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Fredtheshred

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Im sure that this question must have been asked in so many spotters heads, so here goes ........

What do you all think would be the minimum amount of stations that all rolling stock would visit within a twelve month period?

1. England, Wales and Scotland combined only.

2. Answers can include freight.....or just passenger stuff.

3. Obviously no shunters, stored, works, industrial, preserved stock etc......that doesnt move much.

As an example, if we dont include freight, then I would imagine Scotland may be.......

1. Glasgow Queen St
2. Glasgow Central
3. Partick/Hyndland
4. Edinburgh Waverley

Would this cover all Scottish stock in 12 months?

Anyone care for a try of England, Scotland, Wales combined incl freight ;)

The person with the least amount of stations wins.
 
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Im sure that this question must have been asked in so many spotters heads, so here goes ........

What do you all think would be the minimum amount of stations that all rolling stock would visit within a twelve month period?

1. England, Wales and Scotland combined only.

2. Answers can include freight.....or just passenger stuff.

3. Obviously no shunters, stored, works, industrial, preserved stock etc......that doesnt move much.

As an example, if we dont include freight, then I would imagine Scotland may be.......

1. Glasgow Queen St
2. Glasgow Central
3. Partick/Hyndland
4. Edinburgh Waverley

Would this cover all Scottish stock in 12 months?

Anyone care for a try of England, Scotland, Wales combined incl freight ;)

The person with the least amount of stations wins.

How often do the Far North/Kyle line's 158s make it significantly south of Inverness?
 

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For Wales, you would just need to go to Cardiff Central or Bridgend. If it wasn't for the pacers and 170's you could get away with Shrewsbury.
 

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Does the OP want all stock (so you get to tick off every locomotive, unit, etc. in your book if you hang around the designated locations for long enough), or all types of stock (so seeing one 158 is quite enough)?

Either way, any list will have to include Stourbridge Junction and somewhere on the Isle of Wight.
 

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How often do the Far North/Kyle line's 158s make it significantly south of Inverness?
They still operate in the Central Belt - eg Fife, Anniesland, Tweedbank.

Using the functionality of RTT, a snapshot of current operations:
158701 Kyle
158702 Helmsdale
158703 Perth
158704 Georgemas
158705 Eastfield for 1534 Glasgow QS to Anniesland (with 158726)
158706 Inverness
158707 South Gyle (1349 Edinburgh to Glenrothes)
158708 Montrose
158709 Aberdeen
158710 Muir of Ord
158711 Nairn
158712 Garve
158713 Not Allocated
158714 Haymarket for 1716 Edinburgh to Kirkcaldy
158715 Not Allocated
158716 Eastfield for 2309 Glasgow QS to Dundee
158717 Inverness for 1429 Inverness to Aberdeen with 158720
158718 Aberdeen for 1525 Aberdeen to Inverness
158719 Aberdeen
158720 Inverness (see 158717)
158721 Not Allocated
158722 Haymarket (off Tweedbank service this morning)
158723 Dunfermline Town (1341 Glenrothes to Edinburgh)
158724 Haymarket
158725 Anniesland

The other sets
158726 Eastfield (with 158705)
158727 Ladybank
158728 Huntley
158729 Not Allocated
158730 South Gyle (with 158707)
158731 Not Allocated
158732 Haymarket
158733 Aberdeen
158734 Not Allocated
158735 Corkerhill (2019 Glasgow C to Edinburgh comes off Corkerhill)
158736 Aberdeen
158738 Haymarket for 1702 Edinburgh to Arbroath)
158739 Not Allocated
158740 Elgin
158741 Not Allocated

So, the point is that the Inverness 158s all cycle via the Central Belt - it would be interesting (and time consuming) to see how long it takes them all to work to Edinburgh and / or Glasgow.

All Scottish units (and HSTs) can be seen by visiting the high and low level platforms at Glasgow Central and Glasgow Queen Street but it might take a lot of visits.

