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Trips by Bus and Coach: Your reports

TheGrandWazoo

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Thanks for another interesting report. I agree that much of Norfolk is very well worth exploring and absolutely worth a visit. There's quite a lot of it and it is really great that there are more bus options to use, some of them more frequent than ever before. We have, for example, the Lynx 36 with double deckers every hour along the coast west of Wells and then to Fakenham, Sanders with the Coaster east of Wells and revitalised services to North Walsham. BSIP money has enhanced services north of Dereham and I hope to visit that part. Konnect Bus have declined a bit but their main interurban services to Dereham and Watton still thrive, its a shame you weren't able to return via Watton. Some journeys do go to Cringleford on the 3 and 6 (and variations) but its a bit complicated. Borderbus have also found a good niche on a couple of services, supported by school services, while of course Anglian Bus have vanished. First were at one point almost confined to the towns and the Norwich - Yarmouth - Lowestoft triangle (plus Excel) but have moved back to some other services such as Fakenham and to Bungay - this corridor was once entirely with Anglian. Bungay is a lovely town, as is Beccles - worth stopping here - and I have also managed to stop at Haddiscoe. I have always liked parts of Great Yarmouth town centre but not the kiss-me-quick hats part. Interesting perspective on the local routes in Norwich, I have yet to visit since the substantial electrification and I have not yet been on a Kite. Above all, great to have such a supportive council. Oh for similar in some other places!
Thanks @RELL6L - I might struggle to have another trip this summer but I've enjoyed some really lovely explorations. Great countryside, interesting towns and villages, and even some places that whilst not listed in most tourist booklets, are still interesting in their own way.

Norfolk has been subject to an annual visit since 2021, and last year's was indeed a trip along the North Norfolk Coast courtesy of Lynx and Sanders. In fact, Norfolk is fortunate to have probably four/five decent operators with First (yes, really), Konectbus, Sanders and Lynx... I may have to return in 2025 and see if BorderBus is better than my one and only impression and I do have a hankering for exploring places like Fakenham.

I do like the occasional trip on a local route to get to see something slightly different, and not because of the vehicle. A couple of years ago, I was in Great Yarmouth and had a trip through the backstreets of old Yarmouth to Barrack Estate. The Streetlite was a really bad example but I got to see something away from the candy floss before it did drop me near the Pleasure Beach. There's nearly always something you see that you'd never expect.
Wow, just wow. New member here and I've really enjoyed reading this thread today - especially the North East (live in Sunderland), Yorkshire, London and The Lakes.

Thank you to all the contributors to this thread.
Glad you enjoyed the trip reports that myself and others have put on here. Hopefully, you'll get plenty of ideas of routes for you to try out.

I'm a North East exile so have lots of memories of travelling across the region. The links aren't as good as they once were but still plenty to enjoy out there. Being in Sunderland, you can do the Alston run as @RELL6L mentions but there's also North Northumberland, or get yourself to Whitby and Scarborough - both the X4 and X93 are great trips. Look forward to you sharing some of your exploits.
 
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Welcome to the forum and to this thread. I have posted many trips and have details of lots of others going back many years. I live a long way from the North East and the Lakes and my trips in these areas have been relatively few but I have made the most of each one. I can recommend all sorts of routes but it depends on what you like. For incredible scenery try the 888 from Newcastle and Hexham to Penrith and Keswick - this has a short break in Alston which is a lovely town, but only runs four days a week for the rest of the summer. Less ambitious routes are available!

I most admit I usually cycle round those places and not take the bus lol.
 

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I most admit I usually cycle round those places and not take the bus lol.
That is brilliant and much better to visit places under your own steam than on a bus! But the bus is a good second best for exploring where you can keep an eye on the scenery and not worry about parking.
 

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I was able to get out for a trip last Friday. Rubbish weather in the south of England and I couldn’t go north overnight so I followed in the recent footsteps of @TheGrandWazoo and headed for Norfolk. After a 4am alarm and driving up through Cambridgeshire it was foggy and damp but the forecast was adamant that Norfolk would be sunny, and as I reached Thetford almost miraculously the clouds vanished and it was lovely weather for most of the rest of the day!

I started in the small town of Watton. I have to say this is not the most glamorous of places but it was OK, with a free car park and I didn’t have long here to wait for my first bus. This was a Konectbus 11A to Dereham and was a London red 58 plate Dennis Trident Optare Olympus. The 11A is a schoolday variation of the 11 and goes to one of the Dereham schools while the parallel 108 goes to a different one. We were joined at Shipdham by the 113 which took more passengers. At least 20 school children joined at Watton and lots more at other stops, but it was noticeable that only some of the children waiting at each stop boarded our bus, this is obviously all well organised with passengers distributed between the different school buses and we were nearly full going round the Toftwood estates into Dereham. A handful of other passengers going to the centre of Dereham too. This is an attractive small town centre and it was market day here. An opportunity to have a second breakfast and wander around the town centre. Many school buses and First buses on the Excel route, mostly the red Scanias but also a B9TL.

Back in 2011 I took the rural route from here to Fakenham which ran a couple of times a day and didn’t last much longer. Now, thanks to Norfolk’s generosity with BSIP money, it runs hourly, via two alternating routes. I took a Konectbus E200 on the 22 out of Dereham and we left with just one other passenger, who alighted at the first village. We didn’t pick up any more passengers until the lovely village of Hempton, just before reaching Fakenham. I didn’t see the bus going the other way as both directions loop clockwise around North Elmham at about the same time, we were first and there were at least six people waiting for the bus to Dereham which is more encouraging – to be fair it was market day in Dereham and not in Fakenham. We didn’t go through Colkirk as apparently there were road works, but no signs were apparent.

Just five minutes in Fakenham at this point as I wanted to stop off somewhere I had previously been through but not alighted, so I took the Lynx 36. This was an E400 City double decker, on time, with at least 20 joining at Fakenham. Alongside was a Lynx Optare Tempo on the 49a to Kings Lynn which I reckon had 30 on board at the start of its journey. The 36 is part of the old Coasthopper from the old Norfolk Green operator, now called Coastliner. This runs hourly, with double deckers, seemingly pretty reliably on time, and has clearly carved out a successful niche. We got behind a tractor and were slightly late arriving in Walsingham but I had a good 20 minutes in this strange village. Walsingham has Anglican and Catholic shrines and remains of a priory and attracts pilgrims from afar while also having some traditional old buildings. Although it was only mid-morning there was a coach party with nuns at the Catholic visitor centre and several other visitors around. My 36 back to Fakenham was another E400 again with around 30 on board and we got behind the same tractor – I wonder if it waits around to slow buses down! There was a queue on the edge of Fakenham and the driver took a different route into town, missing out one stop but announcing that passengers wanting it could stay on for the return journey.

I had a little longer in Fakenham this time and strolled around some of its central streets. It is a pleasant town but nothing spectacular. I now took another BSIP route, the 26 to Burnham Market, a recently added service run by Sanders Coaches with four journeys a day, one being a school run which probably existed in some form before, the rest being brand new as far as I am aware. My journey would be the one returning shoppers after two hours in Fakenham, the bus running a couple of other services and having a break since its arrival. The bus was a pretty new Volvo B8RLE MCV Evora and I have to say this was the first time I had been on one of these, it seemed very competent with plenty of power and few rattles. We had a driver plus a mentor and left with four passengers, one alighted in Sculthorpe and two in the attractive village of South Creake, leaving just me to go all the way to Burnham Market. This village is renowned for being very upmarket and is apparently known as Chelsea-on-Sea, even though it isn’t on the sea. A John Lewis delivery van was in evidence and, as it was nearly lunchtime, a good number of visitors wandering around the attractive green. I only had 10 minutes here before getting a third E400 on the 36 back towards Fakenham, but just as far as Wells-next-the Sea. This bus was again busy, we went through the attractive spot of Burnham Overy Staithe and then dropped around a dozen at Holkham, looking like they were bound for Holkham Hall.

Wells is probably my favourite place in Norfolk and is a delightful town on the north coast of the county. The 36 stops by the sea front and I alighted here and spent a short time just wandering around this lovely area, now busy with tourists on the sunny day. I then walked up the busy pedestrianised High Street to the bus stop slightly inland where another Sanders B8RLE was waiting on their part of the Coasthopper now called CH1. This runs hourly with some additional journeys between Wells and Cromer and connects well with the 36 by way of each CH1 journey spending 21 minutes stand time at Wells. We therefore left promptly with a good load of passengers and other joined and left during the route. This is another scenic route, although there are no glimpses of the sea front at Blakeney but Cley next the Sea is attractive and we even had standing passengers as we approached Sheringham where I alighted.

I was now heading back, for a third time, to Fakenham as I had never previously taken this route. I could have spent 20 minutes at Sheringham before doing so, but this is not enough time to get to the sea front and explore – 45 minutes is pretty much a minimum needed here. Instead a late-running bus from Norwich, which then continued as a 44 to Holt, appeared, and I took this to Holt. This was one of a pair of Wright bodied 71-plate Volvo B5TLs. Sanders still have a number of older Scania Omnidekkas in regular service but the fleet is being updated with different vehicles: these two Wright bodied Volvo B5TLs, three 73-plate MCV EvoSeti bodied Volvos and three 24-plate ADL E400s. I don’t know whether they are trying out options or the earlier ones are no longer available. Still quite a few passengers on the 44, most travelling all the way to Holt.

This journey gave me 15 minutes in Holt which enabled me to have a quick look round the town centre. Holt is an attractive Georgian town which has become a destination with many upmarket independent shops in areas as well as galleries and cafes attracting visitors from some distance. Then it was on to Fakenham on the Sanders 9, my bus being one of a pair of ADL E200s branded for the route, the only ADL single deckers in the fleet. This took us round Briston and then through the former railway village on Melton Constable, still with many signs of its heritage. Another quarter of an hour in Fakenham and then onto my only trip of the day with First on the X29 to Norwich. My bus was a Volvo B9TL but there were a selection of B9TLs and StreetDecks on the route – the route is supposed to be a “yellow” route but there were few buses on the route with the yellow branding. The X29 runs almost entirely along the main road from Fakenham to Norwich, diverting only through the attractive village of Bawdeswell. It now runs every 30 minutes, a massive improvement from the infrequent service of years ago, I think in part this is BSIP funded too. We had a number of passengers throughout but surely not sufficient for it to be commercial, although this journey was against the flow. From Taverham we ran parallel with the 28 making a 15 minute service, although there are also journeys on a 29 to other parts of the village which seem to run independently.

Despite Friday afternoon traffic we arrived in the centre of Norwich on time. I love Norwich, I think the city centre is very attractive with the castle, cathedral, river, old streets and modern shopping areas all enhancing it. Last time I was there this was even better with ancient Tridents and B7TLs roaming the streets noisily. Now there are many electric buses roaming the streets silently – improvement of course but something has been lost! The colour coded route branding also seems to have disappeared with the electric vehicles. I didn’t have time for a major exploration this time but alighted at Castle Meadow and took my time to get to the bus station. From here it was back to Konectbus and an evening rush hour departure on an E400 on the 3B back towards Watton. This takes an odd route out of Norwich, heading out down the A11 but then cutting across to the university and the hospital before leaving the city and taking a reasonably direct route, with a diversion via the small village of Barnham Broom. There were plenty on board with some joining on the western fringes and passengers alighted in most of the villages. We passed through the very attractive Georgian village of Hingham and, as we were late and there was a Konectbus 6 around 10-15 minutes behind it was a great opportunity to alight and continue shortly afterwards to Watton, even though the cloud had now come in. Finally back at Watton after around 11 hours of interesting travel round North Norfolk.

Apart from the 3B delayed by traffic leaving Norwich all buses ran punctually and pretty well presented. A good advert for the bus industry. A particular mention for the Lynx 36 which has been nurtured into a popular and excellent bus route. Whether the BSIP additions around Fakenham will survive after their initial period has to be doubtful but do try and travel in this lovely area!

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Watton

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Walsingham

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Burnham Market

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Wells next the Sea

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Sheringham

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Holt

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Fakenham

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Norwich

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Hingham
 
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Thanks to @RELL6L - I'd have responded earlier but been on holiday.

Lovely photos of some quintessentially Norfolk towns, though I think you're twisting the knife a bit starting from Watton, the place I failed to get to last time I was in the area :lol: I did some of the same territory last year - I do like Wells though it would be nice if the CH1 and 36 overlapped on the waterfront rather than meeting in the town. That said, Norfolk is really fortunate in having a couple of very good operators in Lynx (who are superb) and Sanders (not quite as good but much better than most), as well as one of the better First opcos. In respect of the latter, they are still persevering with the colour coding on destination displays and the online publicity. That said, the current situation is confused by lots of displaced vehicles on different routes. The journeys I travelled on last year with Lynx and Sanders were well patronised, and noticeably with lots of walkers. I think the e400 on the 36 was at least half full, and the CH1 had standing passengers for much of the journey.

Mention of Norfolk CC, I think the frequency to Fakenham from Norwich was a commercial hourly service, started when Stagecoach packed up and First beat Konectbus to introducing the route. The half hourly extension is just projecting an existing short journey using BSIP funds so not too bad. I do wonder about the really rural stuff and how sustainable that is.

I really must stop travelling to Great Yarmouth when I'm in the area, and spend more time in Norwich; I know I'm missing out, and understand the local branch of Tandy is very good ;)
 

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Thanks to @RELL6L - I'd have responded earlier but been on holiday.

Lovely photos of some quintessentially Norfolk towns, though I think you're twisting the knife a bit starting from Watton, the place I failed to get to last time I was in the area :lol: I did some of the same territory last year - I do like Wells though it would be nice if the CH1 and 36 overlapped on the waterfront rather than meeting in the town. That said, Norfolk is really fortunate in having a couple of very good operators in Lynx (who are superb) and Sanders (not quite as good but much better than most), as well as one of the better First opcos. In respect of the latter, they are still persevering with the colour coding on destination displays and the online publicity. That said, the current situation is confused by lots of displaced vehicles on different routes. The journeys I travelled on last year with Lynx and Sanders were well patronised, and noticeably with lots of walkers. I think the e400 on the 36 was at least half full, and the CH1 had standing passengers for much of the journey.

