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Video Presentation Rant

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starrymarkb

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I've been meaning to do this for a while and I'm not going to name and shame (TBH I'm not sure if anyone here does it) I just want to get this off my chest. You may not share my opinions, but I'm willing to listen to alternative points of view and evaluate their merits.

I have a couple of pet hates that I'm going to rant about in the spirit of Foamy the Squirrel

Firstly - Overindulgent Credit Sequences: You've made a video and decide to add a mock credit scroll at the end. Fair enough if there are multiple people involved in the making of, but all too often I see "Writer: X", "Camera: X", "Director: X" where they are all the same person. And Director? You are filming a train passing by, you are not directing people on a closed set, you have no control over the surroundings. Writer I can accept if there is a scripted commentary. Ad Lib doesn't count as writing!

Secondly - In Picture Copyright Notices: I have no objections to copyright watermarks, I understand why people choose to add them. What I don't like is people who make huge watermarks centre them on the screen and then animate them! It is seriously annoying because it won't let you tune it out (don't start me on animated TV Channel DOGs), just put a small static URL in a corner of the picture, that is enough! Oh but someone might crop it off I hear you cry, well they might, and if they do you can actually go after them legally! But I usually find that the bigger and more intrusive copyright notices are usually attached to some pixelated, out of focus mobile phone footage!

Finally for now - Overblown Title Sequences: By this I'm meaning a montage of previous videos with a loud soundtrack to introduce the video. This is a particular peeve with rail videos because they are often longer then the content. I remember once seeing a video that had a 50 second intro sequence, then 20 seconds of the train passing, then 20 seconds of self indulgent credits! Keep it short and sweet people, on my Vlog channel I used to have 15 seconds for the intro and closing title (10 second intro giving a title, followed by brief description, 5 second URL at the end), this was on 7-8 minute videos!

Rant over :)

Feel free to discuss (this is a forum after all) and include some rants of your own.
 
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Nothing I can disagree with there!

A pet peeve of mine is people who put music throughout the entire video. Why? If you've gone to the trouble to record something interesting, then surely viewers should be able to hear it as well. A video of Lymington slammers and 37s on a test train at Brockenhurst I saw recently is a prime example, got on my nerves! I'll name and shame though, said video I believe was from ValentaLamenter.

Long intros that have nothing to do with the video itself, also highly frustrating. Especially when the footage involved is not even as long as the intro. On a lengthy video (5+ minutes), more understandable, but a 30 second clip of something passing station X, no need.

Not experienced that irritating copyright thing as such, thankfully. Can imagine how annoying it must be though!
 

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I can't agree more!

I watched a video on YouTube which was taken at a Diesel Gala, the intro featured 90's, 66's, other DMU's and all sorts unrelated to the video in question! Usually it is splattered with their name like 395javelin or 220voyager or something.

I admit I have done 30 second intros to my clag and thrash compilations but it does feature trains related to the video and special effects.
In relation to credits I do add them to my MSTSstudio video's and sometimes my name appears on a few things but there are always other names included as I have a voluntary team that help with all sorts of parts to the video production.

I am also getting fed up of seeing 'trains and tonez v5203' or 'Class 170 at Chepstow with two tonez' and 'Class 66 MEGA 5 TONE HORN!!' blah blah blah....
Then there is the other odd one that say's 'Class 390 thrash'...eh!?!?!? If it's not that then it's someone saying 'Class 52 Clag and thrash at Yate' when in fact all it's doing is Idling past then powering into notch 1 providing a very small amount of clag that is hardly noticeable.
 

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Totally agree with heart-of-wessex. I've seen those diesel gala videos too, what's the need for shoving your username and/or logo all over the video?

And this obsession some people have with getting 'tonez' and labelling stuff as 'thrash' when it blatantly isn't is highly irritating. I do wonder when all this 'tonez' nonsense started, didn't seem to be such a problem only a couple of years ago. If you get a 'tone' from a driver, fair enough, but some people seem to have a 'tonez' fetish! :o

Whilst I'm still ranting, filling a video with the loco making no noise whatsoever for the majority of the video, grr! <(
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds stupidly long intros and watermarks really irritating.