Bridgend doesn't work as it doesn't see Voyagers.
Yes, but you would go to Birmingham New Street to see those in the most efficient manner. On a more relevant point you aren't going to see class 230s in Bridgend either.
 

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Thats a fab printout JonathanH.

In answer to the other poster, I guess I was thinking of seeing every individual train, rather than one of each class.

I hadnt even thought of the 139's at Stourbridge, but they probably come under the stuff that doesnt move far.

So..... is it 4 stations in Scot and 2 in Wales (6 total), covers all the passenger stuff that cant be covered more efficiently in England.

It certainly isnt so easy for England though ;)
 

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Im sure that this question must have been asked in so many spotters heads, so here goes ........

What do you all think would be the minimum amount of stations that all rolling stock would visit within a twelve month period?

1. England, Wales and Scotland combined only.

2. Answers can include freight.....or just passenger stuff.

3. Obviously no shunters, stored, works, industrial, preserved stock etc......that doesnt move much.

As an example, if we dont include freight, then I would imagine Scotland may be.......

1. Glasgow Queen St
2. Glasgow Central
3. Partick/Hyndland
4. Edinburgh Waverley

Would this cover all Scottish stock in 12 months?

Anyone care for a try of England, Scotland, Wales combined incl freight ;)

The person with the least amount of stations wins.
Technically you wouldn't need to visit Partick/Hyndland if you visit Queen Street & Central as they all go through there anyway, reducing it to 3. Though its impractical going up and down the levels at those stations.
 

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Technically you wouldn't need to visit Partick/Hyndland if you visit Queen Street & Central as they all go through there anyway, reducing it to 3. Though its impractical going up and down the levels at those stations.
The operation of units in Scotland leads to a point that isn't inherent in the original question - 334s are predominately used on North Clyde so in a day at Glasgow Queen Street Low Level you would see, perhaps 85% of the fleet. However, one unit is used on the Argyle Line - ie 334012 is on 2C04 1511 Milngavie to Motherwell https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y14458/2020-11-23/detailed at the moment. So in a year, you would see all 40 334s at Glasgow Central Low Level but it wouldn't be at all as efficient as going to Glasgow Queen Street High Level. 334s don't go to Glasgow Central High Level at the moment whereas 318s and 320s do.
 

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Some interesting points raised here.

I suppose we are looking for the fewest English/Scottish/Welsh stations we could expect everything to go through within 12 months.

Certain stations would be best for efficiently clearing a certain class, but for everything in the fewest stations possible may require a slightly different outlook I suppose.

Euston for example would be a West coast starting point.....but Bletchley would give 230's.....which would then miss the overground.

Its really hard to get the optimum lowest level, but I think we have to start with the Clapham Junctions, Cardiff Centrals, Birmingham New Streets, Manchester Picadilly,s etc.....and maybe work from there.

I knew it wouldnt be easy ;)
 

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Technically you wouldn't need to visit Partick/Hyndland if you visit Queen Street & Central as they all go through there anyway, reducing it to 3. Though its impractical going up and down the levels at those stations.
 

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Euston for example would be a West coast starting point.....but Bletchley would give 230's.....which would then miss the overground.

Though the Overground fleet you could pick up somewhere else, like Stratford.
 

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For Southern you'd need only East Croydon as the 313s do occasionally visit Selhurst for maintenance and everything else cycles through in service.

You could clear Thameslink at East Croydon as well, as there are some 8 car diagrams on the Brighton line, so that makes two TOCs you could complete at the one station, given enough time.
 

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For Southeastern I think you would only need Orpington, Strood, and maybe Sittingbourne.
The 377’s aren’t regularly through those points I don’t think. Keeping to their Ashford runs. I’d say Ashford for all but the 376’s. Depending on how you had others effects how you play them. I.e. if St Pancras was being used for EMR then I’d say take the Javelins there and the DC stock from Waterloo East (could you combine it with Waterloo to make it just one station? Is that bending the rules too much?) and the 377’s from anywhere you want really. They do deviate from the the Maidstone East line but in my experience only ad hoc. Can someone confirm?
 