Mention of Norfolk CC, I think the frequency to Fakenham from Norwich was a commercial hourly service, started when Stagecoach packed up and First beat Konectbus to introducing the route. The half hourly extension is just projecting an existing short journey using BSIP funds so not too bad. I do wonder about the really rural stuff and how sustainable that is.

I really must stop travelling to Great Yarmouth when I'm in the area, and spend more time in Norwich; I know I'm missing out, and understand the local branch of Tandy is very good ;)

I wasn’t trying to highlight your misfortune by starting at Watton, it was simply the most convenient and nearest place on the route which I have had planned for some time! It’s not an exciting town though, lots of new housing.

I suppose it would be good if the CH1 went via the seafront at Wells but it would complicate the route and it couldn’t wait time there. The 36 and CH1 do seem to be doing well, good presentation, good marketing, reliable and punctual operations with good reputations locally. Plus of course attractive places on the route!

Norwich really is an excellent city centre, well worth getting immersed in for a couple of hours.
 

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After much procrastination, I finally decided to try the Peak Sightseer last Saturday (7th Sept) with a friend of mine. Living in Chesterfield, I have no idea why it's taken me this long to give it a go!

N.B. All photos taken by myself

My day started with a short trip into Chesterfield centre on Stagecoach Yorkshire's 36991; about as bog-standard of an Enviro200 you can get.

Our plan was to catch 16943 into Chatsworth. With it being the only Volvo in the fleet, we decided it would be nice. With the Volvo being taller than the rest of the Sightseer fleet, it cannot operate the Blue route to Mam Tor. As such, there are only certain workings it can do; those are the 08:42 from Chesterfield Station and 09:38 from Lowedges.

Keeping an eye on Bustimes, the 08:42 from the station was taken by 18467; not the one we wanted! McDonalds breakfast eaten, I made my way for the X17 service up to Lowedges to catch it going from there. 11118 was my chariot, offering a pleasant ride as all of our X17 branded Enviro400 MMCs do.

16943 arrived at Lowedges bang on time. I paid my £5.50 as I boarded and we took our seats at the top. When I say the Volvo is loud, I mean it! To my surprise, it had the power to back it up; flying up and down the various gradients between Lowedges and Owler Bar.

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Upon arriving at the aforementioned Owler Bar, we had noticed a distinct lack of surroundings. We had picked a miserable day; fog as far as the eye could see (Which evidently was not very far!)

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Upon reaching Chatsworth, the vehicle was quite full. We immediately left for a Red service from Chatsworth around Pilsley, Bakewell and Ashford-in-the-water.

Returning to Chatsworth, we were informed that our beloved Volvo was to be towed back to the depot due to a red brake light. According to a driver, the wrecker collecting it broke down too!

I managed to snap a photo of Stonegravels' 47724 sporting its unique white frontend.

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Our taxi up to Mam Tor on the Blue route was 18186, featuring no roof at all!
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The blue route is the only daily bus service that serves Winnats pass. What a lovely bit of landscape.

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Upon arriving at Mam Tor, I was completely astounded by the view. I feel so fortunate to live so close to such natural beauty. I have no idea why it has taken me so long to come up here. The photo doesn't do it justice!

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Heading back down from Mam Tor, we stopped off in Castleton to grab a bite to eat. After much decision making, we settled on a nice little café on Cross Street. I opted for a (very pricey) fish and chips. It was decent enough but I forgot to take a photo, just know it took a sizeable chunk out of my bank account!

After a quick stroll around Castleton itself, we caught 15717 (which was tracking as 47724) back to Chatsworth. (Photo not taken on the day). The high back seats were certainly welcome!

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Getting back to Chatsworth, we headed for the café only to be told it was closed! Fuming, we went back to the stop to wait for our ride home. we weren't sure whether to get the Red to Chesterfield or the Blue to Lowedges.

Hulleys 5714 showed its face along with a Routemaster, that appeared to be on a wedding service.

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Opting for the Blue service to Lowedges, we set off on 18186, a rather rapid Trident. We arrived at Lowedges 17 minutes early according to the timetable!

I travelled back to Chesterfield and that was it! Honestly I have no idea why I hadn't done it sooner, it was such an enjoyable experience and was well worth the price. Highly recommend!

Thanks for reading, this is my first trip report. I hope it's up to standard! See my busmiles log of my day here. (EDIT: aaaa why won't my attachments work!)
 

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After much procrastination, I finally decided to try the Peak Sightseer last Saturday (7th Sept) with a friend of mine. Living in Chesterfield, I have no idea why it's taken me this long to give it a go!

N.B. All photos taken by myself

My day started with a short trip into Chesterfield centre on Stagecoach Yorkshire's 36991; about as bog-standard of an Enviro200 you can get.

Our plan was to catch 16943 into Chatsworth. With it being the only Volvo in the fleet, we decided it would be nice. With the Volvo being taller than the rest of the Sightseer fleet, it cannot operate the Blue route to Mam Tor. As such, there are only certain workings it can do; those are the 08:42 from Chesterfield Station and 09:38 from Lowedges.

Keeping an eye on Bustimes, the 08:42 from the station was taken by 18467; not the one we wanted! McDonalds breakfast eaten, I made my way for the X17 service up to Lowedges to catch it going from there. 11118 was my chariot, offering a pleasant ride as all of our X17 branded Enviro400 MMCs do.

16943 arrived at Lowedges bang on time. I paid my £5.50 as I boarded and we took our seats at the top. When I say the Volvo is loud, I mean it! To my surprise, it had the power to back it up; flying up and down the various gradients between Lowedges and Owler Bar.

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Upon arriving at the aforementioned Owler Bar, we had noticed a distinct lack of surroundings. We had picked a miserable day; fog as far as the eye could see (Which evidently was not very far!)

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Upon reaching Chatsworth, the vehicle was quite full. We immediately left for a Red service from Chatsworth around Pilsley, Bakewell and Ashford-in-the-water.

Returning to Chatsworth, we were informed that our beloved Volvo was to be towed back to the depot due to a red brake light. According to a driver, the wrecker collecting it broke down too!

I managed to snap a photo of Stonegravels' 47724 sporting its unique white frontend.

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Our taxi up to Mam Tor on the Blue route was 18186, featuring no roof at all!
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The blue route is the only daily bus service that serves Winnats pass. What a lovely bit of landscape.

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Upon arriving at Mam Tor, I was completely astounded by the view. I feel so fortunate to live so close to such natural beauty. I have no idea why it has taken me so long to come up here. The photo doesn't do it justice!

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Heading back down from Mam Tor, we stopped off in Castleton to grab a bite to eat. After much decision making, we settled on a nice little café on Cross Street. I opted for a (very pricey) fish and chips. It was decent enough but I forgot to take a photo, just know it took a sizeable chunk out of my bank account!

After a quick stroll around Castleton itself, we caught 15717 (which was tracking as 47724) back to Chatsworth. (Photo not taken on the day). The high back seats were certainly welcome!

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Getting back to Chatsworth, we headed for the café only to be told it was closed! Fuming, we went back to the stop to wait for our ride home. we weren't sure whether to get the Red to Chesterfield or the Blue to Lowedges.

Hulleys 5714 showed its face along with a Routemaster, that appeared to be on a wedding service.

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Opting for the Blue service to Lowedges, we set off on 18186, a rather rapid Trident. We arrived at Lowedges 17 minutes early according to the timetable!

I travelled back to Chesterfield and that was it! Honestly I have no idea why I hadn't done it sooner, it was such an enjoyable experience and was well worth the price. Highly recommend!

Thanks for reading, this is my first trip report. I hope it's up to standard! See my busmiles log of my day here. (EDIT: aaaa why won't my attachments work!)
Definitely up to standard. Having seen this and the earlier report on these Peak Sightseer routes, I really think I'm missing out. The dedicated livery (rather than the Stagecoach standard one) really does sell the service. Shame you had a bit of early fog but that's the problem in this country - can't trust the weather!
 

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Great report on the Peak Sightseer. Left it too late this year so I hope it reappears next year. It sounds like loadings have been quite good so fingers crossed.

NEW REPORT - part 1
I’ve not had the best year for trips but last week the weather was set fair and I was able to take time out for a two day trip for the first, and undoubtedly the only, time this year. I really wanted to go to the North West or North East and the weather forecast was clearly better in the North West, with the risk of morning fog coming in from North Sea coasts. So on Monday evening I drove to Lancaster (Forton) services for an early start on Tuesday. My targets included some routes and places not previously visited including a couple of recent BSIP additions to the networks.

The main part of my first day’s trip did not start until mid-morning so I started on with an ‘appetiser’, parking in Lancaster city centre and heading off just before sunrise. My first leg was on the Stagecoach 55 to Carnforth and my steed was one of their 13-plate E400Hs. Few of these remain in some parts but there are 8 based at Lancaster which are mainly confined to local routes. It seemed to behave quite oddly, cutting out at stops and T-junctions, using enough battery power to lurch forward a few yards before the engine cut in again. Quite a few passengers on this early against-the flow journey and we arrived in Carnforth soon after 7am to get some breakfast, I have to say there is not a lot to see here apart, perhaps, from the old railway station and heritage centre, which wasn’t open. I moved on from here on the Stagecoach 5 to Morecambe, a more modern E400 decker. There were several passengers joining and most alighted in Morecambe. The journey to Carnforth which we met was not just one vehicle but three, two E400s and a MAN E300, a few of which seemed to be around despite them getting quite old now. The MAN does not show up on BusTimes but I am sure I saw it and all three journeys had plenty on board even in central Morecambe.

I have been to Morecambe before but only to the seafront area, which is scenic on a sunny day. I stayed on through the town centre to the area known as “Battery” where the 5 gets back to the coast. After a few minutes here I headed back to Lancaster on a 1, another Stagecoach E400. The 1 and 1A provide a bus every 10 minutes through areas of Morecambe and then via Torrisholme to Lancaster. This journey was very busy with passengers joining and leaving before and after Morecambe town centre, so this is clearly good bus territory. We became slightly late but then recovered some time before I alighted at the railway bridge where the West Coast Main Line crosses the river in Lancaster. This bridge has a footpath alongside it which leads to St Georges Quay providing a pleasant riverside walk back to the city centre. From here I walked to the station to start out on the ‘main course’ of the day’s trip with a short train journey to Preston. I have previously taken the bus via Garstang but the train is much quicker.

Arriving in Preston I walked along the main street through to the bus station. From here I took another Stagecoach bus, the 59 heading east to Blackburn and Accrington. This journey did not arrive off an incoming 59 but appeared just as another 59 did arrive. My bus was a Gold-liveried Scania E400, still advertising the 125. The 59 takes a different route between Preston and Blackburn to the Transdev 152 (aka Hotline) without much in between the towns but we still had a number of passengers. Quite slow out of Preston we lost some time but we were quick through Blackburn and caught up the previous journey in roadworks heading out to the hospital. After the hospital the route has a rural section, quite scenic, before hitting Oswaldtwistle. Here we had to take a slightly convoluted route to avoid a low bridge on the way into Accrington. The extension from Blackburn hospital to Accrington is relatively recent, I don’t know if it commercial or funded by Lancashire, but it did have some custom and would seem to be a useful addition for access to the hospital.

I headed into Accrington town centre from the splendid small bus station intending to spend 40 minutes before taking a Blackburn 7 onwards, but I noted that my intended journey had not left Blackburn 10 minutes after it should have done so I decided to go for an earlier journey. I had explored Accrington only last year and this time quite a bit seemed to be taken up by construction works around the old market area so I didn’t feel I was missing much. The 7 out of Accrington heads out of town under another low bridge, explaining why the 6 and 7 circular routes are all single deckers. The routes are normally run by Versas but my bus was a Streetlite with very anaemic performance especially up hills. I alighted at Great Harwood, a small town I had never visited. As I had arrived earlier than expected I had time for a sit-down snack lunch at a café by the splendid town square, clock tower and magnificent town hall. I was right to do this as the 7 I had intended to catch ended up 20 minutes late by the time it got here with the next journey right behind, I would not then have had enough time to explore this attractive small town.

My next leg was on a route which not long ago had disappeared to not much more than a school service, was then reinstated to a regular service by Lancashire council and subsequently increased to hourly. This was the Holmeswood Coaches 15 from Accrington to Clitheroe via Great Harwood, now run by two Optare Solos. Unfortunately both vehicles were covered in contravision advertising for Burnley College on both sides and the views for the passengers were very poor. Several passengers though, the route seems to be doing well. Arrival in Clitheroe was punctual giving a few minutes to explore this lovely middle-class town a little, I have been here in the past and spent much longer and it is well worth a visit.

Astute readers will have worked out long ago where I was heading at this point. This was to the North Yorkshire sponsored BSIP route 11 through the Forest of Bowland to Settle. Introduced earlier this year the route was initially operated by 21 Travel but now it is run using sliding-door minibuses by North Yorkshire council with wooden destination boards in the windscreen and cash only. Passes were accepted but not recorded. The bus arrived at Clitheroe with about 6 passengers alighting and we left on time with me and three other passengers, two bound for Dunsop Bridge and the other to Slaidburn, all journeys that would have been impossible last year. The route is deeply rural and passes through very attractive but generally not breathtaking scenery although in places it emerges on hillsides with more dramatic views. At Tosside the route enters North Yorkshire and from here on existed before the recent extension. The route runs two hourly although there is a partial gap for a school journey in the afternoon. No-one else joined us after Slaidburn but we passed the journey running the other way which had a few passengers on board.

At Settle the route continues to Horton in Ribblesdale. We were on time and I was confident I had sufficient time to carry on with the round trip to Horton and back before the next leg of my journey. I did begin to wonder if this was wise as six passengers, mostly with mobility issues (one taking a baby in a collapsable buggy which barely squeezed onto the unsuitable minibus) joined at Settle bound for different destinations on the short run to Horton and we were 10 minutes late arriving. On the return journey we picked up four walkers none of whom claimed to have any cash and would have been stranded if the driver had insisted on payment and the driver initially forgot to loop round Stainforth. But I could see my next journey was running late as well so I wasn’t concerned and in the event I still had over 10 minutes to stroll around this compact and charismatic town. Much of the central area was devoid of its normal parked cars as there had been a market but there was plenty of activity.

