UK General Election 2024: The Results & Aftermath

[DarloRich]

However, the new Governement has some really, really tough decisons to make in the next 6 months. Some as a result of the previous Government, and some as a result of the current geopolitical and geo-economic position. How they deal with thise, and sell them to the country will be the making of them.

agreed - however lets enjoy a bit of a change of mood before the brown stuff hits the fan!

 

[AlterEgo]

I agree.

However, the new Governement has some really, really tough decisons to make in the next 6 months. Some as a result of the previous Government, and some as a result of the current geopolitical and geo-economic position. How they deal with thise, and sell them to the country will be the making of them.

Indeed. It isn’t going to be a time for boring government. There are lots of things to actually be done and lots of decisions to trade offs to be made!

 

[joebassman]

Any big controversy with a new housing estate their?

Maybe to do with the new planned pylons as well?

 

[87 027]

How much: £870.27 ?

Although I am keeping out of the political discussions!

 

[Mikw]

It's not all that compelling tbh. The sort of terrorism charges which see the accused released on police pretty far down the scale. I'd hazard a guess that he basically just said Hamas weren't all bad or something like that.

Ashworth is inevitably making a fuss because it's personal for him, but If the government have any sense they'll probably stay out of it.

I've got a friend who voted for Shockat Adam simply because he had a "groovy name".......

 

[Sun Chariot]

Sobering stats (attached) of the UK's Debt-to-GDP %
(Source article was in the Express online)

 

[Thirteen]

If England win on Sunday, it'll be like the change is happening even in sport!

I kind of want to see Sir Keir Starmer sending a message wearing an England shirt.

 

[brad465]

Sobering stats (attached) of the UK's Debt-to-GDP %
(Source article was in the Express online)

One can only keep a failed economic model afloat for so long after its fatal injury (i.e. the 2008 crash).

 

[takno]

Sobering stats (attached) of the UK's Debt-to-GDP %
(Source article was in the Express online)

That's the most tortured mess of a red pill/blue pill meme I've ever read. I can't even tell what side it's taking or what it's implying

 

[Irascible]

That's the most tortured mess of a red pill/blue pill meme I've ever read. I can't even tell what side it's taking or what it's implying

It's the Express, it's a knockoff Mail, don't expect anything sensible or even looking at the whole picture. Let's not get into Thatcher's "good housekeeping" involving flogging off everything.

I see Labour appear to be going after the sick & disabled, so that's the honeymoon over already.

 

[edwin_m]

I see Labour appear to be going after the sick & disabled, so that's the honeymoon over already.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Sun Chariot]

It's the Express, it's a knockoff Mail, don't expect anything sensible or even looking at the whole picture

And I tease my wife about her choices of "journalism" I'm sure I live in a parallel universe, where she finds a conspiracy theory with  every major news topic.

 

[Cloud Strife]

To be fair, that is from a linked set of questions, and the URL says "british-or-irish/no". I'm fairly certain it's the list of things you need to show if you don't have a British or Irish passport

It's the opposite - it's if you're a British/Irish citizen and don't have a passport.

Many countries use Digital ID cards which update immediately. Only your ID and perhaps your health/driving entitlements really need to be on there. No need for bus passes and railcards to be involved.

How it works in Poland: the ID card contains really the essentials, whereas everything else is stored digitally. It's not quite perfect, but for instance, my driving licence is completely out of date in terms of address. It doesn't matter: the card is really only there for driving abroad. If I get stopped by the police here, they know everything (including my photo) from my Polish national insurance number, so there's no need to show them ID or a driving licence. Things like being given a "producer" is unheard of here: it's all digitally stored and the police can find out everything they need to know from their in-car computers.

From 1961 to 1995 you could get a British Visitor’s Passport, which was valid for one year, with which you could travel to most of Western Europe except by land to West Berlin

By the end, you could (at least until 1991-2, not sure what happened with the post-1992 states) go to Yugoslavia too, as well as Tunisia and Canada. It's quite incredible to think you could reach Greece overland with it. The actual idea was based around the loosening of post-WW2 travel restrictions, where passports/visas were no longer needed for travel within the EEC, just ID cards. As the UK didn't have ID cards, the BVP acted as a de facto ID card for travel.

