Twin Pendolino Testing This Week

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Jdrowlands

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2x Pendolino testing, down to run MSX this week (except for 5T20 which is FSX).

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5T20 21:37 Wembley Inter City Depot to Stafford.

Wembley Inter City Depot         21:37
Wembley Central                  21:47
Harrow & Wealdstone              21:49
Watford Junction                 21:58
Bourne End Jn (Herts)            22:11
Tring                            22:21
Ledburn Jn                       22:28
Bletchley                        22:38
Milton Keynes Central            22:45
Hanslope Jn                      22:52
Weedon                           22:59
Hillmorton Jn                    23:19
Rugby                            23:20
Rugby Trent Valley Jn            23:21
Brinklow                         23:26
Attleborough Jn                  23:35
Nuneaton                         23:37
Amington Junction                23:43
Lichfield North Jn (LL)          23:48
Rugeley North Jn                 23:52
Colwich                          23:56
Stafford                         00:05

1T20 00:08 Stafford to Crewe.

Stafford                         00:08
Norton Bridge                    00:13
Madeley (Staffs)                 00:19
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            00:24
Crewe                            00:28

1T21 00:39 Crewe to Stafford.

Crewe                            00:39
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            00:42
Madeley (Staffs)                 00:46
Norton Bridge                    00:53
Stafford                         00:58

1T22 01:08 Stafford to Crewe.

Stafford                         01:08
Norton Bridge                    01:13
Madeley (Staffs)                 01:19
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            01:24
Crewe                            01:30

1T23 01:36 Crewe to Stafford.

Crewe                            01:36
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            01:39
Madeley (Staffs)                 01:43
Norton Bridge                    01:50
Stafford                         01:55

1T24 02:00 Stafford to Crewe.

Stafford                         02:00
Norton Bridge                    02:05
Madeley (Staffs)                 02:11
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            02:15
Crewe                            02:19

1T25 02:37 Crewe to Stafford.

Crewe                            02:37
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            02:40
Madeley (Staffs)                 02:44
Norton Bridge                    02:50
Stafford                         02:55

1T26 03:01 Stafford to Crewe.

Stafford                         03:01
Norton Bridge                    03:06
Madeley (Staffs)                 03:12
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            03:16
Crewe                            03:20

1T27 03:30 Crewe to Stafford.

Crewe                            03:30
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            03:33
Madeley (Staffs)                 03:37
Norton Bridge                    03:43
Stafford                         03:48

1T28 03:55 Stafford to Crewe.

Stafford                         03:55
Norton Bridge                    04:00
Madeley (Staffs)                 04:06
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            04:10
Crewe                            04:15

1T29 04:22 Crewe to Stafford.

Crewe                            04:22
Crewe Basford Hall Jn            04:25
Madeley (Staffs)                 04:29
Norton Bridge                    04:35
Stafford                         04:40

5T29 05:12 Stafford to Wembley Inter City Depot.

Stafford                         05:12
Colwich                          05:18
Rugeley North Jn                 05:21
Lichfield North Jn (LL)          05:26
Amington Junction                05:32
Nuneaton                         05:44
Rugby Trent Valley Jn            06:06
Rugby                            06:07
Hillmorton Jn                    06:09
Weedon                           06:16
Hanslope Jn                      06:23
Milton Keynes Central            06:27
Bletchley                        06:30
Ledburn Jn                       06:35
Tring                            06:40
Bourne End Jn (Herts)            06:44
Watford Junction                 06:49
Harrow & Wealdstone              06:53
North Wembley Jn                 06:59
Wembley Central                  07:01
Wembley Inter City Depot         07:11
 
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Why? is this just to establish it's possible or is it a system test of a rarely used ability?

An 18, 20 or 22 coach train is a little excessive...
 

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Or perhaps to test the working so that if "Baby Pendos" are ordered for N Wales, Birmingham - Scotland and Manchester - Scotland routes that they will be able to portion work over the route, join & split etc. Since a 10 or 12 coach train that divides on route is VERY useful. (And will fit in most prinicpal stations where it would split)
 

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According to another thread it's test to see if it's possible to do it in a situation where there is restricted capacity in terms of numbers of trains can be run in which case, for example, rather than running two trains per hour at nine vehicles each you would run one train per hour at 18 vehicles each.
 

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According to another thread it's test to see if it's possible to do it in a situation where there is restricted capacity in terms of numbers of trains can be run in which case, for example, rather than running two trains per hour at nine vehicles each you would run one train per hour at 18 vehicles each.
And splitting outside a station? do you mean for example during disruption etc?
 

