Trivia: Elongated/Indirect Services

[Whistler40145]

What route is the Beighton one again?

Going out of Sheffield towards Retford to Woodhouse Junction and taking the chord onto The Old Road, this goes from Rotherham Masborough to Beighton Junction to the north of Chesterfield

 

[NoMorePacers]

Going out of Sheffield towards Retford to Woodhouse Junction and taking the chord onto The Old Road, this goes from Rotherham Masborough to Beighton Junction to the north of Chesterfield

Ah, that one.

 

[Peter Bonner]

What route is the Beighton one again?

Via Darnall? North then east out of Sheffield.

 

[Whistler40145]

Via Darnall? North then east out of Sheffield.

Sure is and a necessary diversion route if the Midland Mainline is shut between Sheffield and Chesterfield

 

[mrcheek]

Aren’t there Crewe - Liverpool services, via Piccadilly?

Yes, and with a reversal at Manchester Airport too!

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Would Glasgow Queen Street -> Edinburgh Waverley on routes other than via Falkirk High count? Such as via Shotts or via Falkirk Grahamston which offer somewhat slower journey times.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Would Glasgow Queen Street -> Edinburgh Waverley on routes other than via Falkirk High count? Such as via Shotts or via Falkirk Grahamston which offer somewhat slower journey times.

Ttrains via Shotts go from Glasgow central, not Queen Street. There are five routes between Glasgow and Edinburgh in total -
from Queen Street High Level via Croy and Falkirk High (the fastest),
from Queen Street High Level via Cumbernauld and Falkirk Grahamston,
from Queen Street Low Level via Airdrie (the shortest)
from Central via Shotts
from Central via Carstairs

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Prior to the Dec 2019 timetable change GWR ran a 0530ish all stations Taunton-Westbury via Bristol TM on Saturday mornings. A direct train via Castle Cary takes about 25-30 mins; this stopper via Bristol took about 2 hours.

 

[Boodiggy]

There's occasionally an early morning Pendolino to Euston that stops at Northhampton, and XC do a similar thing with some services going via Crewe from Piccadilly to new street and via Doncaster from new street to Newcastle.

the morning service is booked a double Voyager - splits to make the 0803 and 0810 departures on P16 at Euston. I think there is still a late night Wolves - Euston that runs via Northampton possibly 2245 ex Wolves... one of the Avanti people would need to confirm...

 

[PHILIPE]

Would Glasgow Queen Street -> Edinburgh Waverley on routes other than via Falkirk High count? Such as via Shotts or via Falkirk Grahamston which offer somewhat slower journey times.

Or via Bathgate ?

 

[MotCO]

Is there still a late night mainline train to/from Waterloo to Wimbledon and beyond which went via Putney and the Underground lines for route retention purposes?

Indeed, I would imagine that there would be many strange routeings for route knowledge retention purposes.

 

[swt_passenger]

Is there still a late night mainline train to/from Waterloo to Wimbledon and beyond which went via Putney and the Underground lines for route retention purposes?

Indeed, I would imagine that there would be many strange routeings for route knowledge retention purposes.

In the normal timetable there’s quite a few more than that, there’s 5 a day that are passenger services. (Then of course there’s 20 or more ECS, because it’s the best route to the depot.)

 

[Ian Hardy]

On Sundays South Western Railway runs an hourly Waterloo to Kingston service via Brentford, Hounslow, Twickenham where it reverses to go to Strawberry Hill and finally Kingston. 62 minutes instead of 45 minutes via Richmond or only 28 minutes via Wimbledon.

Also on Sundays SWR runs an hourly Waterloo to Woking service via Brentford, Hounslow, Staines, Chertsey & Byfleet and New Haw. 1 hour 21 minutes instead of 35 minutes direct.

On Monday to Saturdays there is a half hourly Waterloo to Weybridge service via Brentford, Hounslow, Staines, Chertsey. 1 hour 17 minutes instead of 29 minutes direct.

