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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

Halish Railway

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Those steel sections look more like 'king posts' to me - I'm sure they'll be used for stabilising the formation. Most OLE steelwork masts tend to have a base welded on the bottom for bolting to the foundations (piled or concrete).
That makes sense, I did expect there to be lattice steelwork or another ridged design of OHLE steelwork to be present at the compound, presumably these will arrive when the king posts are installed.

I’d also assume that what is currently in the Ulleskelf compound is the same as what I saw at Colton today.
 
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The ‘H’ section steelwork looks like it’s going to be piled upright posts for the lengths of Armco barriers that can be seen. It doesn’t look like there are any masts in those photos.
 

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1st 2 mast are up, located just outside the compound on Braegate Lane on the West side of the line, one is a ladder truss made up of back to back PFCs with plates welded between, the other has brackets fixed which I take to be for the drum like tensioning devices.
 

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Alarming? Yes? Shocking? Yes Surprising? Well hardly. The 'rail industry' needs still to get its act together to overcome its optimism bias, showing competence and thereby building confidence. THe GW electrification was a predictable and predicted fiasco, albeit brought on by a lack of rolling programme and associated expertise, a rush to get started without site investigations etc,learning lessons 'on the job' as alluded to by the other NCE article to which this one links. Can you blame the government for reviewing important and expensive projects- eg Crossrail, Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport, Heathrow Runway 3, HS2xyz ...
 

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The DfT promised, from memory, £2.7 billion for TP route upgrade.
That is being called off in chunks, and the £589m for the current works mentioned is the first phase of that profile.
Undoubtedly NR and DfT will tussle over the costs of later phases of the scheme, but the money is still "there".
The question is whether it will be consumed by necessary track/signalling/realignment works rather than OHLE (or robbed for other NR projects).
I doubt that will be answered quickly, until the current phases are seen to be being delivered efficiently by NR.

The NCE piece is also linked to another one on GW electrification, which says that it cost £5.5 billion, twice the previous figure and far beyond the original budget.
‘Onus on industry’ to prove costly rail electrification mistakes are in the past - New Civil Engineer
There is this morsel on the lessons learned from the GW scheme:
The report adds that the “world-class system approach to electrification” developed by the Great Western team will be used on future projects, including power supply that incorporates substantial redundancy, highly reliable components, and safe isolation for maintenance.
One just hopes that this approach doesn't include the gross over-engineering we saw on the GW project.
On the plus side, the political momentum for a full TP scheme seems unstoppable, but the Treasury will have limits to its generosity.
 

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You can't blame the government for appropriate oversight of projects, but you can blame them for creating a situation where the supply chain has no idea what the long term plan for infrastructure investment is.

Electrification is such an obvious investment priority. The government should have been aware of the lack of experience in the industry - stark starring obvious given the length of time since the last major electrification schemes in the early 1990s. They should have started with smaller projects, developed the expertise, then rolled out. Instead they went for a massive project from the off. NR shares the blame as well. They should have been realistic with the government about their capabilities.

Here's the thing though. We see major cost blow-outs on road projects all the time. Does the government pause all road schemes "until the industry can prove it has learned from its mistakes"? Of course not. It keeps on going because the government has an ideological commitment to building roads. Ultimately rail lacks a high-level champion in government to keep things going, resulting in a stop-go approach which in turn exacerbates the problem.
 

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Is it alarming? The first chunk of funding for the scope of the project, the plans and details. The next chunk of funding will presumably enable some of the work. Just because it's not already been announced doesn't mean it's not happening. There's plenty of work going on at TOCs on TRU so its not dead in the water.
 

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1st 2 mast are up, located just outside the compound on Braegate Lane on the West side of the line, one is a ladder truss made up of back to back PFCs with plates welded between, the other has brackets fixed which I take to be for the drum like tensioning devices.
Is this where you're on about? https://flic.kr/p/2kCJUm5
If so, the "ladder truss with back to back PFCs" is 1 of 2 legs for a 4-track portal boom, which will bear stovepipe cantilevers for an overlap. The one with brackets (and its twin further north) is also a leg for a portal boom; both of those portals will be the 'beloved' Series 1 Mono-Boom Anchors.
(Clearly the designer elected to use those here)
 

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For anyone interested, BAM are currently clearing this site on grimshaw lane, near the miles platting compound, heard for plans to store/build the parts for electrification. not sure how long it will take to prepare land, no other info, anyone else know anything give us the heads up.
 

