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Vintage Trains: The Mayflower 27/09/2024

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Haven't seen a thread for this Friday's tour yet:

"Two Castle Class locomotives, Clun Castle and Earl of Mount Edgcumbe, will double head The Mayflower unassisted to Plymouth over the Devon banks in both directions".

Steam is from Bristol, I'm on it!!
 
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I will also be on it. Received the final confirmation email with the confirmed times this morning, as you probably did as well.
It should be an excellent trip. Although of course the main attraction is the two Castles, the diesel legs with the two Class 20s should be good as well. Much better traction than a Class 47.

Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
 
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bleeder4 said:
I will also be on it. Received the final confirmation email with the confirmed times this morning, as you probably did as well.
It should be an excellent trip. Although of course the main attraction is the two Castles, the diesel legs with the two Class 20s should be good as well. Much better traction than a Class 47.

Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
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bleeder4 said:
I will also be on it. Received the final confirmation email with the confirmed times this morning, as you probably did as well.
It should be an excellent trip. Although of course the main attraction is the two Castles, the diesel legs with the two Class 20s should be good as well. Much better traction than a Class 47.

Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
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Could you please advise the main outward times from BTM to PLY as for some reason only the return train times
have been published .
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bleeder4 said:
I will also be on it. Received the final confirmation email with the confirmed times this morning, as you probably did as well.
It should be an excellent trip. Although of course the main attraction is the two Castles, the diesel legs with the two Class 20s should be good as well. Much better traction than a Class 47.

Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
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That's a matter of opinion. Class 20s are slower, can't provide train supply and so on.
 
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The two 20s are doing the Birmingham - Bristol section, is that right?
 
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The two 20s are doing the Birmingham - Bristol section, is that right?
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Yes,they then run in front of the tour to Newton Abbot. Wait there for the tour to pass,then follow it over the Devon banks to Laira. Same on Rtn.
 
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bleeder4 said:
Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
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Will be disappointing if that’s the case, as VT have specifically stated that passengers at the back of the train on the first steam leg will be at the front for the return - following criticism of the exact same issue on the 1Z48 tour which put the tourist class punters on the back throughout the whole tour.
 
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Wilts Wanderer said:
Will be disappointing if that’s the case, as VT have specifically stated that passengers at the back of the train on the first steam leg will be at the front for the return - following criticism of the exact same issue on the 1Z48 tour which put the tourist class punters on the back throughout the whole tour.
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The train also reverses at Bristol. Tourist class is at the front from Birmingham to Bristol and Plymouth to Birmingham
 
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bleeder4 said:
Incidentally, looking at the movements around Plymouth on RTT it looks as if the whole train reverses there. The advantage of that of course is that everyone will get a sea wall view, but the disadvantage will be that someone sitting backwards on the outward will be going backwards on the return as well. Just something to bear in mind.
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Looking at 5Z22 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U28025/2024-09-27/detailed) I'm not sure. It looks to me from RTT that the tour stock berths in platform 4 and the Loco + Support coach turn independently.

- There's nothing else booked to use 4 in the times the tour is there, and lots of VAR schedules. The only reason to clear a platform out entirely would be for the stock to berth.
- 5Z22 is booked to have a reversal at the west end of Plymouth first (signal 131, it's not shown on OTT/Traksy but it's a GPL for shunt moves on the Down line at the west end). There's no reason you'd show this if the entire train was turning, it'd just depart straight out.
 
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Wrong routed in the approach to Bristol Temple Meads. Set back beyond the signal. Running around 25 late now.
 
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The return working seems to have stalled in Plymouth for some reason:

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Realtime Trains | 1Z22 1632 Plymouth to Birmingham New Street | 27/09/2024

Real-time train running information for 1Z22 1632 departure from Plymouth to Birmingham New Street on 27/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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EDIT: Might be a system fault as other services are not reporting either.
 
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It's on the move so appears to be the live data not working
 
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Now cruising through Dawlish 8 early. Suspect holding back a little so it can take a run at Dainton bank.
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When 1Z48 ran with Clun Castle earlier this year there were numerous gauging-related speed restrictions along the sea wall section through platforms, from memory included Starcross, Dawlish and Newton Abbot (all about 30mph). Which incidentally is why Clun didn’t get much of a run at Dainton and was barely over walking pace over the top, we only hit the nursery slopes below Stoneycombe at 42mph rather than the linespeed.
 
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It's managed to update that it's arrived in Exeter, however nothing between Plymouth and Exeter. Other services have seen similar, with no further updates beyond Exeter either.
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Regional data issue including GSM-R and train describers, now rectified
 
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Great return run from Plymouth to Exeter, start to stop Plymouth North Road to Exeter St Davids a shade under 65 minutes. The two castles nailed Hemerdon, despite a brief shower, and took Dainton with ease. Some fast running (low 70s) near the sea, no obvious gauge restrictions now. Down journey similarly impressive. It was also fun to leap frog the two class 20s sent to assist if needed (they weren't!). Good runs behind the 20s to and from Worcestershire Parkway where I left the train.
 
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What a difference a day or two makes: the scene at Dawlish yesterday 29 September:

 
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