Generally it is, but for some reason a passport isn't an accepted form of ID in the link posted by @Cloud Strife

The problem is if you don't have a passport, which I find to be really insane. An ID card solves all this instantly by having a single universal document, but instead the UK goes to ridiculous extremes. In comparison, if I want to sign a contract with someone, like a rental contract, I simply ask to see their ID and write down the number of the document. Job done. In fact, as our ID cards are also on our phones, we can even verify whether what they're presenting is valid through simply scanning a QR code linked to the (digital) ID card that they've presented.

From an economic point of view, just how much time and money is wasted with all this bureaucracy?

 

[nw1]

I see Braverman is descending further into extremist nonsense:

"Suella Braverman describes government buildings flying rainbow flags as ‘occupied territory’"

and:

In her speech on Monday, the former Tory home secretary claimed the flag symbolised support for “the mutilation of children in our hospitals”, something which she said “physically repulsed” her.

Braverman describes government buildings flying rainbow flags as ‘occupied territory’

Suella Braverman described government buildings flying the Progress version of the rainbow Pride flag as “occupied territory” in a speech at the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC on Monday, 8 July. The 2018 version of the flag was developed by non-binary American artist and...

www.independent.co.uk

Not a hope of winning the Tory leadership, I suspect.

Someone like Tugendhat or Hunt would be the sensible choice, though I suspect they'll choose someone from the hard-right, but not so hard-right to come out with nonsense such as the above.
Braverman seems to be uniquely right-wing even within what's left of the parliamentary Tory party, and to be quite honest I see her joining Reform some time very soon - as soon as she comes last in the first round of the leadership contest.

 

[birchesgreen]

Not a hope of winning the Tory leadership, I suspect.

One poll of members has her in second place, though a long way behind first place which was "Don't know"!

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Serious question - who on earth would want to run for leadership of the conservatives at the moment? Surely it is a toxic brand? Now in 10-15 years time perhaps.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

The problem is if you don't have a passport, which I find to be really insane. An ID card solves all this instantly by having a single universal document, but instead the UK goes to ridiculous extremes. In comparison, if I want to sign a contract with someone, like a rental contract, I simply ask to see their ID and write down the number of the document. Job done. In fact, as our ID cards are also on our phones, we can even verify whether what they're presenting is valid through simply scanning a QR code linked to the (digital) ID card that they've presented.

Out of interest, how do you know that the person is who they claim to be, and that they aren't using ID that they've either forged or stolen from someone else (maybe someone who looks similar, if the ID includes a photo)?

 

[SteveP29]

Its a futile to rebuild the party it needs to force a split into one nation grouping and a right wing grouping otherwise the wounds will never heal and more importantly the country wont have an electable centrist party that has a chance of a majority.

This thread is running away quicker than I can read it to catch up, so apologies for quoting something days old, but yes, I agree, without splitting into two parties, it seems pretty clear to me that the party will regroup and have the same internal factions and schisms that have caused it to be so unpopular this time and in 1997

 

[dangie]

From the BBC website:
’The Liberal Democrats have called for an extra bank holiday if England win [the Euro’s]
Thank goodness the Liberal Democrats never got, or hopefully get, into power. Totally bonkers.

 

[simonw]

From the BBC website:
’The Liberal Democrats have called for an extra bank holiday if England win [the Euro’s]
Thank goodness the Liberal Democrats never got, or hopefully get, into power. Totally bonkers.

Starmer raises hopes of extra bank holiday if England win Euros

PM says he wants to ‘mark the occasion’ if England win final on Sunday but stops short of confirming extra day off

www.theguardian.com

Starmer previously supported calls for a bank holiday when England’s women’s football team made it to the World Cup final last year.

The prime minister, speaking at the Nato summit in Washington, said: “We should certainly mark the occasion, I don’t want to jinx it. I went to the last Euros final, I don’t want to go through that again.

“I don’t want to jinx

 

[nw1]

From the BBC website:
’The Liberal Democrats have called for an extra bank holiday if England win [the Euro’s]
Thank goodness the Liberal Democrats never got, or hopefully get, into power. Totally bonkers.

What exactly would be wrong with one extra bank holiday?

We did it for the Coronation and for the Queen's recent Jubilees in 2002, 2012 and 2022, and most of us enjoyed the days, even if we weren't especially royalists. An extra bank holiday in the event of winning the Euros is not exactly going to devastate the economy.