On 29/04/2005 I caught the 07:19 Brighton train from Clapham Junction, nothing strange in that you may say, however it went via Eastleigh and was operated by South West Trains, it was an extended Basingstoke stopping service, it did not arrive at Brighton until 10:14. Luckily I had a SWR Gold Service Free Weekend ticket so the 3 hours did not cost anything.

 

[6026KingJohn]

Isn't there a XC in the normal timetable that avoids Bromsgrove by running via Stourbridge?

Yes the first Birmingham - Cardiff (1V01) runs via Galton Junction, Stourbridge, Worcester, Ashchurch. The second Birmingham - Cardiff (1V02) runs via University, Bromsgrove, then Droitwich, Worcester, Ashchurch.

 

[Ian Hardy]

Also on Sunday's during the Surbiton resignalling in the 1990's SWT ran a service from Waterloo to Esher via Putney, Brentford, Hounslow, Staines, Chertsey, Weybridge, from where SLW applied on the Up Slow to Esher.

On Sun 25/01/1998 I went on a through train from Reading to Swindon via Newbury, Westbury East loop & Melksham.

 

[NoMorePacers]

Actually, feel like Sheffield to Scarborough in its present form is worth a mention.

 

[PHILIPE]

Yes the first Birmingham - Cardiff (1V01) runs via Galton Junction, Stourbridge, Worcester, Ashchurch. The second Birmingham - Cardiff (1V02) runs via University, Bromsgrove, then Droitwich, Worcester, Ashchurch.

Probably retention of diversionary route knowledge.

 

[J-P_L]

Quite surprised it’s not going via Cross Gates

Running for crew route retention on diversions. Under normal circumstances the very early / overnight trains run some or all of the diversions for this purpose but obviously aren’t running under the emergency timetable.

The 05:28 YRK-MAN and the 22:17 MAN-YRK both run via Castleford but the Redcar-Airports are the only ones running via Normanton and Calder Valley. It allows a Manchester and a York crew diagram over these routes. Two units are used with both of them starting and ending at York.

 

[backontrack]

A lot of the time, Dunbartonshire-Edinburgh journeys are quicker with a change at Glasgow Queen Street, travelling via Falkirk High as opposed to via Airdrie.

 

[Horizon22]

Going on any Southeastern rounder service from Cannon Street the 'wrong way'. Trip from Deptford takes over an hour from London Bridge as opposed to 6 mins.

 

[adamedwards]

Reminds me of The European: Edinburgh and Glasgow portions combining at Carstairs, electric to Preston then Manchester Vic, Ashton Moss Junc, Stockport, Hazel Grove chord, Sheffield (reverse?), Nottingham, Peterborough, Ely, Harwich. Much quicker to go direct down the East Coast Main Line, and it could have avoided Sheffield.. It was later diverted via the North London Line and Birmingham, and then withdrawn. Imagine it running now via the Castlefield Corridor across Manchester.

 

[Iskra]

Going on any Southeastern rounder service from Cannon Street the 'wrong way'. Trip from Deptford takes over an hour from London Bridge as opposed to 6 mins.

See the OP; No reasonable passenger would do that.

 

[Iskra]

Reminds me of The European: Edinburgh and Glasgow portions combining at Carstairs, electric to Preston then Manchester Vic, Ashton Moss Junc, Stockport, Hazel Grove chord, Sheffield (reverse?), Nottingham, Peterborough, Ely, Harwich. Much quicker to go direct down the East Coast Main Line, and it could have avoided Sheffield.. It was later diverted via the North London Line and Birmingham, and then withdrawn. Imagine it running now via the Castlefield Corridor across Manchester.

That's an interesting one. There are probably many examples historically.

 

[adamedwards]

That's an interesting one. There are probably many examples historically.

It was the big train of the day at ManchesterVic announced as to Harwich with onward ship connections to Hook of Holland and then train connections to Berlin, Warsaw and Moscow. Poeple would look at the loudspeakers in disbelief.