The final stage of the day’s trip was now approaching. I had in the past travelled from Skipton to Kirkby Lonsdale and on to Kendal but had not stopped at Settle or Ingleton nor taken any route between Kirkby Lonsdale and Lancaster. Settle was now taken care of but I also wanted to stop at Ingleton as I was aware that passing through the village on the bus missed out much of the best bits up by the church. I had timed this carefully, the 11 arrives in Settle from the south at 37 minutes past the odd hours and the 581 north to Ingleton runs at 30 minutes past the odd hours – generally useless – but the extra 581 journey at 16.30 made this one work, also giving the time to go on to Horton in Ribblesdale and back. It then meant I had a full hour in Ingleton which was ideal to explore all of this lovely village. The 581 north from Settle was a horrid Streetlite WF but we caught up a few minutes as we passed through very attractive countryside along and close to the A65 to Ingleton. After my hour in Ingleton the following journey was a new (23 plate) Volvo B8RLE MCV Evora which seemed so much more refined and substantive. We continued to Kirkby Lonsdale as a 581 then switched to being an 81 on to Lancaster. For the first time I recall passengers were specifically asked to rescan passes at Kirkby Lonsdale. Does the £2 fare have to be paid again at Settle and Kirkby Lonsdale for through journeys? A further question on this is that the combined route from Lancaster to Skipton, being the 81/82 then 581 then 580, has a round trip time of almost six hours. Often there is a 30 minute break in Skipton but not always. So how does this work for drivers’ hours, where the limit is 5hrs 30 minutes of driving time? Do some journeys have driver changes en route?

After we left Kirkby Lonsdale our journey was an 81 mainly along the southern side of the Lune Valley. The sun was beginning to get low in the sky but it was still clear that this was quite scenic, with views of the river and the hills beyond. The timing was pretty relaxed and we stopped several times to wait time. The route included quite a long double-run into Hornby, we had passengers throughout and more joined as we neared Lancaster, where we arrived a few minutes early, just as it was getting dark. I had managed a trip of over 12½ hours in the week of the equinox which I felt was pretty good. I’m not sure I would want to do it even a week later as the sun would have set well before completing the circuit.

I then headed back to Forton services. I will report on the second day when I get an opportunity, I suspect there may be good guesses as to where I went next…

Some photos:A1 Morecambe.JPG
Morecambe

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Lancaster

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Great Harwood

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from the 11 near Dunsop Bridge

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from the 11 near Tosside

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Horton in Ribblesdale

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Settle

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Ingleton

A9 The Lune Valley near Caton.JPG
The Lune Valley near Caton

PART 2 TO FOLLOW
 

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Excellent report as always @RELL6L - I was recently in the Lancaster area and some of the scenery around there is so underrated. I would also agree that Morecambe can be a lot more scenic than some give it credit - though on a windy day it seems to get particularly brutal gales off the sea! I hope I'm not raining on your parade if I post my own report before your part 2 which I eagerly await...

Last weekend saw a spell of decent weather forecast and with autumn beginning to draw in, I knew I wanted to make use of it. So I decided to go on a trip which had been in the works for some time - ever since I had noticed an incredibly rural bus route snaking its way up from Galloway into the southern tip of Ayrshire.

Following a series of connections west, my day began in earnest at Dumfries - a fine county town which has long been a favourite of mine. I made sure to catch an early train to have plenty of time to soak up the sights and enjoy a breakfast, before heading back to the railway station to wait for my first bus connection to Castle Douglas.

The Stagecoach West Scotland 500 service is a major trunk route - effectively providing the only East-West link across Dumfries and Galloway since the closure of the famous "Port Road" in the 1960s. There are various routes numbered in the low 500s which all travel west from Dumfries, but only the main 500 continues right through to Stranraer. As is common with longer distance interurban services in Scotland, the route is worked with coaches - yellow Plaxton Elites to be precise. A handful of passengers boarded at Dumfries' pleasant red sandstone railway station, and we also picked up a few more at each of the other stops in town - the Loreburn Centre (where buses unusually dive into an awning right next to the entrance to the shops) and the main Whitesands stop by the Nith. Continuing west we also called in at the out of town hospital before joining the A75 for the pleasant run out to Castle Douglas. While the scenery was decent enough, by Galloway standards it wasn't particularly exceptional - pleasant rolling hills and a few villages strung out along the main road west.

Castle Douglas is a fairly new town, built in the late 18th century in a grid pattern and only really fully developing with the coming of the railways in 1859. It has a reputation as a "food town" and there certainly seemed to be plenty of cafes and restaurants on its rather gentrified main street, but other than that I wasn't particularly taken by the place. But I hadn't come here for lunch - what I really cared about was the next route, which was the main focus of the trip.

The 520, operated by McCall's Coaches, is something of a no frills operation. A slightly rattly midibus runs up from Castle Douglas into the hills every hour or two, and depending on journey can terminate in various places through the Glenkens. I had deliberately chosen my departure as one of only two to continue across the county boundary to the remote (and tiny) Ayrshire town of Dalmellington. At just £4.80 the single fare was superb value, and surprisingly the bus was busy with over a dozen passengers already boarding at other stops in Castle Douglas - these sorts of deeply rural routes do seem to get slightly more usage in Scotland than they do south of the border. Luckily there were enough seats available for me to be able to get a place on the left hand side, which I had identified as having better views of the lochs and hills heading north.

And what views they were!

Almost immediately after passing through the village of Crossmichael, the left hand view opens up and Loch Ken becomes visible - a long freshwater loch partially dammed by a barrage to provide hydroelectric power locally. Distant hills rise beyond, at first quite gentle but becoming steeper and harsher as the route heads north. The key intermediate points on route, and where all other passengers were travelling to, is a clutch of pretty villages just beyond the loch's head - New Galloway, Balmaclellan, and Dalry - and beyond these the route really does become wild. The hills and moors here are higher and wilder; the tiny villages even more remote. After Carsphairn, the route truly becomes deep rural and runs past vast forests and plains - with distant views of the vast Loch Doon and then a brief stretch of gorge before entering the town of Dalmellington. It is difficult to really put into words how astonishingly beautiful this bus route is - and varied too, with a mix of lowland and upland terrain as well as some gorgeous villages!

I expected Dalmellington to be something of a come down after that, but despite a rather dour reputation, found the place to be pleasant and friendly enough. The main bus stop, served by all routes regardless of direction of travel, sits on a roundabout above a small burn (the same one seen in the gorge on the southern approach to town). I was taking the Stagecoach 52 service down to Ayr - an important service and the main route connecting the Doon Valley with the wider world. As you might expect for a Saturday afternoon journey on a pleasant day, loadings were excellent; the route has two buses an hour (one direct, one via Dalrymple) but despite running through quite rural territory, clearly justifies this level of service. With the journey approaching the coast, the terrain became flatter and more moderate as the route went on, but there were still sweeping views right across the county.

From Ayr, I had quite a few more options - I knew I had to be in Kilmarnock for my train home in the evening, so decided to carry on northwards at first and then cut inland. I decided to travel north to Prestwick and then take a train onwards for the short hop to Troon (having just missed the bus from Ayr) - from there I could connect onto an infrequent and mildly interesting route into the west end of Kilmarnock. From Ayr to Prestwick, I took the 2 service - one of many that trundle up the Prestwick Road between these two inseparable towns. This local route runs at a frequency of every 20 minutes and is now operated by electric Enviro buses - and has quite a few modern features like automatic next stop announcements and the newer style of grey seating Stagecoach now favour. It operates as a loop (heading out via the direct road to Prestwick but then returning via estates to the east of Prestwick and Ayr) but the other direction is numbered... 6! Unsurprisingly given the built up urban nature of the route there were plenty of passengers, many making short journeys either from Ayr to residential areas to the north or travelling locally into Prestwick.

I caught a train from Prestwick to Troon and had a bit of a wander there - in the sunny evening light, the expansive views across the bay were pretty stunning, even if the low tide meant there wasn't too much sea to see! I couldn't dawdle for too long though; my final bus of the day beckoned - another Stagecoach service, this time the number 10. Now if there was an award for most circuitous bus route, I think the 10 might be a contender - certainly within Troon it manages to loop around every housing estate possible. With vast numbers of new builds sprouting up at Barrassie, I can only see this route getting more winding in future! Once we had escaped the sprawl, it was a fairly fast and nondescript ride up to Kilmarnock - probably one of the quietest buses of the day, not helped by the parallel 11 having an excellent frequency as we entered Kilmarnock. I alighted at the railway station, found somewhere to get dinner and a few pints, and prepared myself for the long journey home...

So what did I think of my trip? Overall, it was enjoyable. I think the South West of Scotland is certainly an underrated area to visit - generally people would think of the Highlands if they were after stunning scenery in Scotland, perhaps not realising that there exists much of the same sort of terrain far further south. The buses I took were invariably clean and were either on time or only very marginally late, and loadings seemed to reflect that these services are important to local communities.

But if I had a minor piece of feedback, particularly for Stagecoach, it would be that the network in this area can be rather confusing. Buses can have the same number and destination but go different ways (the 52), buses often go on lengthy and confusing tours of peripheral parts of town (the 10), buses have wildly different numbers depending on direction (the 2/6). I also noticed further oddities like some buses being prefaced with a 3 (possibly based around SPT funding for marginal journeys?). I can sympathise with them though, and think they are doing a good job in what certainly isn't the most bus friendly place in Britain. The coal mining history means that "good bus territory" tends to be patchy and spread out, with long distances between areas which have strong bus usage (like Dalmellington or Cumnock) and their main towns for work, shopping, and recreation. As quite a traditional area, Stagecoach won't want to rock the boat with radical changes, but to really attract visitors or drivers locally they may want to try and make some of their routings and choices just that bit more clear!

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The River Nith at Dumfries

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Loch Ken from the 520 - there's several miles of this!

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New Galloway village

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Looking across Balmaclellan to the distant hills

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These really do loom large for much of the middle part of the journey...

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Distant views across to Loch Doon and the remote forests which surround it

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The gorge on approach to Dalmellington - photos can't really do it justice!

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Dalmellington town centre; the bus stop is behind me

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The view across the bay from a very sunny Troon
 

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Don't apologies @NorthOxonian and thank you for your great report and fabulous photos. I have not made it as far as South West Scotland but would dearly love to do so and these parts - particularly the 520 - would very much be on my radar if I ever did. It sounds just as scenic as I imagined (with help from Google Maps) and it is encouraging that these rural routes have some passengers - more by the sounds of it than similar routes in England. Hope to post my second part tomorrow - but it doesn't make it to Scotland unfortunately. Please keep travelling and posting!

PART 2

So, for the second day of my trip to the North West I was to head a little further north for a half day trip. I drove back to Lancaster and this time parked at the station from where I took a train to Kendal, changing at Oxenholme. I had the best part of an hour in Kendal, a lovely small town dedicated to outdoor activities, time for some breakfast and a stroll around before the shoppers turned up. The town seems to have a self-inflicted traffic problem with queues through the town for one set of traffic lights in a one-way system. I have done most routes from here already but this time – as I am sure most will have guessed – was the new BSIP funded Stagecoach 563. My bus was a Lakes green E200 which arrived and left a few minutes late from the bus station due to the traffic. The bus station was busy as a 555 arrived at the same time – I could have got this from Lancaster but it would have been very tight. The 563 goes out from Kendal via Oxenholme then to Sedbergh, Kirkby Stephen, Brough and Appleby to Penrith, with everything south of Appleby being added recently and funded by BSIP funding. Given the 08.30 start time I would have expected that the bus and driver would have done something else, such as a school run, first, but it seems it does not. The Penrith contribution to the route, which runs down to Kendal then does a return to Sedbergh and back before returning to Penrith, does do a school run both before and after its sojourn on the 563.

Wow – what a scenic route! As soon as we were past Oxenholme the bus was on A-roads with very little other traffic and increasingly glorious views. We crossed the M6 at junction 37 and then the section through Hawes to Kirkby Stephen and Brough was dramatic. Not perhaps to the level of the 508 through the Kirkstone Pass or the 888 west of Alston but still fabulous. There was only one other passenger from the start and I think he was going all the way to Penrith, but another lady joined at Sedbergh to go to Kirkby Stephen station and two more joined at Brough, so these were all genuine travellers getting from A to B. Given that this would have been a glorious day for walking it is a shame that there were not more takers. Kirkby Stephen also seemed an attractive town but is difficult to visit by bus.

I alighted at Appleby as I wanted to spend a little time in this lovely small town. It has a river, church, castle, attractive hilly streets with decent buildings, exactly my sort of small town. The bus I left continues to Penrith then comes straight back to Appleby for another trip into Penrith before its break so this gave me 1hr 20mins in Appleby. Before the existence of the BSIP funded 11 in Lancashire and 563 here I had planned a route which took the railway between Appleby and Settle to cover the rest of the routes, but this was much better. The section between Appleby and Penrith is not as dramatic but still pleasant with hills in the background. Finally some sign of some works about to start on dualling more of the A66 after decades of promises too!

At Penrith I continued through the town to the station and took another train back to Lancaster. This train did not stop at Oxenholme hence the need to run this from Lancaster. This is a very scenic section of the main line especially where it parallels the M6, but I have to say the scenery flashes past somewhat faster on the train than in the car.

I was back in Lancaster by lunchtime and had to get home not too late, but there was time to do something else. Mostly my trips are meticulously planned with backup options etc but sometimes it is fun to just ‘wing it’ when there are enough options available. I wanted to visit probably the largest town I had not previously visited by bus in England, certainly the last town with an English football league club (I am not counting areas of cities such as Aston or Millwall here, and yes I have been to Tranmere and Burslem). This was Fleetwood, and I started by driving to Poulton-le-Fylde, somewhere I had been through but not stopped at. I headed for the central car park in what seemed a logical way only to find that the town centre one way system is, very unusually, anti-clockwise, so there are traffic conflicts at every joining and leaving point. There are two town centre bus stops, one for buses heading east and north and the other for those going south and west, although some buses serve both. Between the stops is an attractive pedestrianised area and church.

