stopper.
 

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It’s roughly the same, there or thereabouts with the exception of a peak hour service from Liverpool removed from the timetable. However, there will be more services between Manchester and Leeds with the reintroduction of some late night and early morning services.

Sunday’s will see a reduction between Manchester and Huddersfield due to the Hull service replacing the stopper.

They’ve still got a 3.5hr gap between services from Leeds to Piccadilly, and a 2.5hr gap between services from Leeds to any Manchester Station.

They really need to reinstate the 05:45 or send the 06:00 round to Piccadilly and the Airport like they used to.
 

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They’ve still got a 3.5hr gap between services from Leeds to Piccadilly, and a 2.5hr gap between services from Leeds to any Manchester Station.

They really need to reinstate the 05:45 or send the 06:00 round to Piccadilly and the Airport like they used to.

There’s no requirement too at the moment as the number of passengers using said services is minimal. Although the airport has seen an increase of flights, there’s few flights at that time in the morning as more daytime slots are available, the bars, restaurants and entertainment facilities such as Cinemas and Theatres which are allowed to re-open can only do so until 10pm. The current night/morning services outweighs the demand that is both there currently and predicted.

Don’t forget that passenger demand for leisure travel drops after December as along with the bad weather reducing the number of weekend travellers, people have reduced finances after Christmas and are less likely to shop/eat out/take city breaks and then add on top of that that financial consequences of both coronavirus restrictions and the possible effects brexit. Some of the late evening services are running completely empty as it is, the last few trains from Hull beyond 8pm are only carrying single figure passenger numbers and are running completely empty between Hull and Leeds.

From memory if the 0600 is the Victoria train? This is a 3 car which couples up with another 3 car from the airport, forming a 6 car Redcar service and remains 6 car for the rest of the day.
 
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