 

[Dai Corner]

It was the big train of the day at ManchesterVic announced as to Harwich with onward ship connections to Hook of Holland and then train connections to Berlin, Warsaw and Moscow. Poeple would look at the loudspeakers in disbelief.

I wonder if you could go into the ticket office at each station it called at and buy a ticket to Moscow, and vice versa?

 

[norbitonflyer]

Reminds me of The European: Edinburgh and Glasgow portions combining at Carstairs, electric to Preston then Manchester Vic, Ashton Moss Junc, Stockport, Hazel Grove chord, Sheffield (reverse?), Nottingham, Peterborough, Ely, Harwich. Much quicker to go direct down the East Coast Main Line, and it could have avoided Sheffield.. It was later diverted via the North London Line and Birmingham, and then withdrawn. Imagine it running now via the Castlefield Corridor across Manchester.

That was the successor to the LNER's (originally GER's) "North Country Continental", whose original route was Liverpool Central to Harwich via Warrington, Manchester London Road, Sheffield Victoria, Lincoln, and Ely. (Thus entirely on track owned by the GCR and GER (or jointly-owned by one of them and other railways). I used it (between Lincoln and Manchester) in 1967, when it was Class 37-hauled at least as far as Sheffield, and only ran as far as Manchester. It was diverted via the Hope Valley when the Woodhead route closed in 1970, but by the mid-1970s it ran via Nottingham and Peterborough, and loco-haulage on the "Joint Line" became a summer-Saturdays only event.

North Country Continental - Railway Wonders of the World

North Country Continental express

www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com

 

[daodao]

That was the successor to the LNER's (originally GER's) "North Country Continental", whose original route was Liverpool Central to Harwich via Warrington, Manchester London Road, Sheffield Victoria, Lincoln, and Ely. (Thus entirely on track owned by the GCR and GER (or jointly-owned by one of them and other railways). I used it (between Lincoln and Manchester) in 1967, when it was Class 37-hauled at least as far as Sheffield, and only ran as far as Manchester. It was diverted via the Hope Valley when the Woodhead route closed in 1970, but by the mid-1970s it ran via Nottingham and Peterborough, and loco-haulage on the "Joint Line" became a summer-Saturdays only event.

North Country Continental - Railway Wonders of the World

North Country Continental express

www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com

The service only ran to Manchester London Road (later Piccadilly) after it ceased to run to Liverpool. Before then it ran from Guide Bridge via the Fallowfield suburban line to Manchester Central, where it reversed.
Pre-WW1 there was another portion of the North Country Continental from Liverpool (Exchange) that ran via Manchester Victoria, Wakefield Kirkgate and Askern to join the main train (which then originated at York) at Doncaster.
While there are currently regular train services from Liverpool as far as Ely (continuing to Norwich), the proposal to truncate this through service will make connectivity between NW England and East Anglia worse than it has been for over a century.

 

[daodao]

Before WW2, the principal restaurant car express from Cardiff to Newcastle (it actually originated in Barry) ran via (and at one time called conditionally at) Bourton-on-the-Water.
Lack of co-operation between the GWR and MR (subsequently LMS) meant that until nationalisation, through trains from Cardiff and places south-west of Bristol to the Midlands and North had to take convoluted routes as they weren't allowed to run via Ashchurch.

 

[daodao]

The reverse of the 0700 Cardiff to Manchester

I once travelled on this train from Macclesfield to Cardiff using an advance ticket, so had to stay on it to travel via Bristol TM instead of changing at Bristol Parkway to arrive earlier in Cardiff.

 

[backontrack]

There's occasionally an early morning Pendolino to Euston that stops at Northhampton, and XC do a similar thing with some services going via Crewe from Piccadilly to new street and via Doncaster from new street to Newcastle.

Surely XC via Doncaster is faster than XC via Leeds?