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Pc86

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Discussed where? Links? Sources? Evidence? Quotes? No manufacturing company in their right mind would reduce supply to one customer because another has got into difficulty.

They wouldn't have a choice but to reduce output overall if a major customer stopped ordering. You cant keep building at the same rate if you have had a 50% cut of orders, they will slow down production and make minor changes to the workforce based on an annualised build, rather than doing everything at full speed and having a full time workforce sitting doing nothing for half the year.

It would be hugely different if the supplier only did a small amount of its work for the customer who went bust. But if its 30%+ of your yearly order book, you are always going to have a huge knock on effect if the company goes out of business.
 
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The Metro City electrics currently in service with Arriva in London have a far lower range than the single deck BYDs. Add to that Optare's reputation for unreliability and late delivery I'm surprised they actually have any orders.

Is it the Metrocities or Metrodeckers which are unreliable? And is it the diesel or electric versions?
 

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They wouldn't have a choice but to reduce output overall if a major customer stopped ordering. You cant keep building at the same rate if you have had a 50% cut of orders, they will slow down production and make minor changes to the workforce based on an annualised build, rather than doing everything at full speed and having a full time workforce sitting doing nothing for half the year.

It would be hugely different if the supplier only did a small amount of its work for the customer who went bust. But if its 30%+ of your yearly order book, you are always going to have a huge knock on effect if the company goes out of business.

Plus it is likely they lost money, as ordinary creditors of Wrightbus got nothing.
 

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A few questions:
  1. The ADL E300 is lightweight, so are the Volvo, Scania and MAN options lightweight or heavyweight?
  2. Why were the ADL E300s recalled? Did it affect the E200, original and MMC?
 

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Scania and MAN E300s have a heavier chassis to the full ADL E300.. Also larger wheels and better suspension too aswell as proper steering lock.. The full ADL version also had little space behind drivers seat yet the Scania and MAN the cab had more space.
 

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On TV

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22:35
BBC ONE NORTHERN IRELAND & NORTHERN IRELAND HD ONLY

Lyndsey Telford investigates what led to the downfall of the family business Wrightbus and asks questions about the millions of pounds that went from the company to fund a local church.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000c76v
 

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Scania and MAN E300s have a heavier chassis to the full ADL E300.. Also larger wheels and better suspension too aswell as proper steering lock.. The full ADL version also had little space behind drivers seat yet the Scania and MAN the cab had more space.
Thank you.
 

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Optare seem to be making progress with deliveries. YJ69 CLX and CLY are for Shetland Isles Council while YJ20 AYK and AYL are for Pulhams. The latter two were photographed and put on Facebook, with the author saying in the comments that there were many Solos in build. Hopefully this means they will pick up orders again
 

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Meanwhile the two outstanding Volvo B5LH/Wright buses for London United (VH 45318/19) have now arrived at Fulwell, the first new buses for London from Wrightbus since last summer.
 

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Meanwhile the two outstanding Volvo B5LH/Wright buses for London United (VH 45318/19) have now arrived at Fulwell, the first new buses for London from Wrightbus since last summer.
I believe they are LJ69 YYA and YYB
 
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Meanwhile the two outstanding Volvo B5LH/Wright buses for London United (VH 45318/19) have now arrived at Fulwell, the first new buses for London from Wrightbus since last summer.
So you're saying they waited ages for a Wright bus...

Then two turned up at the same time!
:rolleyes: :E
 

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Rumour in Ireland suggests that a large number of Gemini 3's have been withdrawn from service following delivery this year after it was found that the vehicles were built several inches too small on the lower deck which means that the doors cannot close properly on a regular basis as they are too tall for the bodywork.

This is said to effect around 30 vehicles delivered to Dublin Bus, just over 20 delivered to Bus Eireann and 5 delivered to Go-Ahead as well as numerous undelivered examples for the first two operators.

