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Let's hope some of those Tory backbenchers kick up a fuss as soon as parliament is sitting againm

This needs to be scotched sooner than that.

Even thinking about lockdown til Easter (which seems to be the current narrative gaining traction) is completely unacceptable. It’s simply not a viable option on a number of counts.

Unfortunately BJ has well and truly boxed himself into a corner. The clumsiness of himself and Hancock has now got them, and unfortunately all of us by association, into proper serious trouble. Notwithstanding the border issues, which should be resolvable, it’s going to be hard to dial back now we have a subset of the population properly terrified again. No wonder BJ looked properly f’d on today’s press conference.
 

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All the alternatives were objectively worse.

Did anyone go into the 2019 election voting for anything other than “least worst” option?

I hoped BJ would turn out okay, though deep down I had in my mind Portillo commenting something along the lines of Johnson for PM filling him with utter horror. Come back Theresa May all is forgiven, for all her faults she wasn’t this bad, and I think deep down was a decent person.
 

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I see the WHO have actually said that this mutation is no cause for alarm. Wonder what next move is now for all these countries including our own?
 

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I see the WHO have actually said that this mutation is no cause for alarm. Wonder what next move is now for all these countries including our own?
It doesn't seem to be significant news at the moment, which would have to change to see any ramifications for us and others.
 

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I see the WHO have actually said that this mutation is no cause for alarm. Wonder what next move is now for all these countries including our own?
Accuse the WHO of being the Tory party's puppet.

Seems the fashion atm.
 

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I see the WHO have actually said that this mutation is no cause for alarm. Wonder what next move is now for all these countries including our own?
Apologise, admit that they were wrong, and compensate Britain for the economic damage done due the Dover being closed etc.

I can just see the French laughing hysterically at this idea...:D
 

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I'm already seeing the 'herd immunity can't work due to mutations'.

I do worry about the rhetoric coming out of the WHO.

There is work out there with fairly solid proof that immunity to COVID can be developed from bouts of other coronaviruses, not COVID-19, and yet they say that variants may negate this immunity.

Even without going into the world of academic research, given there have been nearly 13,000 variants so far, there should be many cases of reinfection if this is the case. There isn't - literally just a handful.

If the WHO of all people don't alleviate the concern over this, you do wonder what's going on sometimes.
 

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I spoiled my ballot given there was no options other than the two big dinosaurs and pro-EU nutjobs

I have done that in the most recent council elections. Until now I’d be reluctant to do it in a GE, though that may now change.

The trouble is spoiled papers don’t really do that much (IMO) other than featuring in the declaration. It’s not as sexy for the news media as “big gains for UKIP”.
 

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I do worry about the rhetoric coming out of the WHO.

They've now apparently unilaterally decided to redefine 'herd immunity' as a concept that only applies to vaccinations. I'm not sure how the human race survived before vaccinations, but here we are.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19
‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.

Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it.

I'm starting to think Trump had the right idea about the WHO (though probably not for quite the same reasons...)
 

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With Eurostar shutdown for outbound trains, I've been wondering if this has affected railfreight. I don't know how this normally operates - is there some switch between French & UK locos at some point? It would seem an easy matter to isolate drivers in locos to ensure freight keeps running. Hopefully this would encourage goods shippers on the continent to move to the more reliable rail freight and away from unreliable and heavily polluting HGVs.
 

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I'm starting to think Trump had the right idea about the WHO (though probably not for quite the same reasons...)

I'm really wondering what's gone wrong with the world when I find myself agreeing with Trump, Farage and Piers Morgan! :s
 

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With Eurostar shutdown for outbound trains, I've been wondering if this has affected railfreight. I don't know how this normally operates - is there some switch between French & UK locos at some point? It would seem an easy matter to isolate drivers in locos to ensure freight keeps running. Hopefully this would encourage goods shippers on the continent to move to the more reliable rail freight and away from unreliable and heavily polluting HGVs.


I can’t say I’ve seen the details but unaccompanied freight is still flowing, so we’re told. I’d class rail freight as this.
 

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The BBC TV news this morning said that "Eurotunnel" is not operating. However, I don't know if that means just the services operated by Eurotunnel (the shuttle carrying lorries) and obviously Eurostar trains, or all trains. I cannot see any reason why through freight trains could not continue to run with locos changed close to one side or the other.

In two days of news about the French blockade, it was the first time I have heard the tunnel mentioned. It woud not surprise me if the TV journos are unaware of the existence (at least normally) of through rail freight, only of through passenger trains and the lorry shuttle, so they would think it goes without saying that the blockade would stop all tunnel trains.
 

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Eurotunnel is still operating normally from France to the UK, it's the other way that is the issue. Therefore I imagine that something like the 'Reefer Express' from Spain is still running?
 

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Even without going into the world of academic research, given there have been nearly 13,000 variants so far, there should be many cases of reinfection if this is the case. There isn't - literally just a handful.
It depends where the mutations are. If the mutations are in locations that are involved in antigen response, then it's possible that immunity could be reduced. In the context of COVID, the various vaccines are intended to produce an immune response to the spike protein, which is where some of the mutations in this variant are located. However, it's likely that the immune system recognises various parts of the spike, to complete "antigen escape" is unlikely at present.
 

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Seems the EU has stepped in to save us, recommending the borders are opened to let essential goods through and to help get people home for Christmas.
 

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They didn’t survive very well.

I did discover thanks to some Facebook expert that everyone who received the smallpox vaccine in 1796 went on to later die. Indeed, none of them are alive today.

Makes you think...
 

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They didn’t survive very well.

I did discover thanks to some Facebook expert that everyone who received the smallpox vaccine in 1796 went on to later die. Indeed, none of them are alive today.

Makes you think...


Well, immunisations first started in the 18th/19th centuries, which conincides with the start of the rapid growth in global population following industrialisation.


So mass vaccinations are *part* (but not all of) the reason why the global population has exploded over the last ~200 years, as well as many other quality of life and health factors.
 

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Well, immunisations first started in the 18th/19th centuries, which conincides with the start of the rapid growth in global population following industrialisation.


So mass vaccinations are *part* (but not all of) the reason why the global population has exploded over the last ~200 years, as well as many other quality of life and health factors.

Part of the theory of why India's COVID deaths trailed off a lot and that parts of Africa are doing really well too are that poor sanitation/hygiene mean that peoples' immune systems dealt with it a lot better - this is still yet to be proven, but it is a working theory with some solid science behind it. Human bodies are amazing things, and whilst mass vaccinations could contribute in a small way to the explosion of the population, it is much more down to increased standards of living. Otherwise we wouldn't have made it as species up to the 18th century.

Personally I think if we become a nation of constant sanitisers (and social distancers) out of habit, it's going to lower our immune response to many simple viruses in the future.
 

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It may well explain some of the recent growth in places like Italy and Germany , - but maybe not picked up by their health monitors.?
A news item on Sky last night said that for some reason, only the UK had the facilty to pick up the new virus, due to way we test ? If so, and it 'started' in Kent. bearing in mind the stark increase in the EU, it was brought over here and spread, the EU sort of shutting the door after horse has bolted !
 
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