via Bangor (Gwynedd)

Discussion in 'Fares Advice & Policy' started by firespire, 10 Aug 2015.

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  1. firespire

    firespire Member

    7 Jul 2011
    On Atos based online booking websites a ticket from/to Llanfairfechan along the North Wales Coast to/from for example Crewe or somewhere in England etc. can be routed via Bangor (Gwynedd) ie. going further and double backing. The Trainline websites don't allow "via Bangor (Gwynedd)".

    Is there a known rule in the area to go via Bangor?, I can only find the double back at LLandudno Junction Easement rule and I'm not sure it is the right one for this case.

    Basically I want to buy a Off Peak Day Return from Bangor but one doesn't exist for my trip the nearest is from Llanfairfechan but the chosen train from Bangor doesn't stop there so I would have pay extra to split tickets at LLandudno Junction.

    I assume I would run into problems walking into Bangor station and asking for a cheaper Llanfairfechan to destination X via Bangor ticket and boarding in Bangor.
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  3. bb21

    bb21 Forum Staff Staff Member Global Moderator

    4 Feb 2010
    AIUI Llanfairfechan is not a timing point for trains which do not stop there, so the booking engine may not be aware that there is a doubleback there.
  4. yorkie

    yorkie Forum Staff Staff Member Administrator

    6 Jun 2005
    Any ticket bought in conjunction with an itinerary is valid as per that itinerary; there is no requirement to consult the Routeing Guide!
  5. Indigo2

    Indigo2 Established Member

    16 Apr 2010
    This is interesting; I don't think the doubleback should come into it: Llandudno Junction (LLJ) is the (one and only) destination routeing point for a Crewe to Llanfairfechan (LLF) journey, and LLJ-Bangor (BNG)-LLF is not a permitted route from the destination routeing point to destination: it's not a through train and it's quite a bit more than 3 miles longer than the shortest route.

    I wonder if it's possible that WebTIS is getting confused by the Llandudno doubleback easement mentioned in the OP (see below); perhaps it is both
    1. not recognising that the easement applies only to a doubleback at LLJ and not at BNG
    2. applying doubleback easements to any non-permitted journey, even if the reason for non-permittedness wasn't a doubleback!

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