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For anyone interested, BAM are currently clearing this site on grimshaw lane, near the miles platting compound, heard for plans to store/build the parts for electrification. not sure how long it will take to prepare land, no other info, anyone else know anything give us the heads up.

I think that this is the site of the Mather and Platt works siding.

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Is this where you're on about? https://flic.kr/p/2kCJUm5
If so, the "ladder truss with back to back PFCs" is 1 of 2 legs for a 4-track portal boom, which will bear stovepipe cantilevers for an overlap. The one with brackets (and its twin further north) is also a leg for a portal boom; both of those portals will be the 'beloved' Series 1 Mono-Boom Anchors.
(Clearly the designer elected to use those here)
Yep, that's them. There are 3 up now, that makes one installed on Wednesday night. They will have to up the pace if they are to get to Ulleskelf in 13 days
 

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Yep, that's them. There are 3 up now, that makes one installed on Wednesday night. They will have to up the pace if they are to get to Ulleskelf in 13 days
To be a bit pedantic, the dates that we are going off are for February only, hence why they show work on installing the structures ending at the end of February - Is there anything to suggest that work won’t continue into March?
 

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Ulleskelf on the 18th February - the before picture. The gantries and catenary are going to spoil the view from this point.
 

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Ulleskelf on the 18th February - the before picture. The gantries and catenary are going to spoil the view from this point.
Billio, taking suggestions from other contributors, do you mean enhance the view??
 

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For anyone interested, BAM are currently clearing this site on grimshaw lane, near the miles platting compound, heard for plans to store/build the parts for electrification. not sure how long it will take to prepare land, no other info, anyone else know anything give us the heads up.
Interesting! So are they going ahead to Stalybridge without bothering to sort out the track layout?
 

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Billio, taking suggestions from other contributors, do you mean enhance the view??
No I really mean it will spoil the view. It will be good to have the line electrified, but in my view the unencumbered sweep of those four tracks stretching into the distance is quite something.
 
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Interesting! So are they going ahead to Stalybridge without bothering to sort out the track layout?
With the big closure coming up between Vic and Miles Platting in a few months, they'll be needing to do a lot of works to the tracks, and bridges underneath the tracks, and I would have thought they'll need working space for that before they get round to electrification.

Or have they got other compounds for civils already?
 

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There was already a storage area for OHLE works further towards Victoria just before the the line drops down the bank so Grimshaw Lane must be in additional one, all good news though! In regards to wires to Stalybridge from past posting designs showed that even when the rest of the junction was totally dug up trains could still run into the bay and this could be wired and left separately from all the other works.
 

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1st 2 mast are up, located just outside the compound on Braegate Lane on the West side of the line, one is a ladder truss made up of back to back PFCs with plates welded between, the other has brackets fixed which I take to be for the drum like tensioning devices.

Yep, that's them. There are 3 up now, that makes one installed on Wednesday night. They will have to up the pace if they are to get to Ulleskelf in 13 days
Not the best quality images given that they are taken from the rear cab of an 802 at 90mph with an ageing iPad but to give you an idea of where we are at, mast count is up to 6, could be more I might have missed count trying to take pictures!
 

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Your 3rd shot with the digger in the bushes on the right is at Bolton Percy yard
Why has the RRAP been installed 30 metres from the access gate?
There is no gate where the RRAP is.

The gate in view is a recent installation (last 10 years) as the previous gate could not be used by machines due to the gateway being blocked by the signal.
 

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Your 3rd shot with the digger in the bushes on the right is at Bolton Percy yard
Why has the RRAP been installed 30 metres from the access gate?
There is no gate where the RRAP is.

The gate in view is a recent installation (last 10 years) as the previous gate could not be used by machines due to the gateway being blocked by the signal.
Perhaps the mast that will be attached to the pile in the right foreground was considered to be too vulnerable to impact by the RRV while it is being on or off-tracked if the RRAP was closer to the camera? They probably need to put a new gate in on the other side of the signal (the previous position?).
 

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Interesting! So are they going ahead to Stalybridge without bothering to sort out the track layout?
If the BAM compound is for electrification components and with the Miles Platting curve easing being done soon, then it may prove to be a similar (but unpublicised) scheme to the Colton Jn - Church Fenton work.

In conjunction with the new curve, the OLE might well be installed as part of the "work package". It would only be short and for the immediate area but could extend the wires from their Bromley Street termination to the end of the straight over Briscoe Lane. This would allow an electric start from Victoria, ascent of the bank, taking the new curve at its higher speed and convenient pan up/down along the 1km straight after the junction. Not quite to Leeds but probably affordable within the main contract. The new compound would be very useful in the future.

Watching.

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