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went up to the North East last year to visit a mate and we went to Gateshead bus station for a look, imagine my surprise when I thought that North Western had made a come back very similar livery.
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I'll add to the Kelvin Scottish appreciation, especially the Cumbernauld Express version. Strathclyde Buses even though it was technically pre-dereg.
I really liked Cumberland's pre-Stagecoach CMS red and cream livery, it was classy and restrained and suited everything it was applied to (though bizarrely the Routemasters took a more extreme twist).
I also had a real soft spot for West Riding's green and cream "up-sweep", which was set off by the red wheels.
Thinking about it while typing, I also really liked the simple but effective logos for Strathclyde, CMS and West Riding also.
I really liked Cumberland's pre-Stagecoach CMS red and cream livery, it was classy and restrained and suited everything it was applied to (though bizarrely the Routemasters took a more extreme twist).
I also had a real soft spot for West Riding's green and cream "up-sweep", which was set off by the red wheels.
Thinking about it while typing, I also really liked the simple but effective logos for Strathclyde, CMS and West Riding also.
tbtc
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That's a great point! Some liveries were just ahead of their time.
I guess the bright orange (!) must have seemed pretty shocking when introduced compared to the more sombre maroon (Edinburgh)/ dark blue (Dundee)/ dark green (Aberdeen) - but I appreciate the sensitivities of Glaswegian colour schemes (with the old "green" livery replaced by something a bit more, erm, favourable to some)
It's great to see so much love for Kelvin, especially as they struggled as a bus company (lasting less than five years as a separate company, losing the competition with Strathclyde, closing Milngavie, a history fraught with industrial problems and struggling to get vehicles on the road each morning), but a great colour scheme (quite an unusual one, given that most SBG companies had pretty plain liveries of one colour plus generally cream in horizontal bands at the time)
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I always had a liking for the liveries that GRT rolled out on their subsidiaries. When FirstBus acquired SB holdings in 1996 I hoped they would adapt a cream, red and orange livery on the same basis but they went for all over red instead.
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I agree about the Shires livery and local names, it reminded me of Boro'line which I liked too.
634, F634 LMJ, Leyland Olympian (t.1996)
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Good call on the GRT style liveries, they were pretty smart too in my opinion. I particularly liked the "coach" version
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One livery I did quite like was Maidstone Boroline, whose colours were reminiscent of Scottish Citylink (Mk2), which I also liked. I'm fairly sure they were both Best Impressions designs, but I'm happy to be corrected.
There are quite a few photos online, but I chose this one as it's of a relatively rare Leyland Royal Tiger/Van Hool.
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There are quite a few photos online, but I chose this one as it's of a relatively rare Leyland Royal Tiger/Van Hool.
B348AMH-Maidstone Boro'line-Leyland RT50-Oct 1989
B348AMH-Maidstone Boroline 231 is a rare Leyland Royal Tiger B50 with Van Hool bodywork. . Doing the Blackpool Lights in October 1989. New to Travellers of West London.
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Even though I am not normallya fan of the older liverys for some reason I do like the old east Yorkshire livery.
As well as "British Bus" M&D and London & Country, I've always liked the simplicity and colour combination of the original Metrobus of Orpington livery (as also seen on Rossendale school bus Olympians years after Metrobus had sold them to Rossendale)...
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S865DGX and S862DGX . 1998 Volvo Olympian / Northern Counties Palatine . New to Metrobus . Rossendale Transport 25 and 22 . Rochdale depot.
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Great OP and so many great answers.
It seems that I agree with a number of answers and notice that I have a tendency to like liveries (before most of the country just saw on of three main liveries) that have a common style with a local identifier. With that it’s no surprise that I liked the following (All photos are not mine, credit to the original photographer):
Yorkshire Rider – as commented earlier, looked good on about everything. I was disappointed that we didn’t get a Yorkshire Rider - York though...
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United/Tees/TMS diagonal Stripes.
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North Western/Bee Line/Liverline diagonal livery
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North Western – 2nd entry for them for their final colour scheme with the North Western (insert name) before the corporate Arriva colours
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West Riding/Yorkshire Woollen/Selby & District with the upswept front.
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MTL – Although like the OP, I preferred it the early incarnation with the local names like Wirral Peninsular Buses, Southport & District and even the infamous MTL Manchester rather than the late generic MTL North, whose font seem to detract from the livery. Compare and contrast:
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Chesterfield Transport - Blue/Yellow/White
Go North East – Red/Blue again with the zigzags and not the straight line
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Blazefield Holdings final livery – another vote for this one
Am I allowed London Transport Red with the grey skirt (and white stripe on double-deckers), and with local identifiers like, London Forest, Selkent etc rather than just the generic London Transport?
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Wear Buses – Green/Grey
Maidstone & District – another vote for the Stenning livery.
