TransPennine Express Nova 1 (Class 802) Diagrams

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I am NOT being sarcastic. TPEx have lost the plot and deserve the sort of media vilification that Northern get. They are beyond the pail.
 
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Nova 1s today (9 December)

802206
9E05, 9M07, 9E12, 9M14, 9E19

802218
9E06, 9M08, 9E13, 9M15, 9E20

802210
9M04, 9E09, 9M11, 9E16, 9M18

185148 vice
9M05, 9E10, 9M12, 9E17, 9M19
 
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How many sets from Monday? If four this week, should surely be 6 or 8 next week?
The full timetable between Liverpool and Edinburgh won’t be running as all the Nova 1s aren’t ready for service yet. A few services a day will be running from next week on this timetable which should all be Nova 1s though. Not sure about anything else at this stage.
 

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802219 currently on the 1709 York to Liverpool (9M14) being held here due to no guard. Apparently ETD is 1730.

Amusingly most folk have decided to ram themselves onto the 1723 Airport while the carriage in here is maybe 1/5 full.
 

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Will the 0919 ex. York be the first ECML Nova 1 service? Was just hoping to be on it tomorrow.

You mean the first TPE service to Edinburgh? RTT suggests that the empty stock comes from Doncaster Carr so there would seem to be a good chance that it is a 802.
 

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You mean the first TPE service to Edinburgh? RTT suggests that the empty stock comes from Doncaster Carr so there would seem to be a good chance that it is a 802.

Yeah that's what I mean, supposed to be just stops at Morpeth and Edinburgh after it hits Newcastle. If so it should be the first TPE up the East Coast north of Newcastle, and hopefully I can be on it :)
 

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Yeah that's what I mean, supposed to be just stops at Morpeth and Edinburgh after it hits Newcastle. If so it should be the first TPE up the East Coast north of Newcastle, and hopefully I can be on it :)

TPE has worked between Newcastle and Edinburgh before a few times, when the WCML route was closed for engineering work (185s of course).
But yes, the first regular service is today.
The first through ECML service from Liverpool left Lime St at 0812.
The first Liverpool-Glasgow (WCML) leaves at 1012.
 

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802219 is on 9S08 0812 Liverpool to Edinburgh today in grey livery

It reached Edinburgh 15 down at 1313 after being delayed in the north east.
The parallel first Liverpool-Glasgow reached its destination only a few minutes later at 1319, despite leaving Liverpool 2 hours later than the ECML service, at 1012.
I don't know if this was a Nova service or not.

The RTT listing also says the Liverpool-Edinburgh is pathed on diesel from Lime St, switching to electric at York.
Presumably in reality it would use electric to Manchester Victoria and switch to diesel there.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33813/2019-12-15/detailed
 

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I caught one today 15.41 Newton Le Willows to Liverpool[should have started at Edinburgh but started at Newcastle] which was delayed by 10 minutes, my thoughts, i sat in a bay of 2, great legroom, nice wide seats, but seats themselves felt rock hard not going to be great if traveling for more than 90 minutes, would have been nicer if they had more padding
 

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I've not had the pleasure of having a 802 yet but like the 397s they both do look amazing can't wait to have one for haulage.
 
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If this gives us any idea on what some of the current diagrams here, here are today’s Nova 1 allocations.

802208
9S06 0624 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M11 1133 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street
9S16 1624 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh

802211
1P13 0615 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
9M08 1006 Newcastle - Liverpool Lime Street
9S13 1324 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M18 1811 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street

802217
9M06 0806 Newcastle - Liverpool Lime Street
9S11 1124 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M16 1633 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street
9E21 2108 Liverpool Lime Street - Newcastle

802207
1P14 0641 Newcastle - Manchester Airport
1P21 1010 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
1P28 1343 Newcastle - Manchester Airport
1P35 1710 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
 

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If this gives us any idea on what some of the current diagrams here, here are today’s Nova 1 allocations.