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Cambridge and Colchester would clear all of GA. Both the new fleet and the legacy fleet.
 

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You would need to visit Leeds for the West Yorkshire EMU fleet. And cover plenty more too.
 

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The 377’s aren’t regularly through those points I don’t think. Keeping to their Ashford runs. I’d say Ashford for all but the 376’s. Depending on how you had others effects how you play them. I.e. if St Pancras was being used for EMR then I’d say take the Javelins there and the DC stock from Waterloo East (could you combine it with Waterloo to make it just one station? Is that bending the rules too much?) and the 377’s from anywhere you want really. They do deviate from the the Maidstone East line but in my experience only ad hoc. Can someone confirm?
Waterloo and Waterloo East are different stations IMO - different operators and three letter codes!
 

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From now over the next 12 months:
Liverpool Street - 315s, 317s, 321s, 345s, 357s, 360s, 387s, 379s, 710s, 720s, 745s

Ashford International* - 171s, 375s, 376s(?), 377s, 395s, 465s, 466s

St Pancras* - 43s, 222s, 373s, 374s, 700s

Stourbridge Junction - 168s, 139s, 172s

Ryde Pier Head - 483s, 484s

Clapham Junction - 158s, 159s, 378s, 442s, 444s, 450s, 455s, 456s, 458s, 707s, 710s

Paddington - 57s, 332s

Cardiff Central - 67s, 142s, 143s, 150s, 153s, 170s, 175s, 165s, 166s, 769s, 800s

Leeds - 68s, 91s, 142s, 156s, 185s, 195s, 220s, 221s, 331s, 333s, 801s, 802s

Everything else in Scotland, around Manchester, and regional Anglia plus 230s and 313s

*Unfortunately Eurostar not stopping at Ashford Intl for the foreseeable future has forced me to include St Pancras instead of having 373s, 374s at Ashford and 43s, 222s at Leeds
 

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The question was to see all of the units currently in service rather than one example of each.

From now over the next 12 months:
Liverpool Street - 315s, 317s, 321s, 345s, 357s, 360s, 387s, 379s, 710s, 720s, 745s
Yes, although you aren't going to see all the 345s at Liverpool Street until such time as the Crossrail tunnels are open as a) the fleet is split between east and west side operations and b) transfers of units are relatively infrequent. However, you have Paddington down for them. You also aren't going to see c2cs 387s at Liverpool Street. Agree with the rest. So we need to add Barking (which will also help with the 4-car 710/2s in case not all of them cycle into the West Anglia allocation. Although 755s are possibly to be seen at Liverpool Street now one made its first passenger journey there yesterday, I don't think they will all cycle there, especially the 3-car variants. I suggest Peterborough for this although Norwich would obviously be more efficient if the only missing fleet is 755s. Also, even though Peterborough sees most of the units working on the lower ECML, you also need Finsbury Park for the 717s.
Ashford International* - 171s, 375s, 376s(?), 377s, 395s, 465s, 466s
No 376s at Ashford. You also might not see the whole of the 4-car 171 or 465 / 466 fleet in a year. So I think we need to add London Bridge
St Pancras* - 43s, 222s, 373s, 374s, 700s
I think this can be dropped in favour of Nottingham where you will see all of the EMR fleet. Although the 374 don't stop at Ashford International, it would in theory be able to see them pass there on the main line.
Stourbridge Junction - 168s, 139s, 172s
Yes, this is necessary for the 139s. You will see the Chiltern 168s and 68s there but not its 165s so I think you need Banbury which has the benefit of also covering the LTV 2-car 165s.
Ryde Pier Head - 483s, 484s
Yes
Clapham Junction - 158s, 159s, 378s, 442s, 444s, 450s, 455s, 456s, 458s, 707s, 710s
Yes, all of the SWR fleet can be observed at Clapham Junction together with the Southern 377s and London Overground's 378s and 5-car 710s.
Paddington - 57s, 332s
332s have a matter of weeks left to work (and you won't see all 13 remaining units working). Paddington is necessary for the west-side 345s and, indeed the 387 fleet. However, we have been told on these forums that GWRs 769s won't go to Paddington (or Banbury) so I think Reading is needed as well for them. Indeed Paddington can drop off in favour of Reading if you are content not to see the Heathrow 387s in service and 9-car 345s start running there again.
Cardiff Central - 67s, 142s, 143s, 150s, 153s, 158s, 170s, 175s, 165s, 166s, 769s, 800s
Yes, once GWRs 143s are withdrawn, you could take a punt on all of its 150s, 158s, 'West' 165s and 166s and Castle HSTs operating to Cardiff Central although I imagine it is feasible that the 150s won't all cycle there given their primary use is now beyond Taunton, so perhaps Exeter St Davids is needed.
Leeds - 68s, 91s, 142s, 155s 156s, 185s, 195s, 220s, 221s, 331s, 333s, 801s, 802s
This should be good for a large amount of the Northern fleet although 156s are relatively rare at Leeds and you might need Newcastle as well as Manchester Piccadilly to see the whole fleet. Only 4-car 331s at Leeds at the moment.
Everything else in Scotland, around Manchester, and regional Anglia plus 230s and 313s