With photos, it's all very well having a watermark so people don't use it, but what's the point if you can't see the photo properly anymore?
This one linked to in the Oxshott accident thread is one I find really puts me off even looking at the photos, because the watermarks make it pointless by blocking out so much.

A pet peeve of mine is people who put music throughout the entire video.

I will admit to having done that on a couple of videos, but they were more just experimenting to see what it would be like, and the interesting stuff is generally in other ones anyway.
 
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And this obsession some people have with getting 'tonez' and labelling stuff as 'thrash' when it blatantly isn't is highly irritating.

I couldnt agree more, Thrash is a word I hardly ever use in my videos because the majority of the time its not thrash, on videos that say "xxxxx Thrashes xxxxx station" I just think "wake me up when the thrash kicks in"

Ive also noticed that videos using buzz words like Tones and Thrash tend to get looked at more, my vid of 37676 and 685 at the weekend has just hit 100views and has the word thrash in it, my video of 20188 making a bit of a hammering hasnt got very many

theres a fair few videos out there that are excellent but dont get seen because it hasnt got "2 tone my lordzz thrash!" in the title
 

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Take a look at this I stumbled on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8GnSc3FDjQ

Now I can understand this kid has no tripod but still, how wobbly do you want to get!! The camera phone shots are terrible, especially when the 66 blasts the horn, the track looks like its on jelly!

Is it me or do I find the videos that have 'train arriving at xxxx' rather pointless? There is some videos that just have say a DMU arriving at BTM and that is it...not even departing. There are some that have pres locos simply arriving at xxx station then end of video...rather boring if you ask me, no noise or anything, unless you get turned on by trains stopping or brake squeals...
 

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What is with the obsession with horns?

Arrivals can sound interesting with Asynchronous traction - I know the Japanese are very into the various inverter sounds.
[youtube]MvuTVACG61E[/youtube]
 

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What I really find annoying is those who create their own "productions companies"

I saw one with by XXX (can't remember the name) productions, in association with Black 5 Productions, with Pacer Productions.
Look! Making a video and uploading it to YT does not make you a production company!
 

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Yes...


YES!

I recently I decided (/attempted to) watch a video of CR 828 crossing the only level crossing on the Strathspey Railway. The person had a stupidly long opening, huge text and music all the way through (and maybe a watermark?). I can't find the video atm, but it was the worst example I've seen. I actually refuse to watch videos with music through them because it's, as Techniquest basically said, pointless.
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Is it me or do I find the videos that have 'train arriving at xxxx' rather pointless? There is some videos that just have say a DMU arriving at BTM and that is it...not even departing. There are some that have pres locos simply arriving at xxx station then end of video...rather boring if you ask me, no noise or anything, unless you get turned on by trains stopping or brake squeals...

Eh, admittedly, I might feel like watching a 156 arriving at Stranraer or a Black 5 at Fort William and just watch those videos.
 

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What about people who don't understand aspect ratios, and who stretch 4:3 video to 16:9 making everything look horrendously obese. Can't stand that and I immediately close any such video.

Simple solutions to that problem:

- just put up with the black bars on YouTube.
- zoom the video to 16:9 using slightly more professional software than Windows Movie Maker; yes you'll lose the top and bottom of the video, and the quality may be decreased, but at least the ratio will still be correct
- get a widescreen camcorder

Totally agree with the pompously long intros that are longer than the actual video and the stupid ***MEGA RARE EXCLUSIVE*** titles. :roll:

And don't even get me started on people who cut off announcements in mid-flow on their videos. :roll:
 

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Woo someone else who hates 4:3 Stretcharama (or oompaloompa vision)

I also hate windowboxing, if you shoot in widescreen don't convert it to 4:3 because when you upload you will get a border right around the screen

DVDs that do this are even worse!
 

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the stupid ***MEGA RARE EXCLUSIVE*** titles. :roll:

And don't even get me started on people who cut off announcements in mid-flow on their videos. :roll:

Rather agree with the first point. One has to ask, how is it exclusive? Did they get sole rights to record the activity in question, and just how rare is it?

