NoMorePacers
Established Member
This may have been covered before but lets get on with it: list any parliamentary trains or rarely-used stations that you know of.
Knottingley - Goole is open because Drax PS is on the line. If the line where to close (it won't), Drax would be cut off.
Knottingley - Goole is open because Drax PS is on the line. If the line where to close (it won't), Drax would be cut off.
Why not just get a train from Goole to Gilberdyke and get a train there? Because the only trains from Hull to Leeds are the TPE services (will change) which occasionally call there.
Why not just get a train from Goole to Gilberdyke and get a train there? Because the only trains from Hull to Leeds are the TPE services (will change) which occasionally call there.
Agreed. A parliamentary train service is any service that exists purely to meet legal requirements, rather than for commercial or social benefit.Either of the first 2 poll responses could be correct.
I wouldn't say Heysham Port is a parliamentary station. The only trains to go there go for a purpose, as they serve the boat, Any other passenger trains wouldn't really have any purpose and so there is no market for them
But the only train to Heysham Port leaves after the ferry has departed.
The poll is there to stop arguing, not cause it.
STATIONS: (off the top of my head)
Tees-side Airport
Shippea Hill
Coombe Junction Halt
Polesworth
Lakenheath
Buckenham
Berney Arms
Clifton (Manchester)
Spooner Row
Breich
Sugar Loaf
Chapelton
Lapford
Golf Street
Barry Links
Balmossie
Altnabreac
Kildonan
Scotscalder
Dunrobin Castle
Invershin
Culrain
Achanalt
Duncraig
Gainsborough Central
Kirton Lindsey
Brigg
New Clee
Heysham Port
Lelant
Reddish South
Denton
Longcross
Snaith
Rawcliffe
Hensall
Whitley Bridge
By definition a "parliamentary" train is one that operates once a week, as that is the minimum requirement for a line to be considered open.This may have been covered before but lets get on with it: list any parliamentary trains or rarely-used stations that you know of.
I don't know of any examples but it is possible that a train might only operate once a week because that's the only time there is a requirement for it. An example might be a service to a football stadium station. I think that to be a true parliamentary it has to operate at least once a week for no other reason than to fulfil the legislative requirement.By definition a "parliamentary" train is one that operates once a week, as that is the minimum requirement for a line to be considered open.
STATIONS: (off the top of my head)
Tees-side Airport
Shippea Hill
Coombe Junction Halt
Polesworth
Lakenheath
Buckenham
Berney Arms
Clifton (Manchester)
Spooner Row
Breich
Sugar Loaf
Chapelton
Lapford
Golf Street
Barry Links
Balmossie
Altnabreac
Kildonan
Scotscalder
Dunrobin Castle
Invershin
Culrain
Achanalt
Duncraig
Gainsborough Central
Kirton Lindsey
Brigg
New Clee
Heysham Port
Lelant
Reddish South
Denton
Longcross
Snaith
Rawcliffe
Hensall
Whitley Bridge
I don't know of any examples but it is possible that a train might only operate once a week because that's the only time there is a requirement for it. An example might be a service to a football stadium station. I think that to be a true parliamentary it has to operate at least once a week for no other reason than to fulfil the legislative requirement.
So I'd class as parliamentary a train that stops at a station several times a week, but at a time that is inconvenient/useless for the population - e.g. a late night or early morning service with no return working.
I would agree here. Stations such as Manchester United Football Ground are served by trains only on certain days that are in some cases far more than a week apart, but it isn't a parliamentary service as it isn't run to keep a line open, it is run for football fans. On the other hand, LO serve Battersea Park twice a day but that is a parliamentary service as it is run to keep the line open.
I'm not sure that Dunrobin Castle can be classed as a station that receives only a Parliamentary service. It is a seasonal station that opens just before Easter and closes sometime in the autumn. When it is open it gets 3 trains per day in each direction.
Sugar Loaf is a request stop for all ATW trains that are scheduled to run through, (think there are four a day in each direction, as are many other stations on the HoWL). Lapford also gets (I think) four trains a day in each direction. Portsmouth Arms on the same line gets a less frequent service, similar to that of Chapelton (2 a day in each direction?).
I'd add Pilning to the list getting one train a week in each direction (on Saturdays).
I personally would say a parlimentary train/service is an absolute minimum (nothing more than one train in each direction a week) running for operational reasons and not for passenger convenience.
Stations like Chapelton that get a service of two a day (in each direction) will often run in the morning/evening peak, making it vaguely usable to anyone who would use it to commute. Compare that to Pilning, or some stations Northern Rail run - Near impossible.
This may have been covered before but lets get on with it: list any parliamentary trains or rarely-used stations that you know of.
l think that the matter for discussion is whether a service is run for regulatory reasons (ie. "a parliamentary" to avoid having to go through the formal closure process), or for route retention purposes.
On the Underground there are a number of timetabled what are known as "rusty rail" moves. These serve a number of purposes but as the name suggests they have the benefit of ensuring that points and signalling equipment that would otherwise only be used during periods of service disruption, such as crossovers or sidings that would enable a train to turn back short. I'm sure there must be similar moves on the NR network that run for this purpose but are not "parliamentaries."