*Unfortunately Eurostar not stopping at Ashford Intl for the foreseeable future has forced me to include St Pancras instead of having 373s, 374s at Ashford and 43s, 222s at Leeds
You have missed LNRs 319s and 350s which you will need to see at Bletchley to also cover the three 230s.

Chester is necessary for TfW's 230s and the Merseyrail 507 / 508 / 777 fleet. Also Avanti Voyagers
Manchester Piccadilly is necessary for Northern's 323s and the 3-car 331s. Also Avanti Pendolinos
Brighton is needed for the 313s.
Birmingham New Street is needed for WMRs fleets in the West Midlands that don't venture far - eg 323s and 170s / 196s.

Then, as already discussed up thread, Glasgow Central and Glasgow Queen Street to see the Scottish stock, although it may also be helpful to include Edinburgh Waverley to speed up the sightings.

In reality of course, the best way to work this trivia puzzle out is just to identify the main depot for each fleet and choose the nearest station, then consider whether there may be points where more than one fleet can be seen.
 

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Manchester Piccadilly is necessary for Northern's 323s and the 3-car 331s. Also Avanti Pendolinos
I think the OP needs to clarify whether it's necessary to see all the variant sub fleets for example of its necessary for a station to see both 331/0 and 331/1s or just any type of 331.If so I would say Manchester Victoria would need to be added for 150/0s.

If just one type of 331 is required I'd say Manchester Picc could be left off the list as Pendolinos and 323s can be seen at Birmingham New St.
 

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I think the OP needs to clarify whether it's necessary to see all the variant sub fleets for example of its necessary for a station to see both 331/0 and 331/1s or just any type of 331.If so I would say Manchester Victoria would need to be added for 150/0s.

If just one type of 331 is required I'd say Manchester Picc could be left off the list as Pendolinos and 323s can be seen at Birmingham New St.
Yes, that makes sense. I took the premise of the thread to be each and every individual unit so I concede that Manchester Victoria is needed.
 

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I think the OP needs to clarify whether it's necessary to see all the variant sub fleets for example of its necessary for a station to see both 331/0 and 331/1s or just any type of 331.If so I would say Manchester Victoria would need to be added for 150/0s.

If just one type of 331 is required I'd say Manchester Picc could be left off the list as Pendolinos and 323s can be seen at Birmingham New St.
Way back at post 8:

Does the OP want all stock (so you get to tick off every locomotive, unit, etc. in your book if you hang around the designated locations for long enough), or all types of stock (so seeing one 158 is quite enough)?

Either way, any list will have to include Stourbridge Junction and somewhere on the Isle of Wight.
With the reply at post 10:
In answer to the other poster, I guess I was thinking of seeing every individual train, rather than one of each class.
You can’t avoid Piccadilly that easily.
 

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Some incredibly detailed responses. Im certainly learning alot here.....alot more to this than I originally fathomed.
 
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