I had researched a little waiting for the train and the options depended on what time past the hour I arrived. When I did my best choice was to head on the most direct bus to Fleetwood, the hourly 74 run by Archway Travel. They only took over the route from Blackpool Transport recently, this route together with the 75 providing a half hourly service from Preston to Poulton to Fleetwood, although the two routes are quite different in places between Preston and Poulton and then the 75 goes via Cleveleys. They must have about the newest fleet of anyone, with 7 of their 8 front line vehicles being 24 plate E200s with a ‘Fylde Villager’ livery although this is mostly dealer white. The bus was on time, with a fair number of passengers, more joining and took a fairly direct route through Thornton to Fleetwood. After going to the massive Affinity Outlet retail park through the town centre this continued to the sea front at The Esplanade and I alighted there.

I have to say I was impressed with Fleetwood, at least the part by the sea. I had expected this to have a more neglected feel to it and not seem at all like a resort, but the fairly small area round from the Esplanade to the terminal for the ferry to Knott End with the Fisherman’s Memorial, tram terminus and a lighthouse tower was attractive and well presented. From here I walked back to the town centre with a view to going to Cleveleys next. Two options were with Transpora, a company mentioned frequently in this forum, with the 24 and 21 as different routes to Cleveleys. The 24 generally runs half hourly but had a gap in the afternoon timetable at that time – not shown in BusTimes but it was shown on the stop timetables and confirmed by passengers, while the 21 was supposed to run at a suitable time but from BusTimes clearly was not running. Double deckers are the norm on the 21 but it wasn’t actually the route I wanted to take so I didn’t mind the no-show. Another option was the tram but instead I took the Blackpool Transport 1 which went closer to the west coast of the peninsula. This was an E200 and was quite lightly loaded and in the event didn’t really have the sea views I had hoped for as there is quite a bit of flood protection built here. At Cleveleys I alighted and walked up to the sea front and back and got my distant view of the Blackpool Tower. I then took another Archway Travel bus, the 75, back to Poulton. Another E200 and another reasonably busy bus. For a new operator Archway Travel seemed pretty good. Back at Poulton just over a couple of hours after leaving I then headed home.

So in a way I did four trips across the two days, three from Lancaster and one from Poulton-le-Fylde. The main sections included the major new BSIP opportunities provided by the 11 from Clitheroe to Settle and the 563 from Kendal to Appleby. Both very scenic and thoroughly recommended!

Some more photos:

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Kendal, a quiet shopping street early in the day

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From the 563 between Kendal and Sedbergh

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From the 563 between Sedbergh and Kirkby Stephen. There is a waterfall visible in the distance on the right.

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From the 563 between Sedbergh and Kirkby Stephen - looking the other way into the sun

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Brough

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Appleby

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Poulton-le-Fylde

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Fleetwood, near the tram terminus looking over to Knott End on Sea

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Cleveleys, with the iconic Blackpool Tower in the distance
 
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Excellent report as always @RELL6L - I was recently in the Lancaster area and some of the scenery around there is so underrated. I would also agree that Morecambe can be a lot more scenic than some give it credit - though on a windy day it seems to get particularly brutal gales off the sea! I hope I'm not raining on your parade if I post my own report before your part 2 which I eagerly await...

Last weekend saw a spell of decent weather forecast and with autumn beginning to draw in, I knew I wanted to make use of it. So I decided to go on a trip which had been in the works for some time - ever since I had noticed an incredibly rural bus route snaking its way up from Galloway into the southern tip of Ayrshire.

Following a series of connections west, my day began in earnest at Dumfries - a fine county town which has long been a favourite of mine. I made sure to catch an early train to have plenty of time to soak up the sights and enjoy a breakfast, before heading back to the railway station to wait for my first bus connection to Castle Douglas.

The Stagecoach West Scotland 500 service is a major trunk route - effectively providing the only East-West link across Dumfries and Galloway since the closure of the famous "Port Road" in the 1960s. There are various routes numbered in the low 500s which all travel west from Dumfries, but only the main 500 continues right through to Stranraer. As is common with longer distance interurban services in Scotland, the route is worked with coaches - yellow Plaxton Elites to be precise. A handful of passengers boarded at Dumfries' pleasant red sandstone railway station, and we also picked up a few more at each of the other stops in town - the Loreburn Centre (where buses unusually dive into an awning right next to the entrance to the shops) and the main Whitesands stop by the Nith. Continuing west we also called in at the out of town hospital before joining the A75 for the pleasant run out to Castle Douglas. While the scenery was decent enough, by Galloway standards it wasn't particularly exceptional - pleasant rolling hills and a few villages strung out along the main road west.

Castle Douglas is a fairly new town, built in the late 18th century in a grid pattern and only really fully developing with the coming of the railways in 1859. It has a reputation as a "food town" and there certainly seemed to be plenty of cafes and restaurants on its rather gentrified main street, but other than that I wasn't particularly taken by the place. But I hadn't come here for lunch - what I really cared about was the next route, which was the main focus of the trip.

The 520, operated by McCall's Coaches, is something of a no frills operation. A slightly rattly midibus runs up from Castle Douglas into the hills every hour or two, and depending on journey can terminate in various places through the Glenkens. I had deliberately chosen my departure as one of only two to continue across the county boundary to the remote (and tiny) Ayrshire town of Dalmellington. At just £4.80 the single fare was superb value, and surprisingly the bus was busy with over a dozen passengers already boarding at other stops in Castle Douglas - these sorts of deeply rural routes do seem to get slightly more usage in Scotland than they do south of the border. Luckily there were enough seats available for me to be able to get a place on the left hand side, which I had identified as having better views of the lochs and hills heading north.

And what views they were!

Almost immediately after passing through the village of Crossmichael, the left hand view opens up and Loch Ken becomes visible - a long freshwater loch partially dammed by a barrage to provide hydroelectric power locally. Distant hills rise beyond, at first quite gentle but becoming steeper and harsher as the route heads north. The key intermediate points on route, and where all other passengers were travelling to, is a clutch of pretty villages just beyond the loch's head - New Galloway, Balmaclellan, and Dalry - and beyond these the route really does become wild. The hills and moors here are higher and wilder; the tiny villages even more remote. After Carsphairn, the route truly becomes deep rural and runs past vast forests and plains - with distant views of the vast Loch Doon and then a brief stretch of gorge before entering the town of Dalmellington. It is difficult to really put into words how astonishingly beautiful this bus route is - and varied too, with a mix of lowland and upland terrain as well as some gorgeous villages!

I expected Dalmellington to be something of a come down after that, but despite a rather dour reputation, found the place to be pleasant and friendly enough. The main bus stop, served by all routes regardless of direction of travel, sits on a roundabout above a small burn (the same one seen in the gorge on the southern approach to town). I was taking the Stagecoach 52 service down to Ayr - an important service and the main route connecting the Doon Valley with the wider world. As you might expect for a Saturday afternoon journey on a pleasant day, loadings were excellent; the route has two buses an hour (one direct, one via Dalrymple) but despite running through quite rural territory, clearly justifies this level of service. With the journey approaching the coast, the terrain became flatter and more moderate as the route went on, but there were still sweeping views right across the county.

From Ayr, I had quite a few more options - I knew I had to be in Kilmarnock for my train home in the evening, so decided to carry on northwards at first and then cut inland. I decided to travel north to Prestwick and then take a train onwards for the short hop to Troon (having just missed the bus from Ayr) - from there I could connect onto an infrequent and mildly interesting route into the west end of Kilmarnock. From Ayr to Prestwick, I took the 2 service - one of many that trundle up the Prestwick Road between these two inseparable towns. This local route runs at a frequency of every 20 minutes and is now operated by electric Enviro buses - and has quite a few modern features like automatic next stop announcements and the newer style of grey seating Stagecoach now favour. It operates as a loop (heading out via the direct road to Prestwick but then returning via estates to the east of Prestwick and Ayr) but the other direction is numbered... 6! Unsurprisingly given the built up urban nature of the route there were plenty of passengers, many making short journeys either from Ayr to residential areas to the north or travelling locally into Prestwick.

I caught a train from Prestwick to Troon and had a bit of a wander there - in the sunny evening light, the expansive views across the bay were pretty stunning, even if the low tide meant there wasn't too much sea to see! I couldn't dawdle for too long though; my final bus of the day beckoned - another Stagecoach service, this time the number 10. Now if there was an award for most circuitous bus route, I think the 10 might be a contender - certainly within Troon it manages to loop around every housing estate possible. With vast numbers of new builds sprouting up at Barrassie, I can only see this route getting more winding in future! Once we had escaped the sprawl, it was a fairly fast and nondescript ride up to Kilmarnock - probably one of the quietest buses of the day, not helped by the parallel 11 having an excellent frequency as we entered Kilmarnock. I alighted at the railway station, found somewhere to get dinner and a few pints, and prepared myself for the long journey home...

So what did I think of my trip? Overall, it was enjoyable. I think the South West of Scotland is certainly an underrated area to visit - generally people would think of the Highlands if they were after stunning scenery in Scotland, perhaps not realising that there exists much of the same sort of terrain far further south. The buses I took were invariably clean and were either on time or only very marginally late, and loadings seemed to reflect that these services are important to local communities.

But if I had a minor piece of feedback, particularly for Stagecoach, it would be that the network in this area can be rather confusing. Buses can have the same number and destination but go different ways (the 52), buses often go on lengthy and confusing tours of peripheral parts of town (the 10), buses have wildly different numbers depending on direction (the 2/6). I also noticed further oddities like some buses being prefaced with a 3 (possibly based around SPT funding for marginal journeys?). I can sympathise with them though, and think they are doing a good job in what certainly isn't the most bus friendly place in Britain. The coal mining history means that "good bus territory" tends to be patchy and spread out, with long distances between areas which have strong bus usage (like Dalmellington or Cumnock) and their main towns for work, shopping, and recreation. As quite a traditional area, Stagecoach won't want to rock the boat with radical changes, but to really attract visitors or drivers locally they may want to try and make some of their routings and choices just that bit more clear!

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The River Nith at Dumfries

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Loch Ken from the 520 - there's several miles of this!

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New Galloway village

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Looking across Balmaclellan to the distant hills

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These really do loom large for much of the middle part of the journey...

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Distant views across to Loch Doon and the remote forests which surround it

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The gorge on approach to Dalmellington - photos can't really do it justice!

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Dalmellington town centre; the bus stop is behind me

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The view across the bay from a very sunny Troon
Re. scenic routes, the 585 Ayr-Largs (used to go beyond to Greenock) is a nice trip up the coast, which I've done a few times. It takes a most circuitous route through West Kilbride (you keep seeing the same bit again) which I've never been able to keep track of, making sense only when traced out on the Bustimes map.
 

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Apologies to @RELL6L and @NorthOxonian for my tardiness in responding. Can I just say that I hate you both... not really but I have massive FOMO/envy when I see the fabulous journeys that you've shared with us :lol:

As regards the North West adventures, I can say that I've only touched on some of those places on day 1, and never by public transport. It's probably about 2003 when I went to Slaidburn for work (don't ask) and probably about 10 years ago when mountain biking in Gisburn. I wouldn't even have contemplated it by bus so well done to @RELL6L for having the nerve to do it. I do like bits of East Lancashire and it's fair to say that even though Accrington is clearly deprived and down at heel (like many similar towns), it has some fantastic buildings. And of course, you only had a brief encounter with Carnforth :rolleyes:

The second day is much more familiar to me. I remember doing the Kendal to Penrith via Shap route and that is impressive enough. However, the 563 goes through some stunning countryside and yes, places like Appleby and Penrith are absolutely lovely. I like Kendal too though the bus station is a bit of a dive and always has been. Mind you, it replaced a truly awful black hole of Calcutta type place. I cycled with some mates a few years ago and passed via Forton and Knott End before getting the ferry across to Fleetwood where we stayed. The promenade and the park on the front is definitely the nicest bit of Fleetwood. We headed out for food in the evening and it's not a good place once you head back from the prom. However, good to see you enjoyed the best bits and then headed out.

As for @NorthOxonian, well I can say I've never heard of Loch Ken but what a journey that is. I've never done any travelling by bus in Dumfries and Galloway; it's a long way north for me. Of course, I have been both cycling and mountain biking up there, and on the former, me and my mate stopped for lunch in Dalmellington. You're right - it's a bit of a one horse town but it isn't a bad place at all. As for the Ayrshire coast, it is lovely in the right weather. Me and a mate headed out from Glasgow (it was the early days of Arriva so not this century) and went to Ayr (train?) then up to Ardrossan (nice coastal scenery, not the prettiest of towns). Ardrossan to Largs is much better. You have given me serious bus envy and I must sort out a trip to Scotland next year.

It's amazing how in the small rock that we live, and despite the fact that I go out reasonably regularly, there are so many fantastic places to visit. Thanks to you both for your photos and for sharing your experiences.
 

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If anyone ever has the opportunity to do the Ardrossan - Largs section of the coastal route (Stagecoach 585), the section north from Largs - Greenock via Gourock (McGill’s 901) is even better. On a pleasant sunny day it enjoys some stunning scenery, and it’s not bad even on the many non-sunny days!!
 

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If anyone ever has the opportunity to do the Ardrossan - Largs section of the coastal route (Stagecoach 585), the section north from Largs - Greenock via Gourock (McGill’s 901) is even better. On a pleasant sunny day it enjoys some stunning scenery, and it’s not bad even on the many non-sunny days!!
I've never done the 901 but have done its "sister" route the 906 - which doesn't offer quite as much of the coast but has some decent views of the Clyde and also passes Wemyss Bay. Even better was the 904, which cuts inland; the section up to Kilbirnie past the reservoirs is lovely. I got lucky with the weather that day; it was a proper McGills day for me and I had even hoped to do the X10 to get me back east (but I dawdled in Glasgow so just got the more functional X36 instead, at the cost of skirting the Trossachs).

