It had new DMUs in the fifties.Bedford-Bletchley?
New 4-VEPs on electrification in 1967.Lymington branch?
I thought it was 2-HAPs (or similar) except on the few London trains (if they still ran).New 4-VEPs on electrification in 1967.
I've got a book showing a 4-VEP in the Lymington bay platform at Brockenhurst in 1967, so they certainly appeared.I thought it was 2-HAPs (or similar) except on the few London trains (if they still ran).
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G56956/2021-06-28/detailed, amd that's not unusualThe Rose Hill Marple line seems to have never had new stock. When privatisation happened it had Class 101s and then Class 142s and now it mostly seems to be Class 150s.
As a one-time 'local' correspondent I have to be tediously pedantic and point out that the Grain/Allhallows lines enjoyed the comforts of the brand new experimental ACV diesel unit for over a month in 1953.An interesting question; I think you would find some in these 3 categories:
1. Closed branches that were never DMU worked (and never had through workings from the main line).
Hawkhurst, Westerham, Allhallows, Horsham-Guildford would be the last on the SR, no doubt plenty of others around the country.
And I've seen a photo of a BRCW Type 3 (Crompton, Class 33...) on a branch passenger. But - pedantry again - how new is new?As a one-time 'local' correspondent I have to be tediously pedantic and point out that the Grain/Allhallows lines enjoyed the comforts of the brand new experimental ACV diesel unit for over a month in 1953.
Veps definitely.I've got a book showing a 4-VEP in the Lymington bay platform at Brockenhurst in 1967, so they certainly appeared.
I’d also consider in this context that the Lymington branch was cleared for 450s in 2005, (eg the platform extension/raising for them at Lymington Town), and the last deliveries of the class were still taking place in 2006. During the period of retained Mk1 operation didn’t 450s routinely operate when there were train availability issues?But need to define the question. Lymington /would/ have got 450s from when those were brand new had it not been for faffing around with retaining Cep/Cig. Today it's got 450s, but do 450s count as "hand-me-downs" - I'd say not.
Is the question new as in "brand new out the box" or new as in the current newest of a certain type always in the area / TOC that just didn't happen to cover that line ?
Redhill - Tonbridge might qualify in recent times. It had 508s during the Electrostar switchover on the Southeastern services but during this period it was not unknown for 375s / 377s to appear. I had 375927 between East Croydon and Purley (ie from the Tonbridge line) in August 2004 when nearly new. I seem to recall that one was booked alongside the 508s.2. Surviving lines that weren't initially dieselised, AND didn't get second/third generation sets from new.
(?Tonbridge-)Redhill-Reading must qualify, provided you make inter-regional workings (XC Voyagers) a separate category.
I have a memory that there was a morning Redhill-Hastings DEMU from the beginning of the full Hastings diesel timetable, hence my query.Redhill - Tonbridge might qualify in recent times. It had 508s during the Electrostar switchover on the Southeastern services but during this period it was not unknown for 375s / 377s to appear. I had 375927 between East Croydon and Purley (ie from the Tonbridge line) in August 2004 when nearly new. I seem to recall that one was booked alongside the 508s.
I hadn't realised - in that case they could reasonably be classed as new! Ah well.Reading to Redhill / Gatwick is a little more difficult - no Turbos were built specifically for the line - however, the delivery of the final 166s to the Thames division (19 ordered by NSE with the final 2 part of a swap deal on the Cotswold line - see https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/1980s-fleet-plans-for-waterloo-to-exeter.206408/#post-4666197) was broadly concurrent with the initial change of the North Downs Line to Turbo operation - nominally, the conversion of the North Downs Line to Turbos was enabled with the transfer of 165001-165007 from Aylesbury to Reading.
Diesel units started working to Weymouth (and Bridport) in 1959 so I think they would count as new. I don't know about the 155s.Did 155s work Westbury to Weymouth when new? That route may be in with a chance of qualifying as 150s were secondhand and 158s most likely didn't go there new.that
Yes 155s did work Weymouth from new, but, as you rightly say, older then new mechanical units also did.I have a memory that there was a morning Redhill-Hastings DEMU from the beginning of the full Hastings diesel timetable, hence my query.
I hadn't realised - in that case they could reasonably be classed as new! Ah well.
Diesel units started working to Weymouth (and Bridport) in 1959 so I think they would count as new. I don't know about the 155s.
Yes (2005 cleared while 450 still in build) and yes 450 routinely covered in that period.I’d also consider in this context that the Lymington branch was cleared for 450s in 2005, (eg the platform extension/raising for them at Lymington Town), and the last deliveries of the class were still taking place in 2006. During the period of retained Mk1 operation didn’t 450s routinely operate when there were train availability issues?
The Rose Hill Marple line seems to have never had new stock. When privatisation happened it had Class 101s and then Class 142s and now it mostly seems to be Class 150s.
Would Blackburn-Hellifield have had new 1st generation DMUs though, or did it stay steam till closure in 1962?Blackburn to Man Vic probably had brand new 142s/150s at some point, but they'd have been vintage when the Blackburn-Clitheroe stretch opened.
As far as I'm aware, no 195s have gone to Clitheroe.
New (hauled) stock was built for Waterloo-Swanage portions of Weymouth trains quite regularly, the last being the Mk1 set for the Royal Wessex in 1951. Of course the branch trains themselves were another matter....Swanage Branch ?
It did get some new 3TC and 4TC sets 1967, but these were made up of secondhand mark1s so strictly not new
If the 230s are new then so are the 484s, and the Island line was accepted as never having had new stock.Conwy valley? I know they had 101's and the like until quite late, I don't think any sprinters started on the line (apart from gauging) until they had been in service for a while. So unless I am mistaken it has never had any new stock.
This will change when the new 230s are used on the line.
230 aren't even using the same power as the originalIf the 230s are new then so are the 484s, and the Island line was accepted as never having had new stock.
As a one-time 'local' correspondent I have to be tediously pedantic and point out that the Grain/Allhallows lines enjoyed the comforts of the brand new experimental ACV diesel unit for over a month in 1953.
http://www.penmorfa.com/Conwy/intro.htmConwy valley? I know they had 101's and the like until quite late, I don't think any sprinters started on the line (apart from gauging) until they had been in service for a while. So unless I am mistaken it has never had any new stock.
This will change when the new 230s are used on the line.