What exactly is the problem? Is it that the inswinging doors hit the lower ceiling due to flexing when there is passenger weight upstairs? Are there central doors - could these be changed to plug doors which don't swing inwards?

They are already plug doors in the middle the problems have meant the plug doors have had trouble going back into the doorway when they close because there isn't enough space. It hasn't been openly stated if this happens all the time or in certain circumstances and there has also been issues with front leaf doors apparently.

Something has went badly wrong because they are part of a batch of a large batch that have been ordered and the initial ones did not have the problems but the later ones have done.

Was this problem resolved, or is there a batch lying in the corner of a yard somewhere?
 

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Wrightbus because that's the name of the manufacture. In the same sense that ADL buses don't go about with 'NFI Group' badges!

But I thought that the new company was called Bamford Bus Company?
 

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Meanwhile the two outstanding Volvo B5LH/Wright buses for London United (VH 45318/19) have now arrived at Fulwell, the first new buses for London from Wrightbus since last summer.

These are the 2 ordered for 681 contract starting 6 July 2019
so will be about 8 months late entering service (probably on route 65)
 

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That's just the parent company. Wrightbus are still Wrightbus.
All of the companies called Wright-something appear to be in administration on the Companies House website, so I don't think Wrightbus is the manufacturer. There are three Bamford companies: Bamford Bus Co. Holdings Ltd; Bamford Bus Co. Ltd; and Bamford Bus Co. Parts and Aftercare Ltd. The middle one seems the most likely to be the legal identity, trading as Wrightbus.
 

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All of the companies called Wright-something appear to be in administration on the Companies House website, so I don't think Wrightbus is the manufacturer. There are three Bamford companies: Bamford Bus Co. Holdings Ltd; Bamford Bus Co. Ltd; and Bamford Bus Co. Parts and Aftercare Ltd. The middle one seems the most likely to be the legal identity, trading as Wrightbus.

Regardless they're still trading as Wrightbus, so that's the name that's appearing on products.
 

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I would have thought Bamford will use Wright as abrand name for their products much in the same way that the PSA group market the Corsa and Insignia as Vauxhall or Opel rather than Peugeot or Citroen .
 

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I would have thought Bamford will use Wright as abrand name for their products much in the same way that the PSA group market the Corsa and Insignia as Vauxhall or Opel rather than Peugeot or Citroen .
And ADL use Plaxton for their coaches.
 

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All of the companies called Wright-something appear to be in administration on the Companies House website, so I don't think Wrightbus is the manufacturer. There are three Bamford companies: Bamford Bus Co. Holdings Ltd; Bamford Bus Co. Ltd; and Bamford Bus Co. Parts and Aftercare Ltd. The middle one seems the most likely to be the legal identity, trading as Wrightbus.
There is a reference on their website that states it is the Bamford Bus Company ltd trading as Wrightbus although all the expected bits of a corporate website such as terms and conditions and privacy policy etc appear to be missing so the site is still a bit of a work in progress it would seem.
 

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On TV

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22:35
BBC ONE NORTHERN IRELAND & NORTHERN IRELAND HD ONLY

Lyndsey Telford investigates what led to the downfall of the family business Wrightbus and asks questions about the millions of pounds that went from the company to fund a local church.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000c76v

Watched it and it was very interesting, basically whilst Wrightbus were being given money from invest NI to keep the business going in a roundabout way they were still giving shedloads of cash to Green Pastures, let alone the miraculous increase in value of the Green Pastures building.
You couldn't make it up, it seems to be similar to the old rouse of giving all the bigwigs plenty of cash whilst later announcing that you've run out of money and are going into administration, similar to what happened to the Rover Group and the "Phoenix Four".
 

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Watched it and it was very interesting, basically whilst Wrightbus were being given money from invest NI to keep the business going in a roundabout way they were still giving shedloads of cash to Green Pastures, let alone the miraculous increase in value of the Green Pastures building.
You couldn't make it up, it seems to be similar to the old rouse of giving all the bigwigs plenty of cash whilst later announcing that you've run out of money and are going into administration, similar to what happened to the Rover Group and the "Phoenix Four".
Completely immoral way of behaving.
 

