Victoria ASC resignalling

Discussion in 'Infrastructure & Stations' started by John1975, 26 Apr 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. John1975

    John1975 Member

    Messages:
    102
    Joined:
    21 Aug 2013
    As my train was crawling along between Selhurst and Balham, I noticed the plate on one of the new signals stated TVC.

    I know Victoria is to be abolished by 2018, but will the current panel 2B be migrating to TBROC fairly soon?
     
  2. louis97

    louis97 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,185
    Joined:
    14 May 2008
    Location:
    Derby
    Sometime over the few months I believe. The engineering block today is signalling related.
     
  3. pdeaves

    pdeaves Member

    Messages:
    877
    Joined:
    14 Sep 2014
    Location:
    Gateway to the South West

    The change in this area was from 15th March. West Hampstead panel 1 (south of Kentish Town Jct. to St. Pancras high level and Farringdon) and Victoria panel 6 (Farringdon to Loughborough Jct.) were recontrolled from Three Bridges. Signal prefixes changed from WH and VS to TWH and TVS.
     
  4. Metobusfan

    Metobusfan Member

    Messages:
    117
    Joined:
    20 Jul 2014

    I thought the high level was still under WH
     
  5. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014
    St Pancras low level and high level platforms 1-4 controlled by Thameslink Core North workstation (TWH) at TBROC and St Pancras high level platforms 5-13 controlled Ashford IECC (AF) High Speed 1 workstation, (I'm not sure if it's one or two workstations for the high speed line).

    Getting back to VASC Streaham area which includes parts of panels 2B and 3 will be migrating as Straetham workstation within the current control period is the best I've got out of the management so far.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Speaking to some colleagues toady that will be affected by this and they said no consultation has yet been proposed for the move, but it could as early as autumn this year or as late spring next year. But if anyone knows for sure it's certainly not the signallers at the moment.
     
  6. Class377/5

    Class377/5 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,594
    Joined:
    19 Jun 2010
    Some corrections, Farringdon to Kentish Town is controlled by Core Central, Core North panel isn't in use yet.

    Basically the changes are

    West Hampstead panel 1/WESTCAD is now Core Central

    Victoria panel 6 is now Core South


    West Hampstead panel two (Kentish Town to Elstree-ish, can't remember the handover point) will become Core North.

    Canal tunnels until the junction with the ECML is controlled by Core Central.
     
    Last edited: 29 Apr 2015
  7. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014
    Thank you for the corrections, I was working from information recieveved when the the TMS working group had our meeting in the ROC before any commissioning.
     
  8. Class377/5

    Class377/5 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,594
    Joined:
    19 Jun 2010
    That's cool. I was curious where Core North was myself so I asked the Core Central/South signallers myself. Quite an impressive set up really.
     
  9. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014
    I take it that it is the empty workstation in between what is now "The Core Central" workstation and London Bridge Central workstation country end? Which were told was going to be the St. Albans workstation.
     
  10. Class377/5

    Class377/5 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,594
    Joined:
    19 Jun 2010
    Yes I believe that is Core North panel. Although makes more sense the other way around as Core South and London Bridge will interlink.
     
  11. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014
    I was told that they want Core south, Charing Cross & Cannon Street workstations close to each other as they will need to be able to talk to each other if and when (if ever) they use the slots to allow the classic and the ETCS signalling to use what I will term emergency links. (Although I was told they were still working on how they were actually going to do it).
     
  12. Class377/5

    Class377/5 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,594
    Joined:
    19 Jun 2010
    Ah that would make some sense actually. If they use those links you can kiss bye bye to Thameslink through service via London Bridge.
     
  13. Metobusfan

    Metobusfan Member

    Messages:
    117
    Joined:
    20 Jul 2014
    Stupid question?! Do the signallers do all panels or not. I mean do VC and VS or just one
     
  14. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014
    There is a Central VC link and a separate Eastern VS link with no crossover between the two rosters. But from when Victoria ASC opened and up to about 1994 the signallers used to work around all the panels, but this practiced ended beacuse of the special rulebook brought in for the running of the Eurostar service thus cutting down the staff that required training in it once the box was split into two links.
     
  15. westcoaster

    westcoaster Established Member

    Messages:
    3,507
    Joined:
    4 Dec 2006
    Location:
    DTOS A or B
    Panel 2 Kentish town- cricklewood depot area
    Panel 3 cricklewood depot area - leagrave
    Panel 4 leagrave - Sharnbrook junction / bedford St johns.
     
  16. Metobusfan

    Metobusfan Member

    Messages:
    117
    Joined:
    20 Jul 2014


    Nice. Thanks
     
  17. collexions

    collexions Member

    Messages:
    34
    Joined:
    18 Jan 2010
    Location:
    Bradford-on-Avon
    I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).

    Dates on our contract are currently:

    Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016
    Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016

    So definitely not sooner than then.

    Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.

     
  18. Yabbadabba

    Yabbadabba Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    23 May 2014

    Ok thanks for the heads up, will pass on to those that need to know.
     
  19. John1975

    John1975 Member

    Messages:
    102
    Joined:
    21 Aug 2013
    Out of interest, do you know what the boundaries of those workstations will be?
     
