Transport For Wales Livery

[geoffk]

Not a bad livery to be fair, although not exactly inspiring, though. Looks better than the ATW colours.

Will get to see one in Manchester before long. Why do we have to have so many liveries which are predominantly white? Surely keeping them clean will be a thankless task.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Amendments made.

If you find out of any more alterations, refurbishments or repaints to the TFW fleet, please feel free to list them on the thread here.



142002 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142006 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142010 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142069 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142072 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142073 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142074 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142075 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142076 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142077 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142080 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142081 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142082 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142083 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142085 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

143601 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143602 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143604 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143605 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143606 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143607 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143608 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143609 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143610 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143614 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143616 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143622 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143623 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143624 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143625 Temporary TFW Branding
150208 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150213 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150217 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150227 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150229 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150230 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150231 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150235 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150236 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150237 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150240 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150241 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150242 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150245 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150250 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150251 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150252 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150253 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150254 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150255 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150256 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150257 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150258 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150259 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150260 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150262 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150264 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150267 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150278 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150279 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150280 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150281 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150282 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150283 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150284 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150285 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise

153303 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153312 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153320 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
153323 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
153327 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153353 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153362 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153367 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

158818 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158819 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158820 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158821 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158822 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158823 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158824 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158825 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158826 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158827 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158828 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158829 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158830 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158831 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158832 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158833 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158834 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158835 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158836 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158837 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158838 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158839 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158840 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158841 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
175001 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175002 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175003 Transport For Wales Livery
175004 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175005 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175006 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175007 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175008 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175009 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175010 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175011 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175101 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175102 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175103 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175104 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175105 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175106 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175107 Transport For Wales Livery
175108 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175109 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175110 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175111 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175112 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175113 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175114 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175115 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175116 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

There's no gap between the 143's & 150's and the 158's & 175's.

 

[craigybagel]

Will get to see one in Manchester before long.

Tonight in fact, 003 will be in Manchester. Arriving at 2019 from Carmarthen, and returning to Cardiff at 2031. 107 is on the Cardiff - Holyhead route today, finishing at the latter.

 

[Rhydgaled]

I don't think TfW will refurbish the interiors of the 175s: the seat covers and carpets were replaced not long ago, and they won't be kept for long enough to warrant such expenditure. I'd suggest it's a job for the next leaser, so they can choose the fittings. (Or the fleet may just end up off lease!)

The seat covers may have been replaced, but I don't think the seats received any other maintenance. The padding (what little of it there was) on some of the seats has now gone; leaving an extra-hard spot in the seat back which is very uncomfortable. If they're going to be stripping 175s to fit power sockets, I hope they also re-pad the seats (but not replace them, given seat replacement these days seems to mean ironing boards will be installed).

Eek, I seem to be having to add more and more qualifiers to my earlier over-reaching statement!

The CET will involve work below the solebar, but will passengers notice any difference in the cubicles?

I think in the ATW/TfW PRM mods topic somebody posted a picture of a wheelchair space area when one of the first few ATW PRM+CET 158s came back. I assume that wheelchair space is either an additional one or has been changed in some way to make it fully compliant.

 

[krus_aragon]

I think in the ATW/TfW PRM mods topic somebody posted a picture of a wheelchair space area when one of the first few ATW PRM+CET 158s came back. I assume that wheelchair space is either an additional one or has been changed in some way to make it fully compliant.

The latter would surprise me, as after the post-ERTMS refurbishment, the wheelchair spaces looked fully up to date from a layman's point of view.

 

[craigybagel]

I think in the ATW/TfW PRM mods topic somebody posted a picture of a wheelchair space area when one of the first few ATW PRM+CET 158s came back. I assume that wheelchair space is either an additional one or has been changed in some way to make it fully compliant.

The latter would surprise me, as after the post-ERTMS refurbishment, the wheelchair spaces looked fully up to date from a layman's point of view.

The door between the saloon and the vestibule, next to the wheelchair space has been widened very slightly (IIRC it's in the region of half an inch difference). Also, the button to open those doors has been moved lower so as to be reachable to a person in a wheelchair. Otherwise, that part of the train is untouched.

 

[spurs352002]

Hello.

I know the idea of livery lists don't suit everyone, but my West Midlands livery thread seems to have been successful so I've created a list to track the progress of the fleet refurbishment of TFW Rail. I've put it in this thread which can be used for discussion of the rebranding and reliverying.

If any of the liveries listed are wrong for a certain unit, such as a 150 being written as in New Turquoise when it is actually still in Teal and Cream, please do say so. Furthermore, if you find out of any refurbishments or repaints to the TFW fleet, please feel free to list them here.



142002 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142006 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142010 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142069 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142072 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142073 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142074 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142075 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142076 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142077 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142080 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142081 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142082 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142083 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
142085 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

143601 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143602 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143604 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143605 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143606 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143607 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143608 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143609 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143610 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143614 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
143616 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143622 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143623 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143624 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
143625 Temporary TFW Branding
150208 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150213 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150217 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150227 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150229 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150230 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150231 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150235 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150236 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150237 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150240 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150241 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150242 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150245 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150250 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150251 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150252 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150253 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150254 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150255 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150256 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150257 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150258 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150259 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150260 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150262 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150264 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150267 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150278 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150279 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150280 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150281 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150282 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150283 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150284 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
150285 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise

153303 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153312 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153320 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
153323 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
153327 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153353 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153362 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
153367 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

158818 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158819 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158820 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158821 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158822 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158823 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158824 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158825 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158826 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158827 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158828 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158829 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158830 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158831 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158832 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158833 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158834 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158835 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158836 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158837 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158838 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158839 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158840 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
158841 Arriva Refurbished Turquoise
175001 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175002 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175003 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175004 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175005 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175006 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175007 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175008 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175009 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175010 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175011 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175101 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175102 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175103 Transport For Wales Livery
175104 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175105 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175106 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175107 Transport For Wales Livery
175108 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175109 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175110 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175111 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175112 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175113 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175114 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175115 Arriva Original Teal & Cream
175116 Arriva Original Teal & Cream

143602 Temporary TFW Branding now, Photted it at Canton yesterday 19/10

 

[TrainTube]

It is a nice new livery, although very similar to the AGA livery. Its a shame no other TOC will use colours similar to AWT, thought the revised turquoise livery looks good on trains. Still, can't have everything.

