Ive seen it many times 8)joea1 said:When I was at Reading a double Voyager pulled in and reversed, heading for Southampton. Probably from Manchester. Can a Voyager work with a Super Voyager?
Out of interest, why are there 8/10 car VT posts at East Croydon? There are NEVER any long Voyagers.
New Street, Wolverhampton, Stafford, Crewe, Manchester, unsure of any others, platform lengths aren't exactly things I note when visiting stations.joea1 said:No....Where would they stop?
We can dream...FGWFan said:6-carriage 220s and 7-carriage 221s would be more ideal...But hey! That's something that features in my ideal world, far far away...
I can't think of many places where they could stop. The longest normal platforms (excluding those at places like Gloucester and Cambridge where there are two platforms joined together), are for 12 coach trains made up of 20m coaches, giving a length of around 240m, wheras a single 4 car Voyager is about 140m long, so a 12 coach set, with 3 4 car Voyagers, would over 400m. A pair of 5 car Super Voyagers is actually about the length of a 12 car train formed of "standard length" 20m coaches. Even a Regional Eurostar is only 320m long, and at least they have SDO. A conventional Eurostar is around 395m long, so is the only thing that comes close. In both cases though, around 50m at each end is the powercar and the power section of the MSO. Looking at a Quail (no. 4, Midlands and North West) map, which gives the number of carriages per platform based on 20m coaches, a 15 car Voyager, which would need the platform to be able to take at least 20 20m coaches, could just about fit Euston P1 and 15, Nottingham P1 and P3, Rugby P1 and 2, Crewe P6 (Down only) and P12 and that is about all I can find. Significantly, they couldn't call at Birmingham New Street, and infact only one of those stations I have found they could call at is on the main XC network (Crewe). Most of those would be pushing it anyway, especially without SDO. In a lot of cases, you'd be fowling the points at one or both ends of the station aswell. Also, for a 3 coach train you would need most of the crew members duplicated 3 times (shop attendant, first class attendants, and the conductor, unless you wanted loads of fare dodging). Their is also the issue of whether any route actually need that sort of capacity (remember, even in terms of busy commuter routes, we're talking equivalent of a 20 coach EMU). In other words, I don't think it's going to happen.FGWFan said:Never experienced a 221 tilting anyway! Don't think I'm missing much anyway.
Has anyone heard of the 15-car Voyager runs proposed in 2004 and 2005?
Naturally the railway nowadays should never try and *improve* capacity - I can't begin to comprehend why they should even try when their business has grown something like 60%!yorkie said:It's a waste of resources to run 2x Voyagers together, let alone 3!
Interesting reminder that on the SRA stopping the HSTs with Virgin. Ever since I found that out, I hated the SRA with a passion, having the same dislike/hatred for the DfT at this time too. Can't see things improving any time soon.yorkie said:It's a waste of resources to run 2x Voyagers together, let alone 3!
It would make more sense for Virgin to have HSTs, as originally planned. Don't forget it was the SRA who stopped them.
There is a shortage of Voyagers at the moment, which is why the use of 2xVoyagers is rare on weekdays.
Surely passengers should be told about this before Birmingham :?AlexS said:As for 2 Voyagers running together, one of Virgins favourite tricks is to run the train to New St, then take a unit off and send it back, and make everyone in it attempt to get in the remaining unit.