Edinburgh Transport - although I think that was mainly because it stood out compared to most of the local buses in Edinburgh...
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Having said all that, is the Stagecoach 3-stripe livery that dominated the late 1980s & 90s allowed?
It seems that I agree with a number of answers and notice that I have a tendency to like liveries (before most of the country just saw on of three main liveries) that have a common style with a local identifier. With that it’s no surprise that I liked the following (All photos are not mine, credit to the original photographer):
Yorkshire Rider – as commented earlier, looked good on about everything. I was disappointed that we didn’t get a Yorkshire Rider - York though...
1995-07-05 FWA 473V Leyland National 2 1357 of Rider York, York
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United/Tees/TMS diagonal Stripes.
1995-02-09 K518 BHN, L531 FHN MAN 11.190-Optare Vecta 1518, 1531, EAH 888Y Leyland Tiger-Plaxton 1408 of United, Richmond
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1997-07-21 M303 SAJ Mercedes Benz 0405-Optare Prisma 3003 of Tees & District, L274 FVN Leyand Tiger-Alexander 274 of United, Scarborough
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Teesside Motor Services (ex-West Midlands Travel) Leyland National 3602 (NTC627M)
TMS Leyland National 3602 pictured in Middlesbrough Bus Station. At this time TMS was owned by West Midlands Travel, and this bus was one of a sizeable number of Nationals transferred to Teesside from the West Midlands to replace TMS's fleet of Bristol LHs. This bus had been new to Ribble...
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North Western/Bee Line/Liverline diagonal livery
1995-08-01 B969 WRN Leyland Olympian-ECW 625 of Bee-Line, Manchester Piccadilly
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Shortlived Liverline livery.
During 1993 Liverpool independent Liverline was taken over by British Bus subsidiary North Western. Still run as a separate operation initially the only change to be seen was a fleet renumbering. 415 (RTF 630M) a Park Royal bodied Leyland Atlantean AN68/1R new to Ribble and later with North...
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North Western – 2nd entry for them for their final colour scheme with the North Western (insert name) before the corporate Arriva colours
North Western Bee Line 1047 (R47XVM)
The final (and quite smart) livery settled on by North Western was this red, yellow and blue affair with fleetnames common to the NW group (Bee Line, CityPlus, LiverLine, StarLine). A NCME Countybus Paladin bodied Scania L113 seen in Piccadilly in 1997.
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West Riding/Yorkshire Woollen/Selby & District with the upswept front.
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156. KWA 30W: Yorkshire Woollen District
KWA 30W is a Leyland National 2 NL116L11/1R which was new as South Yorkshire PTE no. 30 in 1980. Circa 1988, it was loaned by SYT to Compass Bus to operate competitive services in Wakefield in retaliation against activities of West Riding subsidiary Sheffield & District in Sheffield. When peace...
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MTL – Although like the OP, I preferred it the early incarnation with the local names like Wirral Peninsular Buses, Southport & District and even the infamous MTL Manchester rather than the late generic MTL North, whose font seem to detract from the livery. Compare and contrast:
MTL Manchester (ex-J Fishwick & Sons) Leyland National 6056 (XCW956R)
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MTL North 1050 A130 HLV & 2656 NUW 656Y
MTL North 1050 A130 HLV Leyland Atlantean/Alexander AL & 2656 NUW 656Y Leyland Titan, seen at the Wirral Bus & Tram Show on 03/10/1999.
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Chesterfield Transport - Blue/Yellow/White
Go North East – Red/Blue again with the zigzags and not the straight line
GRT Holdings
Blazefield Holdings final livery – another vote for this one
Am I allowed London Transport Red with the grey skirt (and white stripe on double-deckers), and with local identifiers like, London Forest, Selkent etc rather than just the generic London Transport?
London Forest KYV452X Leyland Titan new to London Transport
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Also mentions for:
Wear Buses – Green/Grey
Edinburgh Transport - although I think that was mainly because it stood out compared to most of the local buses in Edinburgh...
1992-08-23 F792 DWT Daf SB220-Optare Delta ET302 of Edinburgh Transport, Edinburgh
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Having said all that, is the Stagecoach 3-stripe livery that dominated the late 1980s & 90s allowed?
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Boro'line was indeed a Best Impressions makeover. It made a second appearance as the Luton & District livery that has also attracted some appreciation here.
TheGrandWazoo
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Bit harsh to suggest that Boroline and The Shires were the same
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Some similarities to be sure, but I thought The Shires was a lot more coherent
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Really? I thought they were a bit boring, really, certainly compared to the two previous Keighley liveries (not my photos):
I'd actually nominate the steel grey and red livery as a favourite of mine.