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That would mean a 435m long train... (2x9 car pendo)

I don't think there are any platforms in the LNW route long enough...
In Disruption you wouldn't have to have both trains in the platform at once.

You could stop with the first unit in the platform, detrain anyone there that wants to get off, split the train and then have that unit drive away, wtih the second unit following it into the platform once it is clear.
 

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That would mean a 435m long train... (2x9 car pendo)

I don't think there are any platforms in the LNW route long enough...
However if you look at the ECML situation of single line working yesterday. If you could couple 225 sets together, that would be very useful, as HST's could have diverted via lincoln, and 225's could double up for the single line section, almost doubling capacity in times of emergancy
 
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In Disruption you wouldn't have to have both trains in the platform at once.

You could stop with the first unit in the platform, detrain anyone there that wants to get off, split the train and then have that unit drive away, wtih the second unit following it into the platform once it is clear.
Impractical from an operational point of view, and how does it depart its station of origin ? nowhere can platform an 18 coach pendo.
 

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Impractical from an operational point of view, and how does it depart its station of origin ? nowhere can platform an 18 coach pendo.
You wouldnt take the train to the terminus in double formation, presumably you would do what I just suggested in reverse.

And impractical compared to running barely any trains at all during a single line emergency?
 

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I agree with the ideas of too long trains and few stations capable of holding the whole train, but also, there are other factors like:

-A really slow acceleration due to a heavier train
-Also a long stopping distance, unless maybe all brakes of both units are applied.
-Signal blocks are occupied by more of a train at one time, which is the case with freight anyway, but also some signal blocks will end up being short enough for an 18 car train to occupy two at once, one block being fully occupied, which is most likely in a built up station are like a terminus.
- But a bigger issue in my eyes is to do with seat reservations, especially at a terminus. People have to walk a very long distance to where they need to sit, and this is worse considering you can't walk through the whole train, only each unit, so in a rush for the front when you're at the back will cause problems.
 

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-A really slow acceleration due to a heavier train
Why, they will be both under power surely?

-Also a long stopping distance, unless maybe all brakes of both units are applied.
Same as above

-Signal blocks are occupied by more of a train at one time, which is the case with freight anyway, but also some signal blocks will end up being short enough for an 18 car train to occupy two at once, one block being fully occupied, which is most likely in a built up station are like a terminus.
See below

- But a bigger issue in my eyes is to do with seat reservations, especially at a terminus. People have to walk a very long distance to where they need to sit, and this is worse considering you can't walk through the whole train, only each unit, so in a rush for the front when you're at the back will cause problems.
And like has been already said, they would be split before entering a terminus. Especially so given that two sets would foul a signal/pointwork at the end of a platform anyway so this wouldn't be an issue.
 

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OK, not to be overly critical, but York and Waterloo International can... (Off hand, I'm sure there are more places that are capable)
Waverley?

So essentially, during a crisis in London, 2 11-car Pendolinos could be connected together and driven North.
 

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All Eurostar stations can hold 18-car Pendos. But I guess it's Baby Pendos which is the gateway to London-Blackpool/Edinburgh (two new services) or Glasgow/Edinburgh-Llandudno/Birmingham New Street.
 

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All Eurostar stations can hold 18-car Pendos. But I guess it's Baby Pendos which is the gateway to London-Blackpool/Edinburgh (two new services) or Glasgow/Edinburgh-Llandudno/Birmingham New Street.
A couple of Euston-Edinburgh services are running at the moment as EBW extensions, using 9-car 390s. Scotland-Birmingham via Preston services already also have several diagrams using 9-car 390s.

Glasgow-Llandudno? Right...
 

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Why would a nine carriage Edinburgh-Euston service be neccesary?
It can't be that much faster than the ECML route and I didnt think capacity was constrained?
 

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Well, perhaps it would portion work with the Chester or Blackpool North service. 6 cars each to Edinbrugh and Chester / Holyhead.

Or with limited paths available, detach a chester portion, then re-attach a Manchester portion at Preston...

The ones going up to Glasgow getting a bit tacked on from Liverpool?

So...