802208
9S06 0624 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M11 1133 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street
9S16 1624 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh

802211
1P13 0615 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
9M08 1006 Newcastle - Liverpool Lime Street
9S13 1324 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M18 1811 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street

802217
9M06 0806 Newcastle - Liverpool Lime Street
9S11 1124 Liverpool Lime Street - Edinburgh
9M16 1633 Edinburgh - Liverpool Lime Street
9E21 2108 Liverpool Lime Street - Newcastle

802207
1P14 0641 Newcastle - Manchester Airport
1P21 1010 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
1P28 1343 Newcastle - Manchester Airport
1P35 1710 Manchester Airport - Newcastle
Any gen what turns are 802s and 397s on a Saturday or is it hit and miss as it has been cheers
 
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Nova 1 - 2 January

802218
1P10, 1P17, 1P24, 1P31, 1P38

802207
1P14, 1P21, 1P28, 1P35

802213
5M02, 9M02, 9S07, 9M12, 9S17, 9E22

802211 9M06 (starting Newcastle), 9S11, 9M16, 9E21

Other 3 diagrams are being covered by 185s, which means there are 7 booked Nova 1 diagrams.

*Subject to the usual issues.
 

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Nova 1 - 2 January

802218
1P10, 1P17, 1P24, 1P31, 1P38

802207
1P14, 1P21, 1P28, 1P35

802213
5M02, 9M02, 9S07, 9M12, 9S17, 9E22

802211 9M06 (starting Newcastle), 9S11, 9M16, 9E21

Other 3 diagrams are being covered by 185s, which means there are 7 booked Nova 1 diagrams.

*Subject to the usual issues.

So there are meant to be 7 booked diagrams but only 4 are operating? just clarifying. So when 7 are out we know we are getting near the plan.
 

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Just spotted one going over the chord from Piccadilly towards Victoria from my office window. Are the Airport-Newcastle services actually going to see more Nova 1s soon or will it take an age for them to come in to service?

Also, how many diagrams are required for Liverpool-Edinburgh and Manchester Airport-Newcastle?
 

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I think 802207 has failed enroute from Newcastle to Manchester and has been taken out of service at York.
 

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I think 802207 has failed enroute from Newcastle to Manchester and has been taken out of service at York.

No driver forward from Man Vic apparently, couldn't terminate there due to the turnback being occupied by a 319 (for 8 hours, who thought planning that was a good idea?), and there being no driver available to shunt elsewhere from Vic
 

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No driver forward from Man Vic apparently, couldn't terminate there due to the turnback being occupied by a 319 (for 8 hours, who thought planning that was a good idea?), and there being no driver available to shunt elsewhere from Vic

No wonder the railway is screwed. No driver at Man Vic so passengers are turfed off a Newcastle - Manchester at York and we’re presumably significantly delayed. So why didn’t the original driver just continue on beyond Vic? Or someone get the unit moved? No doubt someone will start screaming ‘route knowledge’ or ‘duty hours / rest’ or ‘rulebook’ but you know what: I worked for a UK airline for nine years and when the proverbial brown stuff really hit the fan most aircrew did what it took to get the punters where they needed to go, even if it meant having to fudge the figures a bit after the event.
 

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No wonder the railway is screwed. No driver at Man Vic so passengers are turfed off a Newcastle - Manchester at York and we’re presumably significantly delayed. So why didn’t the original driver just continue on beyond Vic? Or someone get the unit moved? No doubt someone will start screaming ‘route knowledge’ or ‘duty hours / rest’ or ‘rulebook’ but you know what: I worked for a UK airline for nine years and when the proverbial brown stuff really hit the fan most aircrew did what it took to get the punters where they needed to go, even if it meant having to fudge the figures a bit after the event.

It was a case of drivers hours, and fudging figures tends to end up with someone getting the sack these days, given the amount of monitoring done, fudging them isn't exactly easy either.
 

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No wonder the railway is screwed. No driver at Man Vic so passengers are turfed off a Newcastle - Manchester at York and we’re presumably significantly delayed. So why didn’t the original driver just continue on beyond Vic? Or someone get the unit moved? No doubt someone will start screaming ‘route knowledge’ or ‘duty hours / rest’ or ‘rulebook’ but you know what: I worked for a UK airline for nine years and when the proverbial brown stuff really hit the fan most aircrew did what it took to get the punters where they needed to go, even if it meant having to fudge the figures a bit after the event.
The crew may have been required to work another service, or perhaps they had finished their duty and just wanted to go home, which is their right.
 

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Also, how many diagrams are required for Liverpool-Edinburgh and Manchester Airport-Newcastle?

Even with full introduction it looked (from RTT) as if there was one 185 diagram retained on Manchester Airport to Newcastle so the answer is 16 - 10 diagrams on Liverpool to Edinburgh and 6 on Manchester Airport to Newcastle. 2 start at Craigentinny, 7 at Heaton, 4 at Edge Hill, 2 at Doncaster Carr and 1 at York.

