Trivia: Stations that are at least two or more changes away from London

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  1. Flyingsprinter

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    No Rochdale doesn’t count. As you’ve said 1 change via Leeds plus 1 change is possible at Warrington/
    Chester, brighouse/midfield/halifax/Bradford and via the few services that go direct to Wigan north western.
     
  2. Kite159

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    This came up recently in an issue of Branch Line News, for stations which always require more than 1 change to reach London

    The last train (Monday - Saturdays) from Cardiff Bay continues to Cardiff Central where you can change to a GWR to London
     
  3. Springs Branch

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    Most stations on the Atherton line (including Ince) are ruled out by having at least a couple of trains per day running to either Wigan NW or Manchester Piccadilly - except for Hag Fold.

    From Hag Fold you always need to change twice, either at Salford Crescent/Piccadilly, or Man Vic/Picc or Wigan Wallgate/NW in the current timetable.

    Three small shacks between Wigan & Southport - Hoscar, Bescar Lane and New Lane - fall into the same category as the Wigan-Kirkby line, since current timetable has no trains stopping at these which go direct to Manchester Piccadilly: so it's change at Salford Crescent/Piccadilly, Man Vic/Picc, or you could go the slow way via Southport/LSP.

    In reality, for all four examples above, you could easily change at Wigan, which can be similar or shorter walk train-to-train than at some large interchanges like Liverpool South Parkway or Manchester Picc (P.13 to main station) - but we're not allowing out-of-station transfers for purposes of this thread.

    With the four stations above, the "at least 2 changes" situation is a result of quirks of the stopping patterns in the current timetable rather than any inherent railway geography. So a 1-change facility might be restored at any of these by some future stroke of a timetable planner's pen (or more likely a click of her mouse).


    As @DanTrainMan185 commented, this topic comes up regularly every year or so, and usually Denton & Reddish South are on the list. These stations aren't applicable at the moment, but if the southbound service to Stockport disappears in a future timetable iteration, they'll be back.
     
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  4. si404

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    Island Line, Ormskirk and Kirkby branches of Merseyrail, Bolton-Blackburn, Barton line are all fine. The Maryhill line seems to be due to boarding restrictions on the Sleeper at Queen's Street.

    Hoscar, Bescar Lane, New Lane and Hag Fold don't seem to have trains to Yorkshire - which is another way to get disqualified - so probably ought to be on the list.
     
  5. Kite159

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    Hag Fold is served by the 2041 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria & 0621 Leeds to Southport service, so can be reached with one change. Although from a glance you can't reach London with only one change.

    Hoscar/Bescar Lane/New Lane has a couple services from Alderley Edge, but again nothing from those stations
     
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  7. Kite159

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    You can reach London from Clifton with the one change by using the 18:01 service to Wigan North Western ;)
     
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    Was going to add 'from December' but posted by mistake. That train will be through to Southport then.
     
  9. nickw1

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    I've noticed a lot of examples here use non-mainline-rail (walk, bus, tram, metro etc) transfer between two stations in the same town, e.g. Manchester or Wigan.

    What would be interesting though is if there are any examples where you have to change at two separate railway stations, i.e London-Station A, Station A-Station B, and Station B-Station C, where the A-B leg is a rail journey and not just between two termini in the same town. Struggling to think of any examples here, though Whitby would have counted were there not through services.

    You'd probably have to have 'branches off branches' for this to the the case, and most of those were lost during Beeching...
    Maybe there's an example where there's a branch off a 'Regional Railways Alphaline' type line which has no through services to London?
     
  10. si404

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    Barton line can't be done with a walk (or at least a shortish one across Manchester, Glasgow or Wigan). You have to travel Doncaster/Newark to NE Lincs.
     
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    Doh - and I travelled to Chester last month on that train.
     
  12. Staffordian

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    I think it has actually run every Sunday since May - although before then it had been cancelled on a regular basis for many months.
     
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    Wouldn't Glasgow Queen Street - Central be considered as one change?
     
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    It does but only to set down when it’s London bound and to pick up when it’s Fort William bound.

    Therefore, the following are all 2 changes away either by changing at Queen Street and then again at Stirling or Falkirk Grahamston or Edinburgh or you could go to Anniesland where you can either get a train to Central and get the Sleeper or a train to Euston or a train to Dalmuir to connect with the London bound Fort William portion of the Sleeper.

    • Ashfield
    • Possilpark and Parkhouse
    • Gilshochill
    • Summerston
    • Maryhill
    • Kelvindale
     
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    Some of the Barton Line stations.
     

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