One route which I am sad to have never got the chance to do is the 907 which heads across to Dunoon. One of those places that has always fascinated and mystified me - being technically on the mainland but in transport terms functioning almost like an island! There are still ferries from the Gourock area but no direct bus service through from Glasgow, and the indirect bus relies on deeply rural infrequent services and a change at remote Cairndow or Inveraray...
 

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One route which I am sad to have never got the chance to do is the 907 which heads across to Dunoon. One of those places that has always fascinated and mystified me - being technically on the mainland but in transport terms functioning almost like an island! There are still ferries from the Gourock area but no direct bus service through from Glasgow, and the indirect bus relies on deeply rural infrequent services and a change at remote Cairndow or Inveraray...
This is an area that I know very well. Dunoon itself, although having a nice seafront and outlook, is a bit run down in places. However, the whole of the Cowal Peninsula is a lovely area to visit with some wild and remote areas which are very quiet and not really visited by many tourists. My sister lived for almost 25 years at Benmore on the road out from Dunoon up to Cairndow and Inverary. Between 1995 and 2018, I visited the area at least twice a year, but in all those years never travelled on a bus! There was a bus stop on the Dunoon to Inverary and Lochgoilhead routes close to my sisters house but the timetable was always sparse and using my car far more practical. I was also very familiar with the coast road up from Ardrossan to Gourock, usually prefering that route to drive up there, turning off the motorway near Gretna Green and heading via Dumfries and up the Nith Valley, instead of the M74 and then M8 through Glasgow.

I can‘t believe it’s now October. I haven’t contributed to this thread since my long report #826 back in June following my week travelling by bus based in Aberdeen. I must write a report on some of my travels by bus during the last few months.
 

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Apologies to @RELL6L and @NorthOxonian for my tardiness in responding. Can I just say that I hate you both... not really but I have massive FOMO/envy when I see the fabulous journeys that you've shared with us :lol:

As regards the North West adventures, I can say that I've only touched on some of those places on day 1, and never by public transport. It's probably about 2003 when I went to Slaidburn for work (don't ask) and probably about 10 years ago when mountain biking in Gisburn. I wouldn't even have contemplated it by bus so well done to @RELL6L for having the nerve to do it. I do like bits of East Lancashire and it's fair to say that even though Accrington is clearly deprived and down at heel (like many similar towns), it has some fantastic buildings. And of course, you only had a brief encounter with Carnforth :rolleyes:

The second day is much more familiar to me. I remember doing the Kendal to Penrith via Shap route and that is impressive enough. However, the 563 goes through some stunning countryside and yes, places like Appleby and Penrith are absolutely lovely. I like Kendal too though the bus station is a bit of a dive and always has been. Mind you, it replaced a truly awful black hole of Calcutta type place. I cycled with some mates a few years ago and passed via Forton and Knott End before getting the ferry across to Fleetwood where we stayed. The promenade and the park on the front is definitely the nicest bit of Fleetwood. We headed out for food in the evening and it's not a good place once you head back from the prom. However, good to see you enjoyed the best bits and then headed out.

As for @NorthOxonian, well I can say I've never heard of Loch Ken but what a journey that is. I've never done any travelling by bus in Dumfries and Galloway; it's a long way north for me. Of course, I have been both cycling and mountain biking up there, and on the former, me and my mate stopped for lunch in Dalmellington. You're right - it's a bit of a one horse town but it isn't a bad place at all. As for the Ayrshire coast, it is lovely in the right weather. Me and a mate headed out from Glasgow (it was the early days of Arriva so not this century) and went to Ayr (train?) then up to Ardrossan (nice coastal scenery, not the prettiest of towns). Ardrossan to Largs is much better. You have given me serious bus envy and I must sort out a trip to Scotland next year.

It's amazing how in the small rock that we live, and despite the fact that I go out reasonably regularly, there are so many fantastic places to visit. Thanks to you both for your photos and for sharing your experiences.

I agree with the envy on reading a report on an area or route I haven't yet managed to cover, especially the Dumfries & Galloway one! I must commend parts of more rural Lancashire. Clitheroe is a thoroughly agreeable town and the route from there to Nelson is particularly scenic, going past Pendle Hill. The 11 is of course worth travelling as is the 280 and other services, and if you hurry there are still two B10BLE running all day boards on the 22 the Blackburn - I saw one of them when my 59 passed through. Most of the services are frequent enough that you can connect most options and even the 580/581/81/82 hikes from Skipton to Lancaster are doable with a bit of planning - and there's always the train back. Yes Accrington is a little down at heel but I thought it had some decent municipal architecture when I was there early summer last year, this time much of the central area was fenced off with works going on so maybe improvements are in progress too. And yes, I have actually managed to change trains in Carnforth, interesting station briefly! I did the 106 between Penrith and Kendal many years ago on a Gardner-engined National 2 when they were new, a scenic ride, and I remember the old bus station in Kendal.

One thing I forgot to mention in my post on the second day is that when the 563 was introduced there was apparently some ill-feeling as the route 'competes' with a couple of Western Dales services which cover it on certain days of the week. The 563 provides far more opportunities and runs 5 days a week and it would be a shame if it was undermined by some 'market day' services, but equally it would be a shame if those services were lost because when the BSIP money runs out it is hard to imagine some of these services continuing.

If anyone ever has the opportunity to do the Ardrossan - Largs section of the coastal route (Stagecoach 585), the section north from Largs - Greenock via Gourock (McGill’s 901) is even better. On a pleasant sunny day it enjoys some stunning scenery, and it’s not bad even on the many non-sunny days!!

I have actually done this section, but unfortunately it was raining. Had a business meeting in Glasgow with most of the day free before my flight home but a howling gale and drizzle made it less than scenic.

I would love to go over on the ferry to Dunoon and then back by bus via Inverary, ideally then Lochgilphead and Oban although this would be a very long day. The 907 going over on the ferry to Dunoon seems rather pointless when there are good coach/rail services to Gourock and then a frequent ferry.

Then there's lots I'd like to see in southern Scotland and so far recently I've just managed the one trip from Berwick via a great loop to Melrose, Galashiels, Peebles, Edinburgh, Musselburgh, North Berwick and Dunbar in summer 2022 (post 444 in this thread). Still hoping!
 

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I've never done the 901 but have done its "sister" route the 906 - which doesn't offer quite as much of the coast but has some decent views of the Clyde and also passes Wemyss Bay. Even better was the 904, which cuts inland; the section up to Kilbirnie past the reservoirs is lovely. I got lucky with the weather that day; it was a proper McGills day for me and I had even hoped to do the X10 to get me back east (but I dawdled in Glasgow so just got the more functional X36 instead, at the cost of skirting the Trossachs).

One route which I am sad to have never got the chance to do is the 907 which heads across to Dunoon. One of those places that has always fascinated and mystified me - being technically on the mainland but in transport terms functioning almost like an island! There are still ferries from the Gourock area but no direct bus service through from Glasgow, and the indirect bus relies on deeply rural infrequent services and a change at remote Cairndow or Inveraray...
Yes, a lot of people think Dunoon is on an island. I remember travelling on the 907, novel to go on the Western Ferry service. The service was operated by a white ex National Express Levante. Think I better write a trip report its been a while!

I also done the 563 route recently and was impressed. I took the service from Penrith to Kendal and looped back to Penrith on the 555 and 508. I may try and travel on the 509 as I think that's a new route too.

I never realised there was a 520 route from Dalmellington. A few years ago I must of taken the 356 from Cumnock to Dalmellington and 52 back to Ayr. I have travelled on the 359 from Girvan to Newton Stewart.
 
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Been ages since I had the opportunity to have an extended trip out. As it as, even my day was slightly truncated but here's my report of a trip around South Hants; an area that I'd not visited for a little while despite being relatively close. However, it had a few things that I fancied investigating so I made the best of it. Hope you enjoy.

I'd been visiting a friend near Winchester but rather than a trip locally, I headed slightly east and south for a day out. I drove down to Bursledon between Fareham and Southampton and stashed the car. I then wandered out to catch one of the Solent Ranger X4/X5 services to Fareham. I seem to recall that prior to Covid, these services were every 30 mins, providing a 15 min headway across common sections of the route. Nowadays, they run every 40 mins (so a very cockeyed headway) to form a 20 min headway on weekdays; however, as it was Saturday, the frequency is a very sparse hourly on each route. Being First, it has the new AI timetables so the headway slips as the day progresses. I waited and caught the First Solent X4 - like a number of routes, the X refers to only a proportion of the route, being a faster link from Portsmouth to Fareham. Elsewhere, it is very circuitous. However, I'd only had a short journey on a GB Kite before so an extended experience was quite welcome. Wearing the locally mandated blue Solent livery, it arrived bang on time and I bought a Go Solent multi operator ticket. The Kite is the all electric Wright single decker and I did find it quite pleasant as a passenger. The new First interior is clean and modern and we soon had a fairly full bus without ever having a standing passenger. We arrived at Fareham Station where I decamped, wandering via the underpass to the bus stop for Eclipse services to Gosport.
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Welcome to Fareham
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Hidden heritage - whilst Fareham was mainly Provincial and Hants & Dorset, Southdown had a small depot in Fareham station yard which is the building with the blue doors; think it closed c.1975


I've travelled on Eclipse services before, though since I last travelled, it has been extended a further 1km towards Gosport, and I missed the era of Streetlites operating the routes. Instead, it was another Kite and, testimony to the quality of the busway, it was a much faster and smoother journey. You wonder if the busway will get extended further? It really does show that a former rail alignment may never justify getting trains back but it could be reused for the benefit of public transport. Of course, this is non-guided and there are large gates to keep the hot hatches off the route. It was a very swift trip along before we exited the busway for local roads that highlighted a few squeaks from the Wright bodywork though nothing too heinous. At Gosport ferry, the bus station has recently closed - a relic of the 1970s that was almost preserved in aspic. It will be redeveloped and a smaller, more appropriate sized facility has opened though, in truth, it's just a large bus shelter. However, the old one was oversized and grim so won't be missed. After a coffee, I headed to the ferry and had the short trip to Portsmouth to go shopping at Gunwharf Quays. I'd always recommend a trip on the ferry to get a fabulous view of the harbour and the historic dockyard with HMS Warrior dominating the scene.

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The new Gosport interchange
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The old one looking very forlorn
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Heading to Portsmouth



I always think that Portsmouth's Hard Interchange is perhaps the best upgrade of a bus station in the country against what it replaced. However, it's currently shut as the concrete appears to be breaking up and needs replacement! So after my shopping expedition, I returned to hunt down my next bus at nearby replacement stops. I was going to head to a place I'd never visiting before, though rather than the Star branded vehicles, my bus to Waterlooville was an e200mmc that was formerly on the Eclipse services in Fareham. This is the thing with First Solent - they have two corridors where quality contracts exist and so the fleet gets regular replacement and is modern. The 8 runs every 15 mins to Waterlooville and involves large amount of bus priority and bus lanes, and my e200 was quite pleasant with its leather seats. Arriving in Waterlooville, it can only be said that the town centre is a dump. So many empty shop units and an overpowering feeling on neglect, as I had a wander round. Interestingly, the Wetherspoons is called the Denmead Queen after the local bus firm that used to run locally before Southdown bought them. The town may have been Southdown territory but is now a border town where First and Stagecoach share local routes. My next bus was the days oldest, with a rather tired looking 62 plate e200 to take me to Havant. This runs every 15 mins and takes in the large Leigh Park post war housing estate, built to house people who'd been bombed out during the WW2 attacks on Portsmouth. We weaved around the estate for ages - notably, most people have sacrificed their front garden for car parking in an area that would have been prime bus territory 40 years ago.

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Welcome to Waterlooville

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Havant bus station

Whilst I'd never been to Waterlooville, I had been to Havant but so long ago, Stagecoach were running Leyland Titans on local routes. In that time, a smart little bus station has been built where a sporadic scattering of bus shelters used to exist. This facility has a shop, toilets, and even a Stagecoach enquiry desk manned by an inspector. It's a busy little hub with services to Hayling Island, Leigh Park, along the coast to Chichester, and to Portsmouth. Time was marching on so I took the historic 700 bus back to Portsmouth; branded Coastliner, it wears a variation of the Stagecoach local livery. The route gained new e400mmc in 2023, with rather austere seating though with USB ports. The 700 is quick and in 20 mins, I'd retraced my steps passing through Hilsea where I could gaze on the awful flats on the site of the former Southdown depot, the West depot still in use with First, and the site of the new depot which is already being used for overflow parking. I got off in Portsmouth city centre, and hopped on the First X5 to take me back to Bursledon. The route affords great views of Portsmouth Harbour across from Portchester before arriving at Fareham (a rather bleak bus station yet modern) and then continuing back via Titchfield to Bursledon on another GB Kite. A sunny end to a full day.

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Peering into the site of the new First Portsmouth depot
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From Portchester towards Portsmouth


I have visited Portsmouth on many occasions and whilst the city centre is rather functional, the historic dockyard is a definite place to visit. Similarly, you can head to Gunwharf or continue down to Southsea and enjoy the views of the Solent. Gosport is a bit dull but it's perfectly fine and you do get the chance to use the ferry (which isn't part of Solent Go). I don't know if I'll head to Waterlooville again - it was a bit bleak and down on its luck whereas Havant did have a bit more energy. The ticket was just £7 which is great value and that does extend to Winchester, Southampton and Eastleigh if you have time (which I didn't). As I said, the First fleet is pretty modern with only a lone B9TL being more than 10 years old that I saw. There's a lot of Streetlites but plenty of new GB Kites and e200mmcs that provide a good age profile. The Stagecoach fleet is perhaps a bit older, less bound by the quality partnerships but still not bad. Portsmouth City Council and Hampshire County Council are quite pro public transport and that is evident with their investment in bus priority. A very interesting area. Hope you enjoyed this report.
 

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Been ages since I had the opportunity to have an extended trip out. As it as, even my day was slightly truncated but here's my report of a trip around South Hants; an area that I'd not visited for a little while despite being relatively close. However, it had a few things that I fancied investigating so I made the best of it. Hope you enjoy.