 

[Philip]

Any other 175s in the new livery now?

 

[anamyd]

I heard from a driver the other evening that the 158s will/would have to sprayed into the new colours with actual paint because for some reason (not given) they can't be vinyl wrapped like the 175s.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Anyway, I heard from a driver the other evening that the 158s will/would have to sprayed into the new colours with actual paint because for some reason (not given) they can't be vinyl wrapped like the 175s.

I think they're talking about the units still in Arriva's old house colours since the paint on them is getting on a bit versus the dark blue & turquoise units.

 

[uxm]

158 in TFW livery on Train Simulator:

 

[krus_aragon]

I think they're talking about the units still in Arriva's old house colours since the paint on them is getting on a bit versus the dark blue & turquoise units.

Are there any 158s in Turquoise/Cream? I thought they all got reliveried into Turquoise/Dark Blue a while ago.

 

[anamyd]

158 in TFW livery on Train Simulator:

NICE!!! I really hope this happens!

 

[anamyd]

It is a nice new livery, although very similar to the AGA livery. Its a shame no other TOC will use colours similar to AWT, thought the revised turquoise livery looks good on trains. Still, can't have everything.

TfW, AGA, LNER and VT(WC) all seem to be members of "the red and white club"...

 

[anamyd]

Are there any 158s in Turquoise/Cream? I thought they all got reliveried into Turquoise/Dark Blue a while ago.

not since late 2012 and yes between late 2010/spring 2011 and late 2012

 

[driver_m]

TfW, AGA, LNER and VT(WC) all seem to be members of "the red and white club"...

Can imagine some ticket confusion over this on the North Wales-Crewe parts with ours and TfW looking fairly similar. Spotters and Staff will know the difference between a 175 and our refurbed 221 but I doubt Joe Public will.

 

[anamyd]

Can imagine some ticket confusion over this on the North Wales-Crewe parts with ours and TfW looking fairly similar. Spotters and Staff will know the difference between a 175 and our refurbed 221 but I doubt Joe Public will.

Does anyone know what the actual reason for all the red and white liveries is...?

 

[craigybagel]

Can imagine some ticket confusion over this on the North Wales-Crewe parts with ours and TfW looking fairly similar. Spotters and Staff will know the difference between a 175 and our refurbed 221 but I doubt Joe Public will.

It's not like the public were especially good at telling them apart even when the trains were green though! But yes, this will make a bad situation even worse as far as confusion over operator specific ticketing goes.

 

[sw1ller]

Does anyone know what the actual reason for all the red and white liveries is...?

It’s going to be the new British rail colour scheme when it all gets re nationalised.

 

[whhistle]

It's a bit boring isn't it.
I mean, plain white with red doors.
White when used like this (err, plain) screams budget.

 

[krus_aragon]

It's a bit boring isn't it.
I mean, plain white with red doors.
White when used like this (err, plain) screams budget.

I hope nobody stencils "No Frills" on the side with a spray can

 

[PHILIPE]

I can't recollect where I saw it, so apologies, but I think I read somewhere that DFT have insisted that all future liveries contained an element of white in them Perhaps somebody may kindly be able to throw some light on this.

 

[driver_m]

White or silver it was Philipe. Seen it myself, so why are GWR green?!! That old Western Superiority complex showing itself again perhaps?

 

[PHILIPE]

White or silver it was Philipe. Seen it myself, so why are GWR green?!! That old Western Superiority complex showing itself again perhaps?

Probably before the instruction was issued

 

[alexf380]

Unless the doors count as that element of silver?

 

[anamyd]

It’s going to be the new British rail colour scheme when it all gets re nationalised.

I understand that the white is due to DfT spec but why is the white paired with red on the Transport for Wales, Abellio Greater Anglia, London North Eastern Railway and new Virgin Trains (West Coast) liveries...? Could it really be a coincidence across the four operators...?

 

[mde]

I hope nobody stencils "No Frills" on the side with a spray can

That’s not very world class

 

[Bletchleyite]

I understand that the white is due to DfT spec but why is the white paired with red on the Transport for Wales, Abellio Greater Anglia, London North Eastern Railway and new Virgin Trains (West Coast) liveries...? Could it really be a coincidence across the four operators...?

White generally: because it's easier to change for a new TOC.

VTWC: Because their base colour is and always has been red.
LNER: Because they don't want to repaint everything from VTEC days, and (see VTWC)
Abellio: Because their base colour is and always has been, er, red.
TfW: Because the dragon is red, and bright green looks awful as a TOC livery?

I don't think there is any deliberate coincidence.

 

[Mordac]

White generally: because it's easier to change for a new TOC.

VTWC: Because their base colour is and always has been red.
LNER: Because they don't want to repaint everything from VTEC days, and (see VTWC)
Abellio: Because their base colour is and always has been, er, red.
TfW: Because the dragon is red, and bright green looks awful as a TOC livery?

I don't think there is any deliberate coincidence.

Wouldn't be a coincidence if it was deliberate, now would it?