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Choose your vehicles...Bit harsh to suggest that Boroline and The Shires were the same
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Some similarities to be sure, but I thought The Shires was a lot more coherent
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I couldn't fathom out why some years after their demise, I saw what appeared to be a Boro'line-liveried Alexander-bodied Olympian in Oxford. Turned out to be The Shires from Aylesbury.
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Yeah I'm going to agree with you on the Blazefield liveries...I found them particularly bland.
Though I will add my appreciation for Yorkshire Rider too.
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Have to admit those were a bit before my time. It was only really in 2001ish that I started to gain an interest in the industry, just as Blazefield took over the Lancashire depots from Stagecoach which is probably why I'm most keen on that design compared to the relatively bland Stagecoach Stripes that dominated the town previously.
I'm also quite a fan of the relatively simple designs, and despite being boring they were at least unique which is something that seems to be missing with most modern designs
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Choose your vehicles...
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I couldn't fathom out why some years after their demise, I saw what appeared to be a Boro'line-liveried Alexander-bodied Olympian in Oxford. Turned out to be The Shires from Aylesbury.
I get that there were similarities but thought that the Shires was just a better, more cohesive livery and a nicer shade of blue.
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Talking of Strathclyde's bright orange being ahead of its time, I have to admit I'm finding a lot of rhe retro liveries making an appearance these days far better suit the modern crop of vehicles with swathes of black than the corporate schemes.
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I'm surprised there hasn't been much mentioning of another former South Western operator yet, in the form of the later Western National "Badgers & Flags" livery. A Livery which, in my opinion, would still look good on any modern vehicle to this day.
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Simulary to that, has to be the former Badgerline livery, which has undergone a very impressive renascence with First Groups Western operations.
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Preserved Plaxton Pointer bodied Dennis Dart, new to Western National in April 1994. Seen here leaving Penzance for St. Just during the 2018 Penzance running day. Please note I have cloned out some annoyingly placed street lighting.
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Simulary to that, has to be the former Badgerline livery, which has undergone a very impressive renascence with First Groups Western operations.
Badgerline Leyland Olympian 9007 G907TWS - Bristol - 5 March 1994
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I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003.
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I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003. Note the...
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Simulary to that, has to be the former Badgerline livery, which has undergone a very impressive renascence with First Groups Western operations.
Badgerline Leyland Olympian 9007 G907TWS - Bristol - 5 March 1994
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I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003.
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I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003. Note the...
Good call on the Badgerline livery, it's nice to see its modern renaissance too
Red Ensign Coaches, simple but effective.
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Speedlink, I think this was quite bold at the time
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The silver and red version of National coach livery used by Black & White
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Wearing Red Ensign fleetmanes, Southampton 505 (C202 DYE) is caught travelling along Winston Churchill Avenue in Portsmouth. This East Lancs coach bodied Leyland Olympian was new to London Buses as their LC2, for use on the London Liner services.
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99 T211 AUA Scania T9 Alizee C55F Speedlink Duxford 26-9-99
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I agree on the Western National oneI'm surprised there hasn't been much mentioning of another former South Western operator yet, in the form of the later Western National "Badgers & Flags" livery. A Livery which, in my opinion, would still look good on any modern vehicle to this day.
L401 VCV - Penzance (Station Road)
Preserved Plaxton Pointer bodied Dennis Dart, new to Western National in April 1994. Seen here leaving Penzance for St. Just during the 2018 Penzance running day. Please note I have cloned out some annoyingly placed street lighting.
Simulary to that, has to be the former Badgerline livery, which has undergone a very impressive renascence with First Groups Western operations.
Badgerline Leyland Olympian 9007 G907TWS - Bristol - 5 March 1994
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Badgerline 42903
I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003.
Badgerline 32341
I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003. Note the...
Also I’m a fan of most liveries that are green and yellow, so First Eastern National was a favourite as well.
A few posts ago, the GRT liveries were mentioned, I also thought the GRT Advance livery was nice as well, even Manchester had a version at one point immediately before barbie was introduced
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I wish they would extend the current Badgerline brand out of Weston, maybe make it the spare bus livery?I'm surprised there hasn't been much mentioning of another former South Western operator yet, in the form of the later Western National "Badgers & Flags" livery. A Livery which, in my opinion, would still look good on any modern vehicle to this day.
L401 VCV - Penzance (Station Road)
Preserved Plaxton Pointer bodied Dennis Dart, new to Western National in April 1994. Seen here leaving Penzance for St. Just during the 2018 Penzance running day. Please note I have cloned out some annoyingly placed street lighting.
Simulary to that, has to be the former Badgerline livery, which has undergone a very impressive renascence with First Groups Western operations.
Badgerline Leyland Olympian 9007 G907TWS - Bristol - 5 March 1994
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Badgerline 42903
I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003.