I'd been visiting a friend near Winchester but rather than a trip locally, I headed slightly east and south for a day out. I drove down to Bursledon between Fareham and Southampton and stashed the car. I then wandered out to catch one of the Solent Ranger X4/X5 services to Fareham. I seem to recall that prior to Covid, these services were every 30 mins, providing a 15 min headway across common sections of the route. Nowadays, they run every 40 mins (so a very cockeyed headway) to form a 20 min headway on weekdays; however, as it was Saturday, the frequency is a very sparse hourly on each route. Being First, it has the new AI timetables so the headway slips as the day progresses. I waited and caught the First Solent X4 - like a number of routes, the X refers to only a proportion of the route, being a faster link from Portsmouth to Fareham. Elsewhere, it is very circuitous. However, I'd only had a short journey on a GB Kite before so an extended experience was quite welcome. Wearing the locally mandated blue Solent livery, it arrived bang on time and I bought a Go Solent multi operator ticket. The Kite is the all electric Wright single decker and I did find it quite pleasant as a passenger. The new First interior is clean and modern and we soon had a fairly full bus without ever having a standing passenger. We arrived at Fareham Station where I decamped, wandering via the underpass to the bus stop for Eclipse services to Gosport.

Welcome to Fareham

Hidden heritage - whilst Fareham was mainly Provincial and Hants & Dorset, Southdown had a small depot in Fareham station yard which is the building with the blue doors; think it closed c.1975


I've travelled on Eclipse services before, though since I last travelled, it has been extended a further 1km towards Gosport, and I missed the era of Streetlites operating the routes. Instead, it was another Kite and, testimony to the quality of the busway, it was a much faster and smoother journey. You wonder if the busway will get extended further? It really does show that a former rail alignment may never justify getting trains back but it could be reused for the benefit of public transport. Of course, this is non-guided and there are large gates to keep the hot hatches off the route. It was a very swift trip along before we exited the busway for local roads that highlighted a few squeaks from the Wright bodywork though nothing too heinous. At Gosport ferry, the bus station has recently closed - a relic of the 1970s that was almost preserved in aspic. It will be redeveloped and a smaller, more appropriate sized facility has opened though, in truth, it's just a large bus shelter. However, the old one was oversized and grim so won't be missed. After a coffee, I headed to the ferry and had the short trip to Portsmouth to go shopping at Gunwharf Quays. I'd always recommend a trip on the ferry to get a fabulous view of the harbour and the historic dockyard with HMS Warrior dominating the scene.


The new Gosport interchange

The old one looking very forlorn

Heading to Portsmouth



I always think that Portsmouth's Hard Interchange is perhaps the best upgrade of a bus station in the country against what it replaced. However, it's currently shut as the concrete appears to be breaking up and needs replacement! So after my shopping expedition, I returned to hunt down my next bus at nearby replacement stops. I was going to head to a place I'd never visiting before, though rather than the Star branded vehicles, my bus to Waterlooville was an e200mmc that was formerly on the Eclipse services in Fareham. This is the thing with First Solent - they have two corridors where quality contracts exist and so the fleet gets regular replacement and is modern. The 8 runs every 15 mins to Waterlooville and involves large amount of bus priority and bus lanes, and my e200 was quite pleasant with its leather seats. Arriving in Waterlooville, it can only be said that the town centre is a dump. So many empty shop units and an overpowering feeling on neglect, as I had a wander round. Interestingly, the Wetherspoons is called the Denmead Queen after the local bus firm that used to run locally before Southdown bought them. The town may have been Southdown territory but is now a border town where First and Stagecoach share local routes. My next bus was the days oldest, with a rather tired looking 62 plate e200 to take me to Havant. This runs every 15 mins and takes in the large Leigh Park post war housing estate, built to house people who'd been bombed out during the WW2 attacks on Portsmouth. We weaved around the estate for ages - notably, most people have sacrificed their front garden for car parking in an area that would have been prime bus territory 40 years ago.


Welcome to Waterlooville


Havant bus station


Whilst I'd never been to Waterlooville, I had been to Havant but so long ago, Stagecoach were running Leyland Titans on local routes. In that time, a smart little bus station has been built where a sporadic scattering of bus shelters used to exist. This facility has a shop, toilets, and even a Stagecoach enquiry desk manned by an inspector. It's a busy little hub with services to Hayling Island, Leigh Park, along the coast to Chichester, and to Portsmouth. Time was marching on so I took the historic 700 bus back to Portsmouth; branded Coastliner, it wears a variation of the Stagecoach local livery. The route gained new e400mmc in 2023, with rather austere seating though with USB ports. The 700 is quick and in 20 mins, I'd retraced my steps passing through Hilsea where I could gaze on the awful flats on the site of the former Southdown depot, the West depot still in use with First, and the site of the new depot which is already being used for overflow parking. I got off in Portsmouth city centre, and hopped on the First X5 to take me back to Bursledon. The route affords great views of Portsmouth Harbour across from Portchester before arriving at Fareham (a rather bleak bus station yet modern) and then continuing back via Titchfield to Bursledon on another GB Kite. A sunny end to a full day.


Peering into the site of the new First Portsmouth depot


From Portchester towards Portsmouth


I have visited Portsmouth on many occasions and whilst the city centre is rather functional, the historic dockyard is a definite place to visit. Similarly, you can head to Gunwharf or continue down to Southsea and enjoy the views of the Solent. Gosport is a bit dull but it's perfectly fine and you do get the chance to use the ferry (which isn't part of Solent Go). I don't know if I'll head to Waterlooville again - it was a bit bleak and down on its luck whereas Havant did have a bit more energy. The ticket was just £7 which is great value and that does extend to Winchester, Southampton and Eastleigh if you have time (which I didn't). As I said, the First fleet is pretty modern with only a lone B9TL being more than 10 years old that I saw. There's a lot of Streetlites but plenty of new GB Kites and e200mmcs that provide a good age profile. The Stagecoach fleet is perhaps a bit older, less bound by the quality partnerships but still not bad. Portsmouth City Council and Hampshire County Council are quite pro public transport and that is evident with their investment in bus priority. A very interesting area. Hope you enjoyed this report.

Interesting report as always from some familiar places. Agreed there's not much to commend Waterlooville, depressing town yet good countryside not far away. Havant is a little better. Good to see the end of the old bus station in Gosport, walking along the waterfont here is OK but not much else. Fareham also seems OK by the river. And I agree about Portsmouth, this has an interesting old area of the city, plus of course the maritime area (took the kids to HMS Victory years ago) while going round to Southsea is quite attractive. I don't think I've been to Porchester but that looks OK. The Gosport ferry gives good views, so for that matter does the Ryde one. But it all looks rather bleak in the total cloud we have had for so long. The area has never struck me as particularly good bus territory, except for routes like the Leigh Park one, perhaps because it just seems like there have been years of retrenchment by First and it now seems a shadow of the former Portsmouth municipal network of old. And Streetlites are hardly a substitute for Leyland Atlanteans, perhaps the electric buses coming in will be an improvement!

Here's a couple of my pictures (from 2014) of the old part of Portsmouth and the cathedral.

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I haven't managed to do anything much recently. We did go to Malta for a few days and got ourselves around by bus. Very good services and easy to find your way around with timetables easy to find online and an awful lot of information is easily accessible using Google maps on the phone provided you knew some basics - like which routes go where and therefore what you are looking for. Staying in an area called Bugibba we were able to get to Valetta, returning via a ferry to Sliema and then a bus, to Mdina returning via some ghastly artisan village (aka building site) and to Gozo using buses either side of the ferry. On Gozo, after visiting Victoria, we did succumb to the open top sightseeing bus (an ex First London 11-plate E400) as this covered much more of the island. The local buses were cheap (free to residents), well presented, pretty frequent, well used and seemed very reliable with plenty of stand time. Major negative, lots of them had contravision all over them making views (and especially photos looking out) extremely poor. The mainstay of the fleet was Turkish Otokar buses with toilet boxes and Cummins engines, these were quite lively and sounded very like Pulsars. Also some King Longs (we went on one, it seemed quite refined) and a handful of electric buses. I saw one Citaro (rigid) being used as a training bus so presumably these are the most recently withdrawn type. I presume the artic of the disastrous Arriva days are long gone. Just one or two very old buses to be seen doing local tours dating back to the old days of the private owners.

On the open top tours there were Tridents / E400s, Scanias, Ayats and I definitely saw at least one Volvo D10M/Citybus. The one we took around Gozo, which runs every 45 minutes to tie in with the ferries, went almost everywhere and kept up a good turn of speed down some pretty narrow roads, although it struggled up the steeper hills. A good ride for €20 each.
 

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Thanks @RELL6L - your photos were taken on a much nicer day. Don't worry - I have more photos from another trip and they're even drearier :lol: (though only because of the weather, not the location).

Coincidentally enough, I was in Malta earlier this year and had similar experiences. Did a hop on/hop off open top tour around much of Malta (St Julians, Valletta, etc) that was operated by many ex London deckers - seem to recall many B7TLs with Plaxton President or ALX400; we had an extended stop in Marsaxlokk. We also took advantage of the 5 day (?) bus ticket to travel across the island and yes, we headed to Mdina on a King Long. These were single door which was fine for the route though I suspect may have been ex Arriva and so getting on; it certainly struggled with the climb. However, most were Otakars and as you say, a lot were in overall ads with contravision which we mostly used to get into Valletta. There were a few electric buses too. It was ok but did see quite a few full buses leaving people behind.
 

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Thanks @RELL6L - your photos were taken on a much nicer day. Don't worry - I have more photos from another trip and they're even drearier :lol: (though only because of the weather, not the location).

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I really enjoy the photos on this thread,even the ones of the perhaps less attractive locations.
 

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Hinckley to London via The Scenic Route. **NOTE - MOST PHOTO'S ARE VIDEO STILLS SO PLEASE EXCUSE THE QUALITY**.

On Saturday 9th November, I undertook a bus timetable challenge to see if I could go from my local bus stop in Hinckley, Leicestershire all the way to Trafalgar Square in Central London.

The first bus of the day was Arriva's Route 158 which would take me on my first leg to Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station, this trip was also free, as on every Saturday throughout the month of November, any bus journey that starts AND terminates in Leicestershire is free all day, I believe this is a Leicestershire County Council incentive.

Upon arriving into Leicester, I had a short walk to Haymarket Bus Station for my next bus; Stagecoach Midlands route X7 which would take me to Northampton by way of Kibworth Harcourt and Market Harborough, the £2.00 flat cap fare is certainly good value on this, and before long we reached Northampton.

I had to leave Northampton Northgate Bus Station and head out onto The Drapery for Bus #3 of this odyssey, this was an other Stagecoach operated route; X6 and was also my first double decker of the day and would go as far as Milton Keynes Central Station.

Bus #4, and another Stagecoach route and another double decker was the MK1 from Milton Keynes Central to Luton Railway Station, and would see a lively sprint down the M1 on part of the route, one highlight was running alongside the Luton - Dunstable guided busway, however it seemed to be shut in part. It's actually something I would like to try out; a guided bus.

Bus #5, and we're reacquainted with Arriva with their Route 321 from Luton Railway Station to Watford Junction Railway Station, which in my opinion was probably the slowest part of the day going through towns like Harpenden and St. Albans, I sat by the emergency door (bus was a Wright Streetlite DF) and was certainly grateful of the extra legroom.

Bus #6 and it is my FIRST EVER electric bus to travel on, an ADL Enviro400EV on Route 142 from Watford Junction to Edgware LU Station, during the course of the trip however the driver was advised to terminate the bus short at West Hendon Broadway as opposed to going straight through to Brent Cross, didn't affect going to Edgware though.

Bus #7 and it was a relatively quick trip to Golders Green LU Station from Edgware LU Station on Route 240.

Bus #8 and the last bus of the trip; Metroline's Route 139 from Golders Green LU Station to Trafalgar Square, getting off of the bus in Trafalgar Square the clock stopped at 10 hours, 5 minutes and 52 seconds.

TOTAL COST:

  • £FREE 158 Hinckley - Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station.
  • £2.00 X7 Leicester Haymarket Bus Station - Northampton Northgate Bus Station.
  • £2.00 X6 The Drapery, Northampton - Milton Keynes Central Rail Station.
  • £2.00 MK1 Milton Keynes Central Rail Station - Luton Rail Station.
  • £2.00 321 Luton Rail Station - Watford Junction Rail Station.
  • £6.20 142 Watford Junction Rail Station - Edgware LU Station.
  • ------ 240 Edgware Bus Station - Golders Green Bus Station.
  • ------ 139 Golders Green Bus Station - Trafalgar Square.
  • ------ Tube from Charing Cross to London Euston.

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First Bus of the day from my local bus stop; Arriva Route 158 from Hinckley Bus Station to Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station.E.JPG
A timed stop at The Square in Market Harborough on Route X7.N.JPG
Running alongside the guided busway between Dunstable and Luton whilst on Route MK1.R.JPG
You can get "Hammered" here; The Three Hammers in Mill Hill Village as we meet another Route 240 bus.U.jpg
The Last Bus; Metroline's Route 139 from Golders Green to Trafalgar Square.X.JPG
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As do the lights on Regent Street.Z.jpg
Journey's End: Trafalgar Square.


I also did a video of the trip if anyone is interested,

Thank You :)
 

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Hinckley to London via The Scenic Route. **NOTE - MOST PHOTO'S ARE VIDEO STILLS SO PLEASE EXCUSE THE QUALITY**.

On Saturday 9th November, I undertook a bus timetable challenge to see if I could go from my local bus stop in Hinckley, Leicestershire all the way to Trafalgar Square in Central London.

The first bus of the day was Arriva's Route 158 which would take me on my first leg to Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station, this trip was also free, as on every Saturday throughout the month of November, any bus journey that starts AND terminates in Leicestershire is free all day, I believe this is a Leicestershire County Council incentive.

Upon arriving into Leicester, I had a short walk to Haymarket Bus Station for my next bus; Stagecoach Midlands route X7 which would take me to Northampton by way of Kibworth Harcourt and Market Harborough, the £2.00 flat cap fare is certainly good value on this, and before long we reached Northampton.

