Ugliest Train in the UK?

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  1. Buggleskelly

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    The 455/7’s is it, that has the out of place looking carriage that makes it stand out like a sore thumb. Goodness know why the former SWT decided to go with that look. Mind you, the colour schemes featured all over the 455 subclasses makes it look a lot more attractive than the bland schemes featured on the AC version of this unit, the 317.
     
  2. theageofthetra

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    Yes I have seen one of those and yes it looks just as bad in the flesh
     
  3. 43096

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    Eh? It was BR back in 1984 that decided on that solution of re-using 508 trailers in them.
     
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    You what?!?! How dare you even put 150/0/1/9 on the list! They are the most beautiful trains in the world :wub: If anything it should be the /2!
     
  6. Buggleskelly

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    Oops, my bad. Were the /7’s originally 3 car then? If that was the case, how come the other subclasses were all 4?
     
  7. eastwestdivide

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    Not originally 3-car, they were built with the ex-508 car.
    The Southern (SW division) originally had 4-car 508 units, which then got transferred to Merseyside as 3-car units. The spare cars were incorporated into new-build 455s.
     
  8. SteveyBee131

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    Well, as they say, you learn something new every day! I knew ababout the 508s fourth carriages going into 455s, but never knew the 508s started in the Southern. Thanks for your information :D;)
     
  9. eastwestdivide

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    Here's a photo of mine at Clapham Junction, from when the 508s were the "next big thing" as they replaced the 4-SUBs (the latter certainly a candidate for the "can't be bothered; just cut some holes for the windows and bung on a few cable connectors" school of front end design):
    508 southern.jpg
     
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    Here's another question: why were the 508s numbered in the 5xx range and not 4xx given they were Southern Region units?

    Mind you I could ask the same about the 3xx but third rail only Electrostars.
     
  11. Cowley

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    That’s a great photo. They looked so modern compared to what they replaced.
     
  12. eastwestdivide

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    Who knows? I suppose the 507s for Merseyside came first (in the "logical" place in the 5xx DC-but-not-SR series), and these were basically the same thing, next number onwards.
     
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    Yes, and not just the exterior!
     
  14. Mikey C

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    Well they were never going to stay in the South, the 455s were always the planned replacement for the SUBs.
     
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    Re: 455s. I think the /8s are actually the best-looking of them. They look functional and very much of the 1980s, in a good way. The same goes for the 317s with that front-end. Those with the more "150-esque" front (standard light clusters) just look boring to me.
     
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    They were always intended to move up north. They were a stop gap on the southern region and the numbering reflects that. IIRC they were originally intended to be 507/1.
     
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    The doors on the end of the Koplopers are sealed off because the connections were unreliable...
     
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    Would a Koploper style design even fit within UK loading gauge?

    FWIW I do remember seeing a Koploper style design in Japan at one point. Possibly even on a sleeper.
     
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    I’d say the 220/221 ugly both inside and out. From the front it looks skinny and malnourished compared to other trains or locos. Even the Pendolino looks a more filled out and beefed up compared to the Voyager. The gangway between carriages is excessively long and messy compared to other DMU gangways and seems to be a step back from the successful tried and tested Pullman gangway. You can tell the 220/221 looks cheap & nasty and designed in a hurry with very little thought.

    Inside it’s a mess. A lot of space wasted by excessively long vestibules meaning a cluttered cramped passenger cabin. Sadly ironic to think a 77’6” long standard class Voyager carriage has less seating capacity than a 63’ long MK1 TSO (64 seats spaciously laid out with tables). But Virgin and XC makes up for it by craming in 62 seats at the expense of leg room and many seats without a window view.
     
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    They still look quite modern now. Definitely looks newer than 455s and 456s.
     
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