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The suggestion of extending Huddersfield to Castleford through to York often comes up, though it's somewhat off topic for the TP Upgrade.No, though in theory a direct service would be possible.
The suggestion of extending Huddersfield to Castleford through to York often comes up, though it's somewhat off topic for the TP Upgrade.No, though in theory a direct service would be possible.
And there is even a thread for this: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/my-idea-extend-huddersfield-castleford-services-to-york.201225/No, though in theory a direct service would be possible.
TRANS-PENNINE ROUTE UPGRADE PROJECT MOVING TO NEXT PHASE
19 Mar 2021 North West Property
David Hoggarth
The latest phase of engineering work as part of the Trans-Pennine Route Upgrade is set to start in April.
Network Rail has confirmed that initial work to electrify the line will begin in Manchester, with the reconstruction of a rail embankment in Miles Platting already underway.
The next step will involve piling between Collyhurst and Miles Platting to install steel pipes that will eventually support posts and overhead electric wires between Manchester and Stalybridge.
Transport for the North has been an ardent supporter of the project to significantly overhaul the 76-mile railway from Manchester to York via Huddersfield and Leeds.
Strategic rail director David Hoggarth said: "Upgrading the existing Trans-Pennine route has long been seen as a key building block in delivering a better rail network for the North.
"It's finally underway after years in the planning and, once delivered, it'll speed up journeys, increase reliability and connect communities along the line much better than today."
However, the full extent of the project is not yet confirmed and is expected to be included in the government's upcoming Integrated Rail Plan.
Transport for the North has made the case for electrification of the full line to help cut carbon emissions, as well as providing additional track capacity to relieve bottlenecks, improve stations to make them more accessible, and facilitate a shift of growing east-west freight flows from congested roads to rail.
Well there might be a case for Huddersfield-Wakefield K-Normanton-Castleford-Church Fenton-York electric service perhaps with one stop in Wakefield for fast trains as the current route via Leeds seems to attract more stopping stations (eg White Rose and East Leeds/Thorpe Park), which can only further congest/slow down the service.The suggestion of extending Huddersfield to Castleford through to York often comes up, though it's somewhat off topic for the TP Upgrade.
I somehow doubt the 333's will still be around by the time this gets done. 331's will probably be past it by then too
Our Proposals
Our proposals to improve the railway between Huddersfield and Westtown (Dewsbury) include:
- Double the number of tracks from two to four along the majority of the railway.
- Upgrading stations at Huddersfield, Deighton, Mirfield and providing a new station at Ravensthorpe.
- Separating sections of the track from each other with a bridge (fly-over) at Ravensthorpe.
- Electrification of the railway from Huddersfield to Ravensthorpe – and right through to Leeds.
The Benefits
With 85% of respondents who fed back through our first round of consultation supporting the scheme, we understand how important it is to passengers and the community that we deliver the benefits of the upgrade.
Amazing news! That is a statement of intent of ever I saw one.Big News - the TWAO for Huddersfield - Ravensthorpe has been submitted. Not an April Fool either! https://www.networkrail.co.uk/runni...te-upgrade/huddersfield-to-westtown-dewsbury/
1. The cost of implementing the works sought to be authorised through the proposed Network Rail (Huddersfield to Westtown (Dewsbury) Improvements) Order (“the Order”), including the costs of acquiring land which is, or may be, blighted land within the meaning of section 149 of the Town and Country Planning Act, and undertaking associated work such asenvironmental mitigation as necessary, will be met from the funding envelopes identified for the Huddersfield to Westtown Transpennine Route Upgrade W3 Project (“the TRU W3 Project”).
2. The Government has confirmed its funding commitment for Network Rail todevelop and deliver the overall Transpennine Route Upgrade (“TRU”), including the TRU W3 Project, through its published Rail Network Enhancements Pipeline (“RNEP”) (Autumn 2019 Schemes Update) published in October 2019. Schemes within the RNEP progress through decision gateways to secure funding and the Autumn 2019 update to the RNEP confirms TRU, including the TRU W3 Project, have secured a Decision to Design. This Autumn 2019 update to the RNEP was an update on the Government’s publication in March 2018 of the RNEP which at paragraph 4.7 confirmed Government committing £3bn to the development of the TRU Programme. In April 2020 the Department for Transport and Network Rail approved a further £589m of funding to progress design and early works for projects on TRU including the TRU W3 Project and to complete a detailed design scope for the TRU investment programme.
