type 1 and 9 headcodes

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heart-of-wessex

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hello,

Ive been recently thinking why on earth do we need type 9s for? Euros are 9Xxx (i think?) and White Roses are type 9s, 9Xxx

Now usually the higher the headcode, the slower the train, type 6 - 60mph freight, type 7 - 45mph freight, type 8 - 15?mph freight (well 8s for shunters, like the Newport 09 is 8E01 to East Usk) so what is type 9? 10mph eurostar? yeah 10mph out of Waterloo then its upto 125, then 180 or whatever, but still, why type 9, Euros are type 1s surely type 1 - Passenger/mail express, usually the lower headcodes have prirority to go in front, you know, type 1s in front of 2s, but you cant stick a type 1 in front of a Euro! or does 9 mean its...'special' as its the only available number left?



Cheers,
James.
 
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Possibly because of their length, meaning that they are very limitied as to where they can go, and allowing the signaller to notice at a glance. TBH, I don't really know, thats just a bit of a guess.
 

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9 was 25mph frieght, loose coupled, but since they went out years ago, that left a number with no use, and seeing as eurostars are a new type of pax train, it was ok

Eurostars are 9Ixx or 9Oxx, dont know if there are any different, and White rose's are 1x, for out of guage load
 

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White Rose headcodes are 1Xxx regardless of direction or where they are going to, this is because of their length, only certain platforms can accept them.
 

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X means out of gauge though, as correctly stated by Simming. I thought a class 9 was a 20mph un braked freight
I'd be interested to know what a skate move is classed as {25 mph over plain track, 5mph over switches and crossings}
 

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9xxx - Unfitted Freight Train, 25mph max (now stands for International Train)
8xxx - Fitted Freight Train, 35mph max
7xxx - Fitted Freight Train, 45mph max
6xxx - Fitted Freight Train, 55mph max
5xxx - Empty Coaching Stock movement
4xxx - Fitted Freight Train, 75mph max
3xxx - Freight Train, or priority empty coaching stock
2xxx - Ordinary Passenger Train
1xxx - Express Passenger Train
0xxx - Light Engine, Light Engines Coupled.


At the GCR we also have our own variation on the headcodes,

0xxx - Light Engine, Light Engines Coupled, Engine with not more than two brake vans.
1xxx - Express Passenger Train, train conveying restaurant car in service, demonstration TPO or mail train, breakdown train or light engine proceeding to assist a failed train.
2xxx - Ordinary passenger train, mixed train, push & pull train, trains comprising brake van or vans carrying passengers or breakdown train not proceeding to assist a disabled train.
3xxx - Fully fitted demonstration parcels stock or empty coaching stock train (not intended to carry passengers).
4xxx - Freight train fully fitted with the automatic brake operative on not less than 90% of the vehicles.
5xxx - Freight train partly fitted with the automatic brake operative on not less than half the vehicles.
8xxx - Freight train not eligible to be included in class 4 or 5 (this classification was originally used for "Through freight trains not fitted with the automatic brake" such as most mineral trains between Annesley and Woodford before 1965).
9xxx - Engineers or Permanent Way Department train or any other train likely to stop in section.

We dont use Class 6, or 7.
 

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Surely if you have a failed train with a train going to assist, you want to use 1Z99 {Breakdown train or train going to clear the line}
Now, for bonus points, you'll be able to tell me what is special about 0Z59 :lol:
 

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Train 0Z59 runs FSX from 16/05/05 to 19/05/05
Train category FF Loco-Hauled 222 miles Not A
Train service code 22126009 Catering N/A
Uid N/A Sector 59 Sub-sector 02 Set up by U6070

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod Ctg Pfm
68089 GLOUCESTR 11:05
76076 AWRE JCT PASS 11:20 2 14
76072 LYDNEY PASS 11:26 2 19
76079 CHEPSTOW PASS 11:36 2 27
76090 SEVERNTJN PASS 11:46 2 34
76093 MAGOR PASS 11:50 2 36
76401 NEWPORT PASS 12:02 2 43
77086 MARSHFLD PASS 12:07 2 48
77301 CARDIFCEN PASS 12:17 2 55
78709 COGAN JN PASS 12:25 2 57
78719 CADOXTON PASS 12:36 2 61
78810 BARRY PASS 12:42 2 63
78903 ABERTHAW PASS 12:54 2 69
79791 BRIDGEND 13:18 13:18 0 83
78903 ABERTHAW PASS 13:39 2 97
78810 BARRY PASS 13:55 2 103
78709 COGAN JN PASS 14:13 2 109
77301 CARDIFCEN 14:22 14:30 0 111
78709 COGAN JN PASS 14:36 2 113
78810 BARRY PASS 14:52 2 119
78903 ABERTHAW 15:05 15:18 0 125
79791 BRIDGEND 15:39 15:42 0 139
78903 ABERTHAW 16:03 16:16 0 153
78810 BARRY PASS 16:25 2 159
78709 COGAN JN 16:41 16:54 0 165
77301 CARDIFCEN PASS 17:09 2 167
77086 MARSHFLD PASS 17:19 2 174
76401 NEWPORT PASS 17:30 2 179
76093 MAGOR PASS 17:42 2 186
76090 SEVERNTJN PASS 17:58 2 188
76079 CHEPSTOW PASS 18:05 2 195
76072 LYDNEY PASS 18:15 2 203
76076 AWRE JCT PASS 18:21 2 208
68089 GLOUCESTR 18:34 7 222
 

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Headcodes.
1=express passenger.
2=local stopper services
3=restricted freight
4=freight 75mph
5=Ecs
6=Freight 60mph
7=Freight Trains 50mph

The official TRUST version which comes printed at the top of all queries. Z is a special or one off working, which is why it's used for break down trains, A and C are often passenger (was mail once), G is usually local freight and M is distance freight. As a general guideline, this is obviously subject to change.

0z59 wouldn't be a light loco move for the beds because it's a one off working - there is some light loco path for Padd - OOC after they've left for the pilot loco to work back to the yard, but AFAIK it's not a Z.

Also worth noting is that occasionally and very rarely a tour will run on an 0 headcode for some reason... possibly error by the pathing dept.

Jon
 

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I can't help feelign there needs to be three passenger headcodes, for intercity/express, semi-fast and local.

I suspect my local services over the SETTLE-CARLISLE LINE [/boast] are class 2, but do correct me if I'm wrong. The reason that I say this is becasue on one hand they get low priority, and just don't seem like class 1 trains, but on the other hand they invariably get priority, even when up to 10 minutes late, over Local servies south of Skipton, however I suspect that is just the discretion of the signallers who know the 333s stop at far more places than the 156s.
 
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