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Completely immoral way of behaving.
I know, not a very "Christian" way of acting ;), is God or even Green Pastures going to pay the redundant employees mortgages/rent or for their food, don't think so.
 

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Anyone know when the new StreetLites and StreetDecks for Arriva Southern Counties are due?
 

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It has now been officially confirmed that Aberdeen's 15 Hydrogen Streetdecks will enter service over the Summer, as mentioned on the First Aberdeen thread a while back the first 7 are due to arrive next month (April). The Vanhool A330s once overhauled will be redeployed on the X27.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp...rogen-buses-to-hit-aberdeen-streets-in-summer

First double-decker hydrogen buses to hit Aberdeen streets in summer
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A new fleet of hydrogen double-decker buses will be rolled out across Aberdeen in the summer.
Aberdeen City Council confirmed today First Aberdeen will use the 15 buses on its most popular routes.
The vehicles will arrive in spring, with final testing and driver training scheduled ahead of the full launch in summer.

According to the council the buses will be mainly used on the number 19, Peterculter to Tillydrone route, with other vehicles also used on the X27, city centre to Aberdeen airport via dyce station route.

The £8.3 million project is funded by Aberdeen City Council, the Scottish Governement and the European Union, it equates to about £500,000 worth of investment per vehicle.

Refueling of the buses, which are said to be as efficient as electric vehicles, takes around 10 minutes.

Aberdeen City Council co-leader councillor Jenny Laing said: “Aberdeen is at the forefront of developing green technologies and our continued innovative commitment to hydrogen truly puts us on the global map.

“The new buses come with even better technology helping to tackle air pollution in the city and further makes Aberdeen an entrepreneurial and technological leader by pushing boundaries for hydrogen.

“We are really proud to be the world’s first city with hydrogen double-deckers and we look forward to seeing them on the city’s roads.”

David Phillips, operations director for First Aberdeen, said: “We are delighted to be working in partnership with Aberdeen City Council to deliver these state-of-the-art and ground-breaking new buses to the people of Aberdeen.

“We are in the process of adapting our depot to accommodate these environmentally friendly zero emission vehicles and are upskilling all our staff to accommodate this next generation of buses.

“It is a huge effort from all our staff to deliver this project, so we extremely proud to be a part of this project in helping the city to lead the way on the hydrogen journey.”

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Scotland’s Energy Minister, Paul Wheelhouse, said: “Scotland has some of the most ambitious emission reduction targets in the world so, in the years to come, I expect we will begin to see many more ‘greener and cleaner’ transport solutions like this begin to emerge.

“I’m proud that today’s announcement, which is a World first, has been made possible thanks in part to Scottish Government funding.

“We are currently undertaking a wide-ranging project to assess the potential for hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells for use in transport and heating across Scotland.

“Hydrogen could well play an important role in the energy transition that’s required in order to meet our 2045 net zero emissions target.”

The 15 buses will be built by Northern Ireland firm Wrightbus.

John McLeister, Wrightbus director for sales and business development, said: “This is the start of an exciting chapter for Wrightbus in Aberdeen which will be the first city to introduce this large deployment of fuel cell zero emission vehicles.

“We are thrilled at this opportunity to partner with First Aberdeen and Aberdeen City Council to deliver a green well to wheel zero emission solution which will also showcase the world’s first fuel cell electric double decker bus operation.”
 

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It has now been officially confirmed that Aberdeen's 15 Hydrogen Streetdecks will enter service over the Summer, as mentioned on the First Aberdeen thread a while back the first 7 are due to arrive next month (April). The Vanhool A330s once overhauled will be redeployed on the X27.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp...rogen-buses-to-hit-aberdeen-streets-in-summer
It's nice to see Wright getting back up on their feet.
I wonder when the London examples are due.
 

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