I had to leave Northampton Northgate Bus Station and head out onto The Drapery for Bus #3 of this odyssey, this was an other Stagecoach operated route; X6 and was also my first double decker of the day and would go as far as Milton Keynes Central Station.

Bus #4, and another Stagecoach route and another double decker was the MK1 from Milton Keynes Central to Luton Railway Station, and would see a lively sprint down the M1 on part of the route, one highlight was running alongside the Luton - Dunstable guided busway, however it seemed to be shut in part. It's actually something I would like to try out; a guided bus.

Bus #5, and we're reacquainted with Arriva with their Route 321 from Luton Railway Station to Watford Junction Railway Station, which in my opinion was probably the slowest part of the day going through towns like Harpenden and St. Albans, I sat by the emergency door (bus was a Wright Streetlite DF) and was certainly grateful of the extra legroom.

Bus #6 and it is my FIRST EVER electric bus to travel on, an ADL Enviro400EV on Route 142 from Watford Junction to Edgware LU Station, during the course of the trip however the driver was advised to terminate the bus short at West Hendon Broadway as opposed to going straight through to Brent Cross, didn't affect going to Edgware though.

Bus #7 and it was a relatively quick trip to Golders Green LU Station from Edgware LU Station on Route 240.

Bus #8 and the last bus of the trip; Metroline's Route 139 from Golders Green LU Station to Trafalgar Square, getting off of the bus in Trafalgar Square the clock stopped at 10 hours, 5 minutes and 52 seconds.

TOTAL COST:

  • £FREE 158 Hinckley - Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station.
  • £2.00 X7 Leicester Haymarket Bus Station - Northampton Northgate Bus Station.
  • £2.00 X6 The Drapery, Northampton - Milton Keynes Central Rail Station.
  • £2.00 MK1 Milton Keynes Central Rail Station - Luton Rail Station.
  • £2.00 321 Luton Rail Station - Watford Junction Rail Station.
  • £6.20 142 Watford Junction Rail Station - Edgware LU Station.
  • ------ 240 Edgware Bus Station - Golders Green Bus Station.
  • ------ 139 Golders Green Bus Station - Trafalgar Square.
  • ------ Tube from Charing Cross to London Euston.

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First Bus of the day from my local bus stop; Arriva Route 158 from Hinckley Bus Station to Leicester St. Margaret's Bus Station.View attachment 169165
A timed stop at The Square in Market Harborough on Route X7.View attachment 169166
Running alongside the guided busway between Dunstable and Luton whilst on Route MK1.View attachment 169167
You can get "Hammered" here; The Three Hammers in Mill Hill Village as we meet another Route 240 bus.View attachment 169168
The Last Bus; Metroline's Route 139 from Golders Green to Trafalgar Square.View attachment 169169
The lights on Oxford Street look pretty.View attachment 169170
As do the lights on Regent Street.View attachment 169171
Journey's End: Trafalgar Square.


I also did a video of the trip if anyone is interested,

Thank You :)
No need to apologise for the photos - they're as good if not better than my usual postings :lol:

Moreover, that's a great adventure. A real escapade and nice to get the contrast between the rural and the city. I seldom do a point to point (for the obvious logistical reasons) so to read one is a nice change. As a coincidence, one of the few I've done (from the West Country to the Midlands) finished in one of your photo locations of Market Harborough.

Really enjoyed the read - hope to see more of your adventures!
 

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I can’t believe that it’s as long ago as the beginning of June since I last posted in this thread. That was my long report about my week in NE Scotland based in Aberdeen. Thanks to everyone who has posted interesting reports since then. It’s always interesting to read about places I have been to in the past and many ideas of new places visit. I have been out and about since my Aberdeen report, I just hadn’t got around to writing any reports. Here are two reports from some of my bus travels this summer.

FOLKESTONE
Early in June I visited Folkestone for a few days. It must be about 8 years since I was last in that part of Kent and I really noticed how much Stagecoach have cut back their routes in East Kent since my last visit. On arrival at Folkestone Central Station I was no longer able to get a direct bus to my hotel just off the Hythe Road. It was only a walk of about 20 minutes so I didn’t bother to walk to the bus station. Last time I visited, the number 16 bus from Canterbury ran through to Hythe via Folkestone rail and bus stations. I see from recent posts in another thread that a reorganisation of the 102 route has recently taken place which restores the link between the station to that area of Folkestone and out to Hythe and beyond.

I didn’t travel too widely by bus during my short visit because I wanted to do some coastal walking and have a day down at Dungeness travelling on the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway, something I do every time I’m in that area. As the frequent Stagecoach 102 bus ran close to my hotel I used this quite frequently. I travelled down to New Romney and back up from Dymchurch on my trip to Dungeness. I also used the 102 on three days to travel into Dover. I always think the views from the top of the hill towards Folkestone are fantastic from this bus. I did break by journey one morning to visit the Battle of Britain Memorial at Capel-le-Ferne, I've been a couple of times before many years ago, but I always find it quite moving. I also had a good few hours one day visiting Dover Castle as it is about 25 years since I previously visited it. After visiting Dover Castle I got the the 81 bus up to Sandwich which is a very interesting historic town to wander around. I returned from Sandwich to Folkestone via Canterbury using the 43 bus to Canterbury. Instead of getting the direct Stagecoach 16 bus back to Folkestone I used the 17 which I think is a far more scenic route through some very attractive villages down the Elham Valley. When I was last in the area I had a whole day out on the 17 route walking between villages on sections of the Elham Valley Trail.

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Battle of Britain Memorial

Since my last visit to the area the bus routes north of Dover have really been cut back. Previously there was quite a network of bus routes around the villages inland from Dover, Deal and Sandwich and even through buses from Dover to Ramsgate. Two places I wanted to visit were Walmer Castle followed by a walk along the coast into Deal and St. Margaret's Bay to walk along the White Cliffs back to Dover. The only regular bus service now in that direction out of Dover is the Stagecoach 81 to Deal and Sandwich. I really feel sorry for the people who live in St. Margaret's Bay and the larger village of St. Margaret at Cliff. They used to have roughly hourly, fairly direct buses to both Dover and Deal. Now they only have the number 93 with just 5 journeys a day to Dover and only 3 to Deal. I used this bus from Dover on 2 days and it now takes 35 minutes to do the short distance from Dover to St. Margaret's via some extremely narrow lanes and the villages of Guston, East Langden, Martin and Martin Mill. It was worth it as the walk along the coast from St. Margaret's Bay is wonderful especially along the White Cliffs to Dover. The other thing I missed was the through buses on the 102 in the other direction from Folkestone to Hastings. It somewhat put me off travelling in that direction having to change buses at Lydd, as I did like visiting places like Rye, Winchelsea and Pett Levels the last time I was down there.

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Footpath between St. Margaret's Bay and Dover along the White Ciffs

Finally I must add that I was quite impressed in the way that the harbour area at Folkestone has been tidied up and developed since my last visit. It had looked very run down and depressed but is now looking much better. I loved the restoration of Folkestone Harbour Station and the approach to it with all the wild flowers.

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Folkestone Harbour Station and approach

PICKERING
At the very end of July I stayed a week in Pickering in North Yorkshire at the very comfortable Forest and Vale Hotel. I have had a few stays there in last few years. Having visited the North York Moors Railway on previous visits I didn't bother this time as it was peak time and school holidays. I used my car quite a lot during the week visiting lovely villages close by and walking in quiet countryside but I did have a few trips out by bus.

There are only really 2 usable bus services through Pickering. These are the East Yorkshire 128 which runs between Scarborough and Helmsley and the Transdev Coastliner 840 from Leeds/York to Thornton-le-Dale, with 4 buses a day extended through to Whitby. On 2 days I used the 128 into Scarborough and another day in the other direction to Helmsley. In both directions the 128 passes through some very nice villages with stone cottages complete with red pantile roofs. There are a number of deviations from the main road through these villages with the great views from the top of a double decker operating on this route. Since my first visit to Pickering the timetable on the 128 has been reduced from hourly to now only 2 hourly. The buses I used on this route were all very well loaded with the 0925 departure from Pickering into Scarborough and the 1630 return being extremely busy. I really do think that this route needs an hourly service during the summer. On one of the days on arrival in Scarborough I had a trip past the numerous large holiday camos down to Filey on the East Yorkshire number 10. On reaching Filey I had a walk along the cliffs to the end of Filey Brigg. On another day from Scarborough I caught the Arriva number X93 up to Robins Hood Bay. I returned from there on the summer only X94 which returns into Scarborough via Peasholme Palk and after a walk around the park I walked the whole length of the sea front from the North Bay to the South Bay. There was then just time to get some wonderful fried in beef dripping fish and chips from the Lifeboat Chippie, before getting the very busy 128 back to Pickering. On another day I travelled up to Helmsley on the 128 and visited the Walled Garden before doing one of my favourite walks along part of the Cleveland Way to Rievaulx Abbey. With the 128 being only 2 hourly you have to be very careful with timings to avoid a long wait if you just miss a bus, although Helmsley is a very pleasant town to be in on a sunny day.

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Helmsley Walled Garden

I used the Transdev Coastliner 840 one day to visit Kirkham Priory and Malton. To reach the ruins of Kirkham Priory you have to get off the 840 at a bus stop on the busy dual carriageway stretch of the A64 near Whitwell-on-the-Hill between Malton and York. It's then a walk down a steep hill to the priory situated at the side of the River Derwent close to a level crossing and signal box on the York to Scarborough Railway. It was a very quiet and peaceful spot and to make it a circular walk I returned to a bus stop on the A64 along a footpath through woods and up a steep hill. The bus stop I used had a pull in for the bus and a bus shelter, the Coastliner 843 bus back towards Malton was travelling at speed along the dual carriageway and although I signalled very clearly to the bus in good time he had to pull up very sharply and missed the pull in resulting me having to walk along the grass verge to reach the bus. It was probably a stop that is rarely used and it was just over the brow of a hill so the bus driver would not see me until he was quite close. I travelled into Malton and had a wander around before getting the 840 back passing through Pickering to Thornton-le-Dale. Thornton is very much a tourist hotspot and from there I did another walk of just a couple of miles to the remote small hamlet of Ellerburn and back before getting another 840 back to Pickering. I've been on the Coastliner 840 from Pickering to Whitby on a previous visit so decided to give that a miss this time as Whitby would be very crowded during the school holiday.

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River Derwent and signal box at Kirkham Priory

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Thornton-le-Dale
 
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Thanks to @ChrisC for that post, and some super sunny photos there. Kent isn't an area that I know particularly well. I've cycled past the BoB Memorial when doing a charity bike ride to Paris, and I really must go there sometime. Me and the better half did have a trip to Kent a few years ago but around Tunbridge Wells and whilst we had a trip down through the Weald to Rye and Dungeness, we didn't go any further east. Similarly, I've been to Dover and Thanet with work; I had heard good things about Folkestone (been 10 years since I've been there?) and clearly I need to visit as it looks and sounds really quite interesting.

Being North Yorkshire born, I'm a lot more familiar with the Pickering area. I don't think I would know where Kirkham Priory is, let alone get a bus there. Good on you for coming up with interesting places to visit by bus. In that respect, you're better than me! And yes, you probably made the right call about Whitby.

**** NEW TRIP REPORT ****

I've also had a trip report to write but only for a couple of weeks, so I apologise for the unremitting gloom of the photos. I know that @RELL6L is much more sensible in waiting for good weather and longer days. However, I had a very specific opportunity to get out so apologise in advance. Also, I've gone for an urban exploration rather than rolling countryside but I hope it's interesting (esp. to @winston270twm)

Dislike is perhaps too strong a word but I wasn't a fan of the West Midlands (as in the county) when I occasionally visited 30 years ago. However, when work led me to work more locally, I began to revise my opinion. A period in the early 2000s saw me visiting regularly when every journey involved several Metrobuses and whilst I don't visit very often, I do enjoy it when I get the chance. So it was an early start as I left my budget hotel and headed to Brownhills, naturally as it's a former mining town! It was easy to park the car and my first bus was a National Express West Mids (NXWM) e400mmc branded for the Brownhills to Birmingham route. Armed with a multi-operator day ticket, we did a shortish trip to Aldridge. NXWM vehicles are quite pleasant internally and this was decent as we meandered around a few suburban enclaves. Off at Aldridge and time for a quick Costa takeaway ready for my next trip to Sutton Coldfield. This is one of the less high profile routes and so I shouldn't have been surprised that it was an older vehicle - a 20 year old Trident with ALX bodywork. It did get me thinking that I'd not been on a Trident for a while and they are quickly disappearing (as are B7TLs) and it won't be long before another era closes. We quickly filled up with schoolkids but they were fairly well behaved and we made our way through more leafy suburbs as you pass through footballers wives territory in Little Aston. I wasn't thinking of a quick change but on arriving at Sutton, there was a bus loading so I hopped straight from one to another.
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First bus of the day in Aldridge
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Beautiful Chelmsley Wood

Checking back through the archives, the next few hours is strangely similar to a journey I did in 2001 (!) so perhaps that displayed a lack of imagination? I swear I hadn't checked beforehand and perhaps I should have. However, instead of heading from Sutton to the Airport (on the now lost 966), I caught the 71 to Chelmsley Wood. This was a 2007 Scania Omnilink, one of the oldest still going and in very tidy condition. However, it is far from quick - a hour to make the relatively short journey as you pass through areas of Castle Vale and Minworth and then a very circuitous route. Passenger numbers were again healthy with schoolkids including mums taking kids to primary school. We arrived at Chelmsley Wood interchange... which is a misnomer. It's really just some bus stops by the shopping precinct. It was also at this point that one of the complaints that I've heard about NXWM came into play - service reliability! Buses to Birmingham Airport (and my planned trip to Coventry) were massively delayed and some clearly missing. Even the frequent 72 to Solihull was also showing gaps but it was a better better than waiting for the X12 so I went for that, though my delay meant I could grab a Greggs bacon bap and take in the rather depressing surroundings of this shopping centre on a post-war council estate.