1tp2h London Euston to Chester and Edinbrugh attaching a portion from Manchester at Preston.
1tp2h Edinbrugh to Manchester Airport and London Euston (Split at Preston) and join on a portion from Chester at Crewe.
1tp2h London Euston - Chester & Bradford Interchange via Manchester Victoria & Huddersfeild or Liverpool Lime St via St Helens Central
1tp2h Chester & Bradford Interchange or Liverpool Lime St - London Euston
1tp2h Manchester Airport & Liverpool Lime St - Glasgow Central (Join at Preston)
1tp2h Glasgow Central - Manchester Airport & Liverpool Lime Street

All run by 6 car babypendos in 12 car formation off Euston, Glasgow or Edinbrugh.

Would give 1tph to Chester, 1tp2h to Edinbrugh from Euston and keep some nice lengths kicking about the place. Also, put Liverpool - Glasgow back on the map. Further intergration could be possible with the Birmingham - Scotland runs.
 
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These services will never depart or arrive at platforms as 18 vehicle formations. 'Capacity' in this case refers to track capacity rather than passenger carrying capacity. In the event of single line working or other infrastructure problems that cause a drastic reduction of paths available, coupling two sets and sending them through the affected area together will reduce the number of paths required and should reduce congestion. As soon as the sets have passed through the affected area, they will uncouple and continue independently to their respective (different) destinations.
 

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Rough diagrams: U1-U3 run in the opersite 2hourly pattern to U4-U7, rough timings to give a vauge idea. U5 and U7 can interwork with a layover at Liverpool L St.

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U1: 
EUS xx10 U2
CRE x150 U2 Split
CTR x210

U2:
EUS xx10 U1
CRE x150 U1 Split
WBQ x206
WGN x217
PRE x243a (Join U3)
LAN x305 U3
PNR x340 U3
CAR x410 U3
HYM x422 U3
EDB x430 U3

U3:
MIA x200
MAN x215
MCO x218
PRE x250 Join U2
LAN x305 U2
PNR x340 U2
CAR x410 U2
HYM x422 U2
EDB x430 U2

U4:
EUS xx10 U5
CRE x150 U5 Split
CTR x210

U5:
EUS xx10 U4
CRE x150 U4 Split
SHJ x210
LIV x225

U6:
MIA xx00
MAN xx15
MCO xx18
PRE xx50 Join U7
On to Glasgow Central

U7:
LIV xx00
WGN xx25
PRE xx45 Join U6
On to Glasgow Central
 

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All Eurostar stations can hold 18-car Pendos. But I guess it's Baby Pendos which is the gateway to London-Blackpool/Edinburgh (two new services) or Glasgow/Edinburgh-Llandudno/Birmingham New Street.
By "Eurostar stations" do you mean the ones that were cleared for "North of London" sets? Because those sets are shorter than the "Three Capitals" sets, and Eurostar carriages, being bogie-sharing articulated, are shorter as far as I know. Pendolino carriages meanwhile are longer than any other passenger stock in the UK. An 11-car 390 is 265.3m, a 14-carriage NoL class 373 is 312.4m
A full Three Capitals 373 is 387.2 m, and an 18-carriage, 2*9 car 390 would be 435.0m
 

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Virgin performed a similar test when the Pendolinos were basically brand new and only eight carriages in length. Although in that case they were aiming to simulate a failed Pendo being rescued by another, using the Northern reaches of the WCML over Beattock bank to simulate a worst case scenario, an ability that has never been made use of. Although in this case I believe that the tests are operating with both units providing power, rather than one being "dead". Though I can't imagine that the capability to do this will be used much, or any more, than in the original case of one Pendo dragging another.
 

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Virgin performed a similar test when the Pendolinos were basically brand new and only eight carriages in length. Although in that case they were aiming to simulate a failed Pendo being rescued by another, using the Northern reaches of the WCML over Beattock bank to simulate a worst case scenario, an ability that has never been made use of. Although in this case I believe that the tests are operating with both units providing power, rather than one being "dead". Though I can't imagine that the capability to do this will be used much, or any more, than in the original case of one Pendo dragging another.
Yes, the tests are being undertaken with both units under power
 

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I reckon substations will be going boom as it passes :roll:

Power problems when a single Eurostar set used to pass.
 

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I reckon substations will be going boom as it passes :roll:

Power problems when a single Eurostar set used to pass.
Do you really think 2 x Pendolinos will create power problems on a line re-equipped with the high power auto transformer configuration and which even before that could manage plenty of Pendolinos plus lots of freight. We are not talking the ECML here.
 

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Aye, during the day each substation is presumably supplying a heck of a lot more than just two Pendolinos.
 
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