  20. carriageline

    carriageline Established Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Joined:
    11 Jan 2012

    Very interesting! As one who would be signing that workstation that's the biggest bit of info we have had in a while! (Not that anyone is really to blame for that)




    Correct. Charing Cross will be going "next to" core south (well the next one in the pod) then Cannon Street next to it
     
    Last edited: 8 May 2015
  21. Metobusfan

    Metobusfan Member

    Messages:
    117
    Joined:
    20 Jul 2014


    So the wimbo loop soon be in the ROC
     
  22. carriageline

    carriageline Established Member

    Messages:
    1,698
    Joined:
    11 Jan 2012
    A few years off yet I'm willing to bet!
     
  23. collexions

    collexions Member

    Messages:
    34
    Joined:
    18 Jan 2010
    Location:
    Bradford-on-Avon
    I'll get back to you on the boundaries... From memory (as i don't have it to hand) the two stage areas are split at Tulse Hill on the Portsmouth's and Norbury on the Brighton's.

    These projects are a deviation from my normal role in Traffic Management...
    Announcement on de-scoped TM will be made now in August. The scope is now TM interfaced Thameslink Core with ETCS/ATO, with optional components for TM interfaced for all London Bridge 'inner' & 'outer' workstations.

    So Thameslink, and the Sussex Route getting what investment there is. All this is the position immediately prior to the election result I should add!
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Be interested to know/see the pod layout plan if possible?
     
  24. AlexWright

    AlexWright Member

    Messages:
    8
    Joined:
    11 Aug 2015
    i just got a job at London Victoria Signal box on the South Central side will they be moving to Three Bridges??
     
  25. swt_passenger

    swt_passenger Veteran Member

    Messages:
    15,388
    Joined:
    7 Apr 2010
    Almost certainly within a few years. The only real area of doubt is the intended timing, which changes month by month.

    Three Bridges will be the sole ROC (Rail Operating Centre) for the entire 'Southern' network (including Thameslink through the core and as far as the MML and ECML interfaces).
     
  26. Class377/5

    Class377/5 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,594
    Joined:
    19 Jun 2010
    ROC is to control far Bedford on the MML under latest plans. But changes so often but it already controls St Pancras high level.
     
  27. Bald Rick

    Bald Rick Established Member

    Messages:
    5,964
    Joined:
    28 Sep 2010
    Talk to your LOM, and if he/ she doesn't know ask them to go up the chain until they find someone who can give an idea.
     
  28. IrishDave

    IrishDave Member

    Messages:
    277
    Joined:
    30 Jun 2009
    Location:
    Brighton
    I spoke to a good friend of mine who is one of the signallers at Victoria Central; he did his best to explain the situation. Currently:
    • Panel 2B controls from Wandsworth Common through Balham, Streatham Hill and the "main line" in the Streatham Common area, as far as the boundary with Three Bridges ASC at Norbury/Thornton Heath.
    • Panel 3 controls Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Crystal Palace, and the "Portsmouth" lines through Streatham, as far as the boundaries with Panel 4 at Tooting / Mitcham Eastfields.
    The motivation for Streatham workstation going into Three Bridges ROC first is that the wiring in the relay room at Streatham is in a bad state (I believe the word he used was "shot"). However, Streatham relay room controls bits of Panels 2B *and* 3, so the new workstation will take over parts of 2B and 3, while leaving parts of them intact.

    More precisely, the boundaries of Streatham workstation will be:
    • between Tooting and Haydons Road on the St Heliers (fringe to Panel 4);
    • between Streatham South Jn and Mitcham Eastfields on the Portsmouths (fringe to Panel 4);
    • between Tulse Hill South Jn and Streatham station on the Portsmouths (fringe to Panel 3);
    • between Balham Jn and Streatham North Jn on the Brightons (fringe to Panel 2B);
    • between Norbury and Thornton Heath on the Brightons (fringe to Three Bridges ASC).
    In other words,
    • Streatham workstation will control all the junctions in the Streatham area, both on the Brighton main line and the Portsmouth lines;
    • Panel 2B will remain in control of Balham and Streatham Hill (but loses Streatham North Jn and Streatham Common);
    • Panel 3 remains in control of Tulse Hill, West Norwood and Crystal Palace (but loses Streatham station and Streatham South Jn).
    This leads to the awkward situation that the total number of signallers will (briefly) increase, because both panels 2B and 3 will still be needed at Victoria - they're too far apart in the operating room to combine them easily. Some staff will be displaced from VC to TBROC but not enough to fully staff the workstation. This should all be sorted when everyone moves to TBROC.

    The Sutton-Mitcham-Wimbledon workstation should be a straight replacement for Victoria Central Panel 4: it fringes to Panel 3 (soon to be Streatham workstation) at Tooting/Haydons Road and Mitcham Eastfields, to Wimbledon ASC at Ewell East and Wimbledon West Jn, and to Three Bridges ASC between West Croydon and Wallington.

    I hope that all makes sense.
     
    Last edited: 13 Aug 2015
  29. Metobusfan

    Metobusfan Member

    Messages:
    117
    Joined:
    20 Jul 2014

    I thought York ROC will signal from west hampsterd northwards
     
  30. swt_passenger

    swt_passenger Veteran Member

    Messages:
    15,388
    Joined:
    7 Apr 2010
    Surely East Midlands (Derby) ROC will take over (from wherever the MML boundary is).

    York will be the ECML ROC.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page