The 72 duly arrived and this is another observation, perhaps driven by staff and vehicle availability. It had a real polarisation of vehicle type - definitely some very modern fleet but also some of the oldest in the fleet, all working the same route. I had the latter with a rather tired B7TL Gemini into its 22nd year which was, I have to say, driven "with spirit". In fact, it seemed the driver regarded passengers as an encumbrance; it did remind me of those days when I'd hurtle through the Black Country on some Mk2 Metrobus. I bailed at Sheldon by the A45 in order to catch the X1 to Coventry - again, complaints amongst waiting passengers of missing journeys and the one we were waiting for appeared to be the first for a while and running late too. However, it duly arrived and was one of the many new e400evs allocated to Coventry. Now, I have to say that other than the 36 in Yorkshire, this was one of the smartest looking vehicles internally I've travelled on. It was really special with comfortable seats and mood lighting and yet it's just part of the general Coventry allocation. The build quality also seemed better than standard ADL too. So all good? Well, I say this all positively but there was something of a spillage (or worse) on the front of the top deck - at best, it was a chocolate milkshake but at worst.... o_O It was away from me but I could see it and it was making me queasy so I relocated downstairs. Another observation is that the X1 operates via Allesley Green and Allesley Village, and that whilst the X1 also serves Meriden (and probably rightly so), I wonder if it's the best idea for the X1 to have so many diversions. I appreciate it was probably to replace some other local service but it does feel counterproductive to have too many deviations. We arrived into Coventry, and Pool Meadow bus station. I know that it had been a long time since I'd visited but it's still a deeply depressing bus station. It feels dark and miserable. I took the chance to have a wander (I've visited the Cathedral and the Transport Museum in the past) around the city centre which is an interesting mix of old and post war. As many know, Coventry was severely bombed in 1942 and much of the historic centre destroyed although some bits did survive. Whilst the 1950s/1960s rebuild wasn't to everyone's taste, I find it interesting. The local bus fleet has been replaced with many of those e400evs though some older machines survive whilst you have some variety with Stagecoach running in plus the occasional Arriva vehicle.

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Coventry brutalist architecture
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Coventry history


After a while, I went back to the bus station for my next bus. Whereas in 2001, it was a 192, the same route (I think) is now the 82 and is operated by Stagecoach from their Nuneaton depot as a tender gained in the last few years (from Diamond/Johnsons). It was a standard e200 though after NXWM/NX Cov, it was a bit brash in terms of internal colour schemes and the amount of adverts. We had a reasonable load of about a dozen and headed back through Allesley towards Solihull on what is an interurban run through the limit green belt that separates Cov from the larger West Mids conurbation. Solihull is very much one of the more affluent towns in the West Mids and the town centre is still quiet busy and buoyant. I stayed on to the station though where most buses congregate. My next choice was an orbital route and the 49 (which bizarrely is what I did 23 years ago as I subsequently discovered). Sadly, I ended up waiting longer as another missing NXWM journey delayed me. I hadn't anticipated being in Solihull - a place I've visited many times with a friend who lives locally. However, a further 20 mins was enjoyed at Solihull before another elderly Trident appeared - another 2004 example that would take me around the southern edge of the conurbation. This was again driven quite positively and we were bounding along through some rather nonedescript territory. I alighted at Maypole (which was where the 2001 mirroring ceased) right on the border with Worcestershire where green fields beckon. However, it was time to head back and towards Birmingham. I waited for one of the frequent service 50's that Diamond and NXWM operate. Diamond were also missing a journey so it was an NXWM e400mmc that arrived with appropriate route branding. This is one of the busiest services in the country with a bus every 4 mins (allegedly) in peak and we had a good load as we headed into the city, passing by the former tram and bus depot in Moseley and the new train station being built.

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On the edge of things at Maypole
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The sights and sounds of Christmas
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The Midland Metro in Birmingham


The Birmingham Christmas markets were in busy with the smell of roasted nuts, gluhwein, and bratworst emanating from the stalls. The delays at Solihull and Maypole meant I was up against time (a bit) against what I wanted to do so whilst I did fancy spending a bit of time in the city, I had other plans. I'd not experienced the tram up to Edgbaston Village (yeah, I know - how not?) so I had a quick excursion on that. Problems with ticket machines mean that trams have conductors at the moment? Anyhow, we passed up Broad Street, and I got off at the Edgbaston Village terminus (it isn't a village btw) and the caught the 12 to Oldbury, one of the Hagley Road routes. It was my second Omnilink but newer being a 10 plate and well loaded as dusk was beginning to encroach. This route takes you on a tour of the roads less travelled around the back of Bearwood and Cape Hill and all was going well until somewhere in Blackheath when having taken on a passenger, the doors closed but the bus would not pull away. I suspect a sensor must be have playing up and triggering the interlock so the handbrake would not disengage. Several times the driver tried opening and closing doors and attempting to pull away. Then several turning off the engine and then restarting. He then motioned for us to get off and we did whilst he spoke to the depot. He then started the bus again, and suddenly the Scania self-healed! So we all got back on and all was fine to Oldbury! Oldbury Interchange is another misnomer (like Chelmsley Wood). In fact, Oldbury used to have a bus station (I think adjacent to this spot) but now it's just a handful of bus stops. To be honest, there's not much to say about Oldbury - it's not exactly a destination. Except for one thing - the knife angel. A piece of modern art constructed from knives handed in during an amnesty and put up to act as a warning to knife crime.

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The knife angel

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Arrival in Walsall

I had options in my penultimate trip with either NXWM or Diamond. As it was, the next bus to West Brom and Walsall was a Diamond Streetlite. Now this was a notable journey in so far as it was well driven (which hasn't always been my experience with Diamond WM) and the bus was clean and tidy. In fact, with the lack of any internal advertising, it was a bit stark but the seats were comfortable. Also, the ride quality was perfectly fine and even the emergency door handle didn't rattle nor was there any excessive vibration when idling. Most Streetlites I've travelled on are 2013 to 2017 vintage - this is newer so is it that build quality had actually improved? The journey itself was nothing exceptional though I always like travelling through Caldmore as we enter Walsall, simply for its energy and diversity. My final trip was on a standard NXWM Eclipse which had to grind through the now peak traffic before depositing me back to Brownhills.

I have to say that I've always thought NXWM and its predecessors to be one of the better firms in the country, helped by a tight network and loyal public fostered by the Travelcard. That seems to be unwinding - there's been a strike, TfWM are removing some of the competitive advantages, and there's been a loss of direction from the management. A business that had a clear focus seems a bit lost, not helped by staff shortages and unreliability. However, I still think that it's better than many and you really should experience the new fleet of EVs. Stagecoach are as they always are (though the fleet is looking a bit dated) and Diamond are still a curate's egg with some newer fleet rubbing shoulders with some quite dowdy older stuff. However, it is an area of contrasts from ex mining towns like Brownhills, pockets of affluence like Little Aston, Sutton and Solihull, bits of countryside and then inner city spots like Moseley and Cape Hill. I tend to head to the Black Country but a trip to Cov was long overdue and you really should visit the city.

Hope you found this interesting even if the photos aren't to the high standards of others.
 

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Another interesting report @TheGrandWazoo. I was brought up in Oxford so was easily able to visit the Birmingham area in my mis-spent youth but, unlike you, I never thought to keep detailed records. However, your report reminded me of a journey round the Bloxwich Circular route on a Walsall Willowbrook bodied Sunbeam trolleybus on a November day in freezing fog, something which will forever be seared into my memory.
 

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I have thought about posting a trip on here for some time but to my astonishment found that I had not been out for a tour by bus since last November.

This morning I caught the 0930 Peter Hogg route 20 from Kelso to Hawick. The bus was a very tidy Alexander Dennis E200 fitted with seatbelts registered AH06 BUS new as YX72 OJR and named Betty Boop. It was a pleasant unhurried ride along a rather chilly Teviot Valley with frost on the grass. I joined 4 others on the bus, 3 of whom travelled as far as Jedburgh where 6 boarded. Our next stop was in the attractive village of Denholm then gradually uplifting passengers until there were 17 of us on arrival at the Mart Street terminus around 3 minutes late at 1028.

Not wishing to stay in Hawick, after a quick visit to Morrisons, I returned to the Mart Street stance for the 1040 Borders Buses X95 towards Edinburgh as far as Galashiels. My steed was a larger ADL E200 number 11920 complete with on board bicycle rack, seatbelts and two tables fitted towards the rear. 12 of us travelled the 18 miles to Galashiels with 3 others joining the bus in Selkirk. 2 remained on the bus for onward travel to Edinburgh with 7 joining them.

Having been in Galashiels recently, after picking up some timetable leaflets from the Transport Interchange information point, I boarded former Perryman’s Optare Versa 11307 on the 1130 Borders Buses 68 to travel as far as Melrose. Some 16 passengers joined me leaving Galashiels, uplifting a further 3 in Tweedbank and dropping off 5. There were no takers for Tweedbank Railway Station where a train was just arriving and we wended our way via the Borders General Hospital where we set down 4 passengers then past attractive stone built detached houses into Melrose where 7 of us left and 5 joined the bus.

I like Melrose, it is an attractive wee town. The abbey is surrounded by scaffolding at present as essential repairs are required. With being lunchtime, the town was busy with people meeting up for lunch in the many eating establishments. After a quick look around it was time to return to the Buccleuch Street stop for the 1224 Borders Buses 67 back to Kelso. Optare Versa 11306 arrived 5 minutes later and we set off with 17 on board skirting the three Eildon Hills on the right. By the time we left St Boswells there were 8 of us all for Kelso. Being a clear sunny day, there were wonderful views across the Tweed Valley of the Cheviot Hills. Arrival in Kelso was a minute late.

It was great to be out on a trip again. All the drivers were friendly and drove well. The four buses used were well maintained and relatively rattle free even the 11 year old Versas. One thing though that did interest me was that no bus had next stop announcements which I thought was being introduced from this month and only the X95 had a screen showing the name of the next stop. I do though wonder what strangers make of a bus stop simply showing Newsagents (Selkirk Market Place) or Footpath (Lindean). The Versas do have single line screens but were blank. I seem to recall that these had next stop announcements when new.
 

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Re. the West Midlands trip, I hope the knives on the angel are well-attached otherwise it's a handy source for a quick grab, stab and dispose.
 

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I have thought about posting a trip on here for some time but to my astonishment found that I had not been out for a tour by bus since last November.

This morning I caught the 0930 Peter Hogg route 20 from Kelso to Hawick. The bus was a very tidy Alexander Dennis E200 fitted with seatbelts registered AH06 BUS new as YX72 OJR and named Betty Boop. It was a pleasant unhurried ride along a rather chilly Teviot Valley with frost on the grass. I joined 4 others on the bus, 3 of whom travelled as far as Jedburgh where 6 boarded. Our next stop was in the attractive village of Denholm then gradually uplifting passengers until there were 17 of us on arrival at the Mart Street terminus around 3 minutes late at 1028.

Not wishing to stay in Hawick, after a quick visit to Morrisons, I returned to the Mart Street stance for the 1040 Borders Buses X95 towards Edinburgh as far as Galashiels. My steed was a larger ADL E200 number 11920 complete with on board bicycle rack, seatbelts and two tables fitted towards the rear. 12 of us travelled the 18 miles to Galashiels with 3 others joining the bus in Selkirk. 2 remained on the bus for onward travel to Edinburgh with 7 joining them.

Having been in Galashiels recently, after picking up some timetable leaflets from the Transport Interchange information point, I boarded former Perryman’s Optare Versa 11307 on the 1130 Borders Buses 68 to travel as far as Melrose. Some 16 passengers joined me leaving Galashiels, uplifting a further 3 in Tweedbank and dropping off 5. There were no takers for Tweedbank Railway Station where a train was just arriving and we wended our way via the Borders General Hospital where we set down 4 passengers then past attractive stone built detached houses into Melrose where 7 of us left and 5 joined the bus.

I like Melrose, it is an attractive wee town. The abbey is surrounded by scaffolding at present as essential repairs are required. With being lunchtime, the town was busy with people meeting up for lunch in the many eating establishments. After a quick look around it was time to return to the Buccleuch Street stop for the 1224 Borders Buses 67 back to Kelso. Optare Versa 11306 arrived 5 minutes later and we set off with 17 on board skirting the three Eildon Hills on the right. By the time we left St Boswells there were 8 of us all for Kelso. Being a clear sunny day, there were wonderful views across the Tweed Valley of the Cheviot Hills. Arrival in Kelso was a minute late.

It was great to be out on a trip again. All the drivers were friendly and drove well. The four buses used were well maintained and relatively rattle free even the 11 year old Versas. One thing though that did interest me was that no bus had next stop announcements which I thought was being introduced from this month and only the X95 had a screen showing the name of the next stop. I do though wonder what strangers make of a bus stop simply showing Newsagents (Selkirk Market Place) or Footpath (Lindean). The Versas do have single line screens but were blank. I seem to recall that these had next stop announcements when new.
Thanks for sharing @JKP. I adore the Borders :wub: though it's been too many years since I visited. I think about 3 years, and even longer since I enjoyed a bus trip in the area. Melrose is a lovely little town (with a good museum in the centre) and I've always liked the small towns. I used to love the time capsule that was Kelso bus station/depot. There's a lot to like in that town (with a super micropub).

However, it's the countryside that is the real star. It's absolutely stunning and I now have real jealousy :lol:


Another interesting report @TheGrandWazoo. I was brought up in Oxford so was easily able to visit the Birmingham area in my mis-spent youth but, unlike you, I never thought to keep detailed records. However, your report reminded me of a journey round the Bloxwich Circular route on a Walsall Willowbrook bodied Sunbeam trolleybus on a November day in freezing fog, something which will forever be seared into my memory.
I don't know why I began keeping records (nor why I stopped for a few years) but it is something that does jog the memory. That said, I've had journeys that I'll never be able to expunge for many reasons - some good, some not so!
Re. the West Midlands trip, I hope the knives on the angel are well-attached otherwise it's a handy source for a quick grab, stab and dispose.
Thankfully, they were all blunted before being welded into situ :D
 

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