Just after clarification with the final point. Let's use an example. I recorded 66510 going through my local shack last week. During the time the wagons were going by, an announcement for the 1053 to Portsmouth Harbour kicked in. You'll be glad to know I captured the last bits of the announcement too, not sure at the time why I decided to do so.

Is it really a problem? I daresay I've done it plenty of times, but circumstances can make it necessary. Low battery, low tape/disc space/SD card space being just the first examples that come to mind.

As I say, I'm not having a go, just wanting clarification.
 

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I couldnt agree more, Thrash is a word I hardly ever use in my videos because the majority of the time its not thrash, on videos that say "xxxxx Thrashes xxxxx station" I just think "wake me up when the thrash kicks in"

Ive also noticed that videos using buzz words like Tones and Thrash tend to get looked at more, my vid of 37676 and 685 at the weekend has just hit 100views and has the word thrash in it, my video of 20188 making a bit of a hammering hasnt got very many

theres a fair few videos out there that are excellent but dont get seen because it hasnt got "2 tone my lordzz thrash!" in the title


Yeah...."Thrash & Hellfire!" Not words I like<(
 

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Here is a rather obnoxious intro

[youtube]rbA8azuG7OM[/youtube]
32 out of 80 seconds!

And with even more obnoxious still camera effect...
[youtube]jpVEz8JA7Sc[/youtube]
 

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Here is a rather obnoxious intro

32 out of 80 seconds!

I don't know what's worse about that one! The length, the "music" or the fact that is has pictures of busses!
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Yeah...."Thrash & Hellfire!" Not words I like<(

Not big on them either, but they're better than the word "Railfan", which I friggin despise.
 

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You won't like my account name then - otaku is a japanese word for fan (used for my love of Animé)
 

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Is it really a problem? I daresay I've done it plenty of times, but circumstances can make it necessary. Low battery, low tape/disc space/SD card space being just the first examples that come to mind.

It can be a bit annoying for the announcement enthusiasts out there when the video is cut just as something rare is being announced. But then, the videographer isn't really there for the announcements. It's a shame when it's just endless videos of Class 455s that nobody wants to watch anyway, and it's not even useful for announcements. May as well have some use eh?

This is a good example of how it should be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwoVSEYoB6o

( Note to the CIS operators - set up more charters ;) )
 

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But...but there's no cardboard box in that video! That's not much good for the cardboard box enthusiasts!! :mad:
 

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It can be a bit annoying for the announcement enthusiasts out there when the video is cut just as something rare is being announced. But then, the videographer isn't really there for the announcements. It's a shame when it's just endless videos of Class 455s that nobody wants to watch anyway, and it's not even useful for announcements. May as well have some use eh?

This is a good example of how it should be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwoVSEYoB6o

( Note to the CIS operators - set up more charters ;) )

There's such a thing as announcement enthusiasts? Can't say I was aware of that. As for cutting announcements out mid-way, I suppose it depends what the videographer feels his target audience is. A shot of, say, 37408 clagging away from somewhere is unlikely to roll on for a bit afterwards if some announcement comes on.

Suppose my point is that's a bit of a more specialist target audience than most videos will/can cover.

David: Not watched those videos, but looked at them briefly to see what these intros were. I think I've seen one of those before, having to suffer an intro for a short video is just not necessary!
 

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Anyone else find the people who zoom in and out on trains as they come towards and go away from them annoying?

Also people with a tripod that move the camera about. I mean, fair enough panning round to follow it, but why do you have to move it other than that?
 

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Quite an interesting topic this...

http://www.youtube.com/user/DcTrainMovies#p/u/39/Ah9EZ1DZ6QA

I dare you to watch part 2... it gets alot worse.
http://www.youtube.com/user/DcTrainMovies#p/u/38/-jskbTaE5f8

Shocks me how you could be so stupid to upload...
1) yourself talking & swearing to the camera
2) others smoking on the station
3) your mates standing that close to the edge that the driver of the oncoming train ****s himself and has no other option but to sound the horn repeatedly until passing the station with no fatalities (1:28 in part 2)

Its worrying! If I went out to Acton Bridge on the same day & was confronted with that lot id be on the next train home!

-Adam
 
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