Trivia: Stations that are at least two or more changes away from London

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  1. MK Tom

    MK Tom Established Member

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    I visited the Barton on Humber line earlier this week and it occurred to me that you need to make two changes to get from stations on that line to London. How many places are there in the UK where this is the case? Stations on the national network where two or more changes of train are required to reach London.
     
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  3. Megafuss

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    Cardiff Bay
     
  4. FelixtheCat

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    The Island Line (Isle of Wight).

    Merseyrail's Northern Line (Kirkby & Ormskirk branches).

    (Thanks to @A0wen .)
     
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    This has been discussed plenty of times before.

    Whitby (and subsequent Esk Valley Line stations) and Cardiff Bay all came up.
     
  6. FelixtheCat

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    Direct service to & from Newcastle. AM service from Darlington.
     
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    What would be the closest station to London where this is necessary?
     
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    Cardiff Bay (~150 miles) as far as I know.
     
  9. Glenn1969

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    Marlow (one change off peak, 2 changes in both peaks). Do many people commute from there?
     
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    Forgot about the 1600 to Hexham. Only recently mind but then you wouldn't go all the way to Newcastle to change to London.
     
  11. A0wen

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    You sure about that?

    Surely you can get to Liverpool South Parkway from the Northern Line stations and there's a direct LNW service from South Parkway to Euston.
     
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    I'd forgotten about that new one. Thanks.

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    I was thinking North Clydeside, but even the Springburn branch stations can be reached by doubling back off the sleeper at Dalmuir.
     
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    Stourbridge Town
     
  15. Sprinter150

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    Afraid not - selected Chiltern services continue from Birmingham Moor St / Snow Hill on to Kidderminster, calling at Stourbridge Jnc, so only 1 change.
     
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    doesn't the Highland Sleeper stop at Queen's Street low level now? I believe all Scotland is within one change thanks to the sleeper.

    The Wigan-Kirkby intermediate stations, the Bolton-Blackburn intermediate stations and those up to Clitheroe are all, I believe, two changes unless there's some once a day workings that rule them out.
     
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    Enough do to make it worthwhile trying to do something to remove one of those changes.
     
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    Is it not the high usage that turns the line into two shorter shuttles so as to have higher frequency?
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, all stations on the Borderlands line, except Wrexham General, Shotton and Bidston, are two changes away from London. That is, unless you catch the one-a-day Virgin Trains service to Wrexham General.
     
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    On Summer Sundays, you can catch the DalesRail (Blackpool North to Carlisle) service from Preston to stations on the Clitheroe line, thus taking it down to only one change. Although, I believe this service only runs once per day! :)
     
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    Yes, but there are proposals for physical works to combine the higher frequency with the through service.
     
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    Wigan-Kirkby you just change (between stations) at Wigan.

    Bolton-Blackburn one *might* argue you can walk from Manchester Victoria to Piccadilly
     
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    I don't believe out of station interchanges count.

    There might be the odd train that extends from these stations to Yorkshire (which is what removes the stops between Wigan and Southport), killing it, but I don't think there is.
     
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    But from the Kirkby and Ormskirk branches, you have to change onto an ex-Southport service in town to get to South Parkway. Ormskirk itself of course is only one change, at Preston.
     
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    But it leaves long before the first arrival from KX. A long night on Darlo station.

    Sunday is possible.

    It’s also possible with a Change At Hartlepool rather than Newcastle. Not sure if it’s a permitted route though.
     
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    I would be surprised if it runs once a year! Every time I have planned to use it it has been cancelled... (although it seems it ran last Sunday.) We had a thread about it, I think.
     
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    Ayr-Stranraer line. Either change required at Ayr then Glasgow Central, or at Kilmarnock then Carlisle.
     
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    Stranraer has direct services to and from Glasgow morning and evening so is ruled out
     
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    Would Rochdale count ?, Two changes via Manchester, Two changes via Burnley. I know there is only one change via Leeds but I doubt that route would be allowed.
     
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    If they can find the money and get the design right, there's talk of putting in more point work at Bourne End, so that trains from Marlow can reach the other platform. It should be possible as old photographs of the station from the 1950s show access to the Branch from the north on the southbound platform. This was not much later rationalised.

    If this is done, then the half hourly peak service can be run without passengers having to change trains at Bourne End.

    Whilst branch lines still exist, branches from branches as with Marlow from what was the Wycombe branch are now very few.
     

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