Badgerline 32341
I visited Weston-super-Mare in June 2019 and came across a familiar livery from the past. In August 2018 First West of England relaunched their local bus services in Weston-super-Mare as 'Badgerline', the name and livery reminding us of the operator's identity used between 1985-2003. Note the...
TheGrandWazoo
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It was mentioned earlier by a poster who actually preferred the one that preceded it. I'm with you though - I really like the badger and flags and it suited almost every vehicle type
It's such a strong brand, I don't think it would work as a spare bus livery; you need something more neutral
I wasn't so keen on Speedlink but I did like their Jetlink scheme
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Tetchytyke
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Oh definitely, there's something understated about a simple design. I thought the Harrogate version of it worked well, a good take on the original Harrogate livery after West Yorkshire Road Car was split up. I suppose that the buses I usually saw were Keighley, and the last Blazefield livery was just a bit corporate bland compared to the earlier ones.
Coastliner had stuck with blue and cream for a long long time.
I like the bold primary colours, they just look cleaner and fresher. Compare a Bristol VR in Badgerline and a Bristol VR in red, and the latter just looks dowdy.
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Beeline has to be right up there for me.
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I also used to quite like the Reading Buses cream and maroon, although I guess it was starting to look a bit dated by the 2000s.
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This incarnation of Southern Vectis was another, but I guess had also become dated.
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Berks Bucks Bus Company (Bee Line / London Bus Lines) no 214 (N214 WRD) Dennis Dart SLF / Plaxton Service 50B Windsor 5th April 1997
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Q Drive Buses (Bee Line / London Bus Lines) no 819 (M819 PGM) Scania L113CRL / Northern Counties Bracknell bus station 18th February 1996
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I also used to quite like the Reading Buses cream and maroon, although I guess it was starting to look a bit dated by the 2000s.
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This incarnation of Southern Vectis was another, but I guess had also become dated.
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Hand up, yes it was me that mentioned the tickets/flags livery, but plumped for the preceding cream, red and blue livery.
I thought the badgerline era flags livery looked great on the newer stock such as the Plaxton Pointer bodied Darts and Beaver bodied Mercedes minibuses, with the full red destination box, oversized badger, etc.
401 & 628 - Western National Penzance Depot Long Rock April 2014
401 L401VCV Dennis Dart & 628 L628VCV Mercedes 709D - Western National resting after the 7th Penzance VR Revival & Vintage Bus Running Day on Sunday 20th April. Taken at Long Rock Depot Penzance Monday 21st April 2014. Both these former First Buses have been preserved to a very high standard and...
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Personally I thought the scheme sat less comfortably on older vehicles, especially the ECW/Bristol VRs that were so ubiquitous in the WN fleet then.
LFJ 841W (1197) - Newnham Park 1996
LFJ 841W (1197) seen at the 1996 Plymouth Bus Rally, which was held at Newnham Park. It had been freshly outshopped in 'flags' livery, although the recent First takeover had seen off the badger from the later repaints into this scheme
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Somehow I thought the livery looked a little bare and unbalanced on the VR, especially in the absence of the red box around the blinds. To my eyes the stark white, with no colour on the top half of the bus, really emphasised the (by then) outdated design of ECWs bodywork in a way that the previous scheme managed not to. I also found the livery looked good when freshly outshopped, but wasn't forgiving of road dirt and dents and quickly became scruffy. I thought the earlier livery didn't suffer this so badly.
Oddly I thought the later blue with red strip variation under First looked a little more balanced on the VR
Western National VR 944 & Dart
At the time I took this photo, Bristol VR 944 (VDV144S) had recently received the First version of the Western National livery sans flags above the lower deck windows. The older livery, complete with flags and red around the destination, can be seen on the Dart. 944, a convertible, was new in...
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But obviously as originally pointed out, it's all very subjective - isn't all design (and probably tainted by my own nostalgia)!
TheGrandWazoo
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As I put in the first post, it is all subjective. @Eyersey468 is a fan of the EY maroon and cream, I'm less so, but vive la difference. Some seem to be universally liked (e.g. W&D red, white and black) and others are more divisive but glad it's a thread that has got people thinking.
We are all prisoners of our own nostalgia. Something that our younger forum members will have to adjust to in due course, as we all have done!!!
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A few people have mentioned Merseybus' maroon and cream, but who remembers their first try at a post-deregulation livery - two shades of green, very reminiscent of Leeds Corporation.
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I didn't remember that. I thought they went from verona green and cream to the maroon and cream. Do we also have those two liveries in this shot?
If it weren't for the bus and the fleetname/ticket machine, the rest of this scene looks like it could be 10 years earlier!!!
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Yes - all three liveries just about visible. Not many vehicles painted in the 'two shades of green' - 15-20 perhaps. Somewhere I have a list. I'll try to find it.
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I am starting to warm to the new livery EY have but I still think it will be a pain to match when buses get scraped.
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