Using All Line Rover tickets on London Underground and Croydon Tram and DLR.

[swt class 450]

Does anyone know can All Line Rover tickets be used on London Underground and Croydon Tram and DLR for journeys that run alongside and/or share the same tracks with National Rail services?

For example on the following services:

• Harrow On The Hill - Rickmansworth - Chorleywood - Chalfont & Latimer - Amersham (London Underground Metropolitan Line).
• Queens Park - Kensal Green - Willesden Junction - Harlesden - Stonebridge Park - Wembley Central - North Wembley - South Kenton - Kenton - Harrow & Wealdstone (London Underground Bakerloo Line).
• South Ruislip - West Ruislip (London Underground Central Line).
• West Ham - Barking - Upminster (London Underground District Line and Hammersmith & City Line).
• Richmond - Kew Gardens - Gunnersbury (London Underground District Line).
• Highbury & Islington - Finsbury Park (London Underground Victoria Line).
• Moorgate - Old Street (London Underground Northern Line).
• Birkbeck - Beckenham Junction (Croydon Tram).
• Tower Gateway [London Fenchurch Street] - Limehouse (DLR).

There may be a few others as well that i have missed off the list.

 

[Merseysider]

ALR is not valid on DLR or LU.

 

[PermitToTravel]

Even on interavailable lines? NR singles, returns, and seasons betwen the stations the OP lists can be used on LU. Surely rovers can be too.

 

[Merseysider]

Even on interavailable lines? NR singles, returns, and seasons betwen the stations the OP lists can be used on LU. Surely rovers can be too.

From National Rail Enquiries:

The All Lines Rail Rover is not valid for travel on:
Eurostar
Heathrow Express
Heathrow Connect services between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow.
London Underground
Docklands Light Railway
Croydon Tramlink
Private heritage railways (except Ffestiniog Railway)
Shipping services.

My bold.

 

[PermitToTravel]

I wouldn't like to guess which condition takes precedence. Are LU RCIs not briefed to accept any valid NR tickets over the stretches in question?

 

[bb21]

The All Line Rover is not a single, return or season.

Would they be accepted? Heaven knows. My only experience suggests not, but YMMV.

 

[Polarbear]

Personally, I wouldn't risk it & in most of the examples cited by the OP, there's a reasonable frequency of service available on the NR metals.

If one encountered a Revenue Protection block on LU whilst using an ALR, I suspect it would be a case of an instant fine or worse.

 

[jopsuk]

I wouldn't like to guess which condition takes precedence. Are LU RCIs not briefed to accept any valid NR tickets over the stretches in question?

A single, return or season may be valid depending upon it's own validity conditions. The ALR is specifically not valid. There is no blanket acceptance.

 

[najaB]

Surely the validity of a ticket depends on the operator of the trains, rather than the owner of the tracks?

 

[swt class 450]

I would have thought though that if National Rail Single / Return / Season tickets are valid over these sections then surely All Line Rover tickets would be? I wouldnt have thought that All Line Rover tickets would have more restrictions than Single / Return / Season tickets!? Maybe i should email or make a FOI request to TFL to find out?

 

[Starmill]

I had this question recently with a Tyne & Tees Day Ranger which is valid on National Rail services between Newcastle and Sunderland. National Rail and Metro tickets are interavailable on this stretch, and with the assistance of Newcastle booking office and the Metro station staff we came to the conclusion that the Rover is valid on Metro.

Of course, LU may not be the same.

 

[bnm]

If one encountered a Revenue Protection block on LU whilst using an ALR, I suspect it would be a case of an instant fine or worse.

There'll be a prosecutor and magistrate on hand too?

 

[jopsuk]

I would have thought though that if National Rail Single / Return / Season tickets are valid over these sections then surely All Line Rover tickets would be? I wouldnt have thought that All Line Rover tickets would have more restrictions than Single / Return / Season tickets!? Maybe i should email or make a FOI request to TFL to find out?

why? The rules seem pretty clear. The tickets are operator-specific. And on some of your examples, the different operator isn't on the same tracks.

Much as you can use a London Midland service into Euston or a Great Northern in to Kings Cross before 10am but not a VT or VTEC service. I'm quite confused why you think an FoI would uncover some secret exception that would over rule the very clearly laid out ticket validity conditions.

 

[miami]

Regardless of availability, if you're using an ALR on these underground sections you're probably doing it wrong.

You probably wouldn't have a problem, but given that you may end up losing you're ALR, not to mention a penalty fare, is it a risk you want to take?

 

[najaB]

I would have thought though that if National Rail Single / Return / Season tickets are valid over these sections then surely All Line Rover tickets would be?

That's like saying that because cow's milk is tasty, rat's milk must be as well - they're both mammals after all.

Single/Return/Seasons are completely different tickets to Rovers, so there is no reason that the rules for one should apply to the other.

 

[Haywain]

I have no doubt that the ALR is not valid on any of the services in question. Interavailability with LUL routes/services refers to single, return and season tickets specifically, and the ALR is none of these. Plus the ALR conditions state clearly that:

The All Lines Rail Rover is NOT valid for travel on Eurostar, Heathrow Express, London Underground, Docklands Light Railway and Croydon Tramlink, private railways (except Ffestiniog Railway) or on any shipping service.
Additionally it is also not available for travel on Heathrow Connect services between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow.

To my mind that leaves little room for doubt.