I'm not especially a football fan - but surely England winning the Euros is something to celebrate for some people. Why begrudge them? And it's a bit curmudgeonly to complain about an extra holiday, surely, whether you're interested in football or not.

Not bonkers at all, and the Lib Dems, in general, are perfectly sensible to me. Better than Reform UK or the right wing of the Conservative Party, for starters.

 

[cb a1]

Would this be an England only bank holiday? Are there any other England-only bank holidays?

 

[takno]

Starmer raises hopes of extra bank holiday if England win Euros

PM says he wants to ‘mark the occasion’ if England win final on Sunday but stops short of confirming extra day off

www.theguardian.com

Starmer previously supported calls for a bank holiday when England’s women’s football team made it to the World Cup final last year.

The prime minister, speaking at the Nato summit in Washington, said: “We should certainly mark the occasion, I don’t want to jinx it. I went to the last Euros final, I don’t want to go through that again.

“I don’t want to jinx

"We should certainly mark the occasion" is a pretty long way from saying there should or will be a bank holiday. They could have a completely imaginary one where everybody actually still goes to work, like St Andrews day in Scotland.

 

[ainsworth74]

Would this be an England only bank holiday? Are there any other England-only bank holidays?

Turnabout is fair play? After all Scotland and Northern Ireland have local bank holidays only recognised there

 

[Cloud Strife]

Out of interest, how do you know that the person is who they claim to be, and that they aren't using ID that they've either forged or stolen from someone else (maybe someone who looks similar, if the ID includes a photo)?

Forging an ID is pretty difficult, there's a lot of security measures on them that almost everyone is familiar with because of their own ID.

There's also a nice little service available if you both have the mObywatel (mCitizen) phone app, which contains our digital ID cards. You open the app and log in, and then the person who you want to identify has to scan a QR code (or input a code) into their corresponding app. Then, on your phone, you get the details of what is on their ID card, including their photograph. As the app relies on both (initially) having access to the original ID card and knowing the PIN number attached to it, as well as being password/biometric protected, it's very reliable. I could be wrong, but I think that the app is also checking to see if your fingerprint used for your phone biometrics matches the fingerprints stored on your ID card.

(to give an idea of how widespread it is, around 16m out of 38m citizens are using the mObywatel app)

It's not foolproof, but the biggest issue here is not identity theft, but rather hijacking of bank accounts.

Serious question - who on earth would want to run for leadership of the conservatives at the moment? Surely it is a toxic brand? Now in 10-15 years time perhaps.

It is a shame for the Tories that Mordaunt lost her seat, as she could have been the one to restore the Tories into some degree of respectability. She doesn't strike me as someone who would put up with the rubbish that Suella Braverman and others are coming up with, but rather as someone who could successfully appeal to the type of Tory voter that wants nothing more than their idyllic 1970s small English village back.

 

[edwin_m]

Would this be an England only bank holiday? Are there any other England-only bank holidays?

26 December - Scotland has 2 January instead.

The August bank holiday in Scotland is earlier in the month than the English one.

 

[JamesT]

26 December - Scotland has 2 January instead.

The August bank holiday in Scotland is earlier in the month than the English one.

However I believe all public holidays in England are also holidays in Wales, there aren’t any solely English ones.

 

[Sun Chariot]

What exactly would be wrong with one extra bank holiday?
I'm not especially a football fan - but surely England winning the Euros is something to celebrate for some people

In that case, we're "owed" from 2003 - when England won the proper World Cup, with a proper shaped ball.
I think my hangover lasted 2 days....

 

[Bald Rick]

In that case, we're "owed" from 2003 - when England won the proper World Cup, with a proper shaped ball.
I think my hangover lasted 2 days....

That‘s the point. The 2003 world cup was won, IIRC at about 1100 Saturday. Sunday was for recovery.

In the unlikely event that we win Sunday night, there needs to be a day off for recovery !

 

[cb a1]

Turnabout is fair play? After all Scotland and Northern Ireland have local bank holidays only recognised there

I don't have any issue with England having a Bank Holiday. I was just idly wondering if there were any England only bank holidays. As JamesT noted, I think all Bank Holidays in England are also observed in Wales.

As it happens, Monday is a holiday for me. My 'home office' is in Glasgow and Monday is Glasgow Fair Monday.

I got Spain in the office sweepstake, so ...