It will clearly be a few months before they run all of this.

Liverpool to Edinburgh diagrams

5S05 04+50 Edge Hill Depot to Liverpool Lime Street
9S05 0520 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M10 1021 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S15 1524 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9P20 2030 Edinburgh to Manchester Airport
5P20 01+00 Manchester Airport to Edge Hill Depot

5S06 05+35 Edge Hill Depot to Liverpool Lime Street
9S06 0624 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M11 1133 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S16 1624 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
5S16 21+29 Edinburgh to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D

5M02 04+05 Edge Hill Depot to Stalybridge
9M02 0600 Stalybridge to Liverpool Lime Street
9S07 0724 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M12 1233 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S17 1724 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9E22 2214 Edinburgh to Newcastle
5E22 01+06 Newcastle to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

5M03 04+43 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
9M03 0506 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street
9S08 0824 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M13 1319 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S18 1825 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
5S18 23+15 Edinburgh to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D

5M04 05+40 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
9M04 0606 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street
9S09 0924 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M14 1433 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9E19 1925 Liverpool Lime Street to Newcastle
5E19 22+30 Newcastle to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

5M05 04+48 Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D to Edinburgh
9M05 0514 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S10 1024 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M15 1533 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9E20 2024 Liverpool Lime Street to Newcastle

5M06 05+48 Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D to Edinburgh
9M06 0627 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S11 1124 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M16 1633 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9E21 2108 Liverpool Lime Street to Newcastle
5E22 01+06 Newcastle to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

5M07 08+42 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
9M07 0906 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street
9S12 1224 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M17 1733 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
1E57 2308 Liverpool Lime Street to York
5E57 01+32 York to York Siemens Trans Systems

5P13 04+29 Edge Hill Depot to Manchester Airport
1P13 0615 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
9M08 1006 Newcastle to Liverpool Lime Street
9S13 1324 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M18 1811 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
5M18 23+47 Liverpool Lime Street to Edge Hill Depot

5P04 23+49 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
1P04 0008 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
9S04 0422 Manchester Airport to Edinburgh
9M09 0933 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
9S14 1424 Liverpool Lime Street to Edinburgh
9M19 1930 Edinburgh to Liverpool Lime Street
5M19 00+20 Liverpool Lime Street to Edge Hill Depot

Manchester Airport to Newcastle diagrams

5S02 04+54 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
9S02 0553 Newcastle to Edinburgh
9P20 0811 Edinburgh to Manchester Airport
1P27 1310 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P34 1643 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P41 2010 Manchester Airport to York
5P42 22+15 York to Doncaster Carr Iep Depot

5P08 03+30 Doncaster Carr Iep Depot to York
1P08 0427 York to Manchester Airport
1P15 0710 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P22 1047 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P29 1410 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P36 1743 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P93 2135 Manchester Airport to York
5P93 23+49 York to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

5P08 03+30 Doncaster Carr Iep Depot to York
5P10 04+19 York to York
1P10 0549 York to Manchester Airport
1P17 0810 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P24 1143 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P31 1510 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P38 1843 Newcastle to Manchester Victoria
5P38 21+14 Manchester Victoria to Edge Hill Depot

5P12 06+38 York Siemens Trans Systems to York
1P12 0649 York to Manchester Airport
1P19 0910 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P26 1245 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P33 1610 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
5P33 19+20 Newcastle to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

5P14 06+15 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
1P14 0641 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P21 1010 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P28 1343 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P35 1710 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
5P42 20+47 Newcastle to Doncaster Carr Iep Depot

5P16 07+23 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Newcastle
1P16 0743 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P23 1110 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P30 1447 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P37 1810 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
5P37 21+31 Newcastle to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.

The following two diagrams have to be 185s and swap at Manchester Airport

5P06 02+15 York Siemens Trans Systems to York
1P06 0306 York to Manchester Airport
1P11 0519 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P18 0843 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1P25 1210 Manchester Airport to Newcastle
1P32 1543 Newcastle to Manchester Airport
1B90 1853 Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes

2F81 0559 Cleethorpes to Barton-on-Humber
2F82 0658 Barton-on-Humber to Cleethorpes
1B71 0826 Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport
1B76 1153 Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes
1B85 1526 Cleethorpes to Manchester Airport
1P39 1910 Manchester Airport to Scarborough
1T86 2215 Scarborough to York
5T86 23+16 York to York Siemens Trans Systems
 
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