sarahlubelle@g
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This morning I received a court summons dated 07/12/15.
On the morning of 25/06/15 I boarded a train at Waterloo for Stanstead as I was going on holiday. I purchased a valid ticket and sat down. I didnt realise Id sat in a seat which was a business class seat. It is a short train journey, we had a lot of baggage and the train was empty so we just sat down in the nearest seats.
Shortly after that the ticket inspector came to us. Instead of simply pointing out our error and explaining what would follow he said your holiday is about to get more expensive and was extremely passive aggressive. He should have simply explained the situation instead of making inappropriate vague suggestions of what was going on. At this point we still didnt realise what the problem was and that we had mistakenly sat in the wrong seats because he didnt actually tell us so we carried on sitting there.
This all began only minutes into the journey just after departing from Harlow Town. From this point he joked and remarked all the way to Stansted still without issuing us with a ticket or fine. He explained that the machine was not working and he couldnt find / verify our correct address. He was calling the operator and kept getting cut off and the machine continued to fail. At this point I had written down some of my details on a piece of paper. A further collection inspector came over to help but to no avail. We were then kept waiting on the platform at Stansted while they continued to attempt to get the machine to work. At this point we had to leave because we were in danger of missing our flight so we had to ask to leave. We were told at this point that due to the operating failure of the machine no fine would be issued. We were also advised that as we hadnt signed to accept the fine there was nothing that could be done so wed been let off with a warning to look out for signs next time and only sit in the correct seats on the train.
You can appreciate the shock and anxiety Ive been going through today over receiving a court summons! I have read the full summons and the statements provided by the ticket inspectors which say that reminders were issued to my address. This is incorrect. I have received no correspondence whatsoever over this matter until this summons on 17/02/16. The whole point of not being able to issue the ticket was that my address could not be verified as the machine was not operating properly.
If given the opportunity I would have paid for the ticket / the fine or whatever else. Im not denying that I was seated in the incorrect seat on the given date and time. However, I have done all I was required to do in order to rectify the situation at the time.
I offered to move seats
I co-operated by writing down my details
I co-operated by speaking with a second ticket collector
I remained speaking with the ticket collector for over an hour
I stayed on the platform at Stansted airport
I had to run for my flight because Id waited for so long for the resolution
I was told that no further action would be taken
I did NOT sign to accept the fine
My address was NOT verified
I have NOT received any reminders
Why hasnt the other traveller I was sitting with been summoned in this instance for the same offense?
Why was the summons signed and stamped on 07/12/15 but I only received it today (17/02/16) in the post is this something to do with you not being able to find the correct address for me?
If the fine was not signed for then how do I know these reminders and proof of paperwork on the day of 25/06 have not been produced later and back-dated?
To go from being told in no uncertain terms that no action would be taken and I couldnt even accept a fine to receiving a court summons 8 months later is nothing short of a complete shock. I could hardly even remember the incident and had to check back on the dates upon receiving the summons this morning.
Please advise what I should do here.
I really feel I have cooperated and complied as much as I could in every instance of this (apparent) ongoing issue. Im really not sure what more I couldve done to avoid this situation from escalating in this way.
The two ticket inspectors spent an hour with me (meaning they cant have inspected any other tickets on that journey). Reminders apparently being sent out (to an incorrect / incomplete address) and on top of that my time in writing this and paying 12p a minute to call and try and understand exactly what has happened here. Its quite frankly a farce.
I don't know what the best course of action at this point is as I feel I've only been offered a last resort option!
Thanks,
Sarahlubelle
On the morning of 25/06/15 I boarded a train at Waterloo for Stanstead as I was going on holiday. I purchased a valid ticket and sat down. I didnt realise Id sat in a seat which was a business class seat. It is a short train journey, we had a lot of baggage and the train was empty so we just sat down in the nearest seats.
Shortly after that the ticket inspector came to us. Instead of simply pointing out our error and explaining what would follow he said your holiday is about to get more expensive and was extremely passive aggressive. He should have simply explained the situation instead of making inappropriate vague suggestions of what was going on. At this point we still didnt realise what the problem was and that we had mistakenly sat in the wrong seats because he didnt actually tell us so we carried on sitting there.
This all began only minutes into the journey just after departing from Harlow Town. From this point he joked and remarked all the way to Stansted still without issuing us with a ticket or fine. He explained that the machine was not working and he couldnt find / verify our correct address. He was calling the operator and kept getting cut off and the machine continued to fail. At this point I had written down some of my details on a piece of paper. A further collection inspector came over to help but to no avail. We were then kept waiting on the platform at Stansted while they continued to attempt to get the machine to work. At this point we had to leave because we were in danger of missing our flight so we had to ask to leave. We were told at this point that due to the operating failure of the machine no fine would be issued. We were also advised that as we hadnt signed to accept the fine there was nothing that could be done so wed been let off with a warning to look out for signs next time and only sit in the correct seats on the train.
You can appreciate the shock and anxiety Ive been going through today over receiving a court summons! I have read the full summons and the statements provided by the ticket inspectors which say that reminders were issued to my address. This is incorrect. I have received no correspondence whatsoever over this matter until this summons on 17/02/16. The whole point of not being able to issue the ticket was that my address could not be verified as the machine was not operating properly.
If given the opportunity I would have paid for the ticket / the fine or whatever else. Im not denying that I was seated in the incorrect seat on the given date and time. However, I have done all I was required to do in order to rectify the situation at the time.
I offered to move seats
I co-operated by writing down my details
I co-operated by speaking with a second ticket collector
I remained speaking with the ticket collector for over an hour
I stayed on the platform at Stansted airport
I had to run for my flight because Id waited for so long for the resolution
I was told that no further action would be taken
I did NOT sign to accept the fine
My address was NOT verified
I have NOT received any reminders
Why hasnt the other traveller I was sitting with been summoned in this instance for the same offense?
Why was the summons signed and stamped on 07/12/15 but I only received it today (17/02/16) in the post is this something to do with you not being able to find the correct address for me?
If the fine was not signed for then how do I know these reminders and proof of paperwork on the day of 25/06 have not been produced later and back-dated?
To go from being told in no uncertain terms that no action would be taken and I couldnt even accept a fine to receiving a court summons 8 months later is nothing short of a complete shock. I could hardly even remember the incident and had to check back on the dates upon receiving the summons this morning.
Please advise what I should do here.
I really feel I have cooperated and complied as much as I could in every instance of this (apparent) ongoing issue. Im really not sure what more I couldve done to avoid this situation from escalating in this way.
The two ticket inspectors spent an hour with me (meaning they cant have inspected any other tickets on that journey). Reminders apparently being sent out (to an incorrect / incomplete address) and on top of that my time in writing this and paying 12p a minute to call and try and understand exactly what has happened here. Its quite frankly a farce.
I don't know what the best course of action at this point is as I feel I've only been offered a last resort option!
Thanks,
Sarahlubelle