3. TRU and the TRU W3 Project will span three railway investment periods: Control Period 6 (2019 to 2024), Control Period 7 (2024 to 2029) and Control Period 8 (2029 to 2034). The cost of implementing the TRU W3 Project works to be authorised by this Order is £1,458,929,838. These costs are estimated to comprise £479m in Control Period 6, £945,929,838 in Control Period 7, and £34m in Control Period 8. In addition to the funds already available to Network Rail in Control Period 6 to progress the TRU W3 Project further funding will be made available for the delivery of the TRU W3 Project from the identified funding allocation for TRU in accordance with the RNEP governance process. This provision will be sufficient to deliver the TRU W3 Project as part of TRU, provided it has the required consents and continues to represent value for money.
4. The Department for Transport has confirmed the Government’s commitment to TRU and the TRU W3 Project along with the allocation of funding subject to ongoing consideration to ensure the project delivers the best results for both rail users and taxpayers (see Annex 1).
Among the documents that are part of the application is a statement on the funding position:
So Hudds to Westtown alone is expected to cost nearly £1.5bn and still be spending money at the beginning of CP7.
Wasn't the application for the Order only submitted yesterday?The timescales are not a suprise. TWAO not yet approved. Not even close to having shovels in ground. And it's a huge job. Id say we are at least a year away from any major start on site? Then 2-3 years to construct which will have to be done in stages.
Yes. The poster above, the tone of what I read suggested they were surprised they would still be spending money in CP7, I was just trying to say it wasn't a surprise.Wasn't the application for the Order only submitted yesterday?
Ah I see thank you. I hadn't detected a sense that snowball thought that the work was too expensive or too slow.Yes. The poster above, the tone of what I read suggested they were surprised they would still be spending money in CP7, I was just trying to say it wasn't a surprise.
I could be wrong it's online afterall! Still great news all round. I honestly don't think the TWAO would be submitted if they didn't think it would be approved in this current PACE climate.Ah I see thank you. I hadn't detected a sense that snowball thought that the work was too expensive or too slow.
Sorry! My bad.#3887 was intended to be purely informative and totally neutral in tone.
In previous posts I and others have been confused about the various sums of money that have been quoted, what exactly they do and don't cover, what works have guaranteed funding and what don't. We now know a bit more.
It was my mistake to say CP7 when I meant CP8 - and I didn't notice it until after I'd written the first version of #3893. I then edited #3893 (and #3887) but you may have already been replying.Sorry! My bad.
That makes more sense thank you. I agree and I also thought it was interesting to see the planned spend trailing off, presumably after most work is complete, in 2029 and beyond.When I said "still spending money at the beginning of CP7" I meant "still spending money at the beginning of CP8", which may merit a bit of surprise.
Not to mention the acquisition of land to iron out the curve at Heaton Lodge Jn, although that won’t constitute a significant part of the £1.5 billion budget seeing as it is only farmland.I agree it is eye watering but it is not just electrification. 4 tracking and other stuff in the works - step free access etc. I actually on balance prefer the breaking the project up into stages and bits approach.
Yes my mistake, I’ve sorted it now.Heaton Norris?
The timescales are not a suprise. TWAO not yet approved. Not even close to having shovels in ground. And it's a huge job. Id say we are at least a year away from any major start on site? Then 2-3 years to construct which will have to be done in stages.
Don't forget they submitted a TWAO for Castlefield. It wasn't approved because Grayling deemed it to be too expensive. £1.5bn just for Huddersfield to just past Dewsbury is an eyewatering sum of money. Does Bald Rick think it, Stalybridge-Huddersfield electrification and the full NPR network will all be open before 2045? Have to say I'm not convinced in the post Covid world