Werrington grade separation updates

[hwl]

Never seen anything like that equipment so appreciate updates like the above.

Those are fairly basic transporters, the next level are these (french worksite video but plenty in use in the UK):

 

[59CosG95]

A bright spark on Twitter has added a well-known theme song to this clip...I have to say it works very well! https://twitter.com/southernmafia1/status/1210644263110893578?s=19

 

[D365]

A bright spark on Twitter has added a well-known theme song to this clip...I have to say it works very well! https://twitter.com/southernmafia1/status/1210644263110893578?s=19

Somehow, before even clicking the link, I just knew what it was going to be

 

[D365]

From the EMR Class 156 discussion:

If you had a choice of which station to use in Newark who wouldn't take the half empty 1727 Kings Cross service over what is currently the 1730 pair of 153s but will shortly be moving over to 158 operation?

Would a two-car Class 158 fit into Platform 1 alongside a twelve-car Class 700? Or is the idea that Lincoln trains will use the dive-under to access Platforms 5-7?

 

[Crun]

Looking south from Cock Lane bridge.



Looking west from Cock Lane bridge across old and new Stamford lines.



Looking south from Cock Lane bridge along new Stamford lines.



Looking north along new Stamford lines.



Looking south from Hurn Road bridge down the old and new Stamford lines.

 

[59CosG95]

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Looking south from Hurn Road bridge down the old and new Stamford lines.

I can add to this that the new Up Stamford is due to be commissioned next weekend. Usual caveats apply etc.

 

[Aictos]

I can add to this that the new Up Stamford is due to be commissioned next weekend. Usual caveats apply etc.

What’s happening to the old Up Stamford?

Good to see photos but just a little confused atm.

 

[edwin_m]

What’s happening to the old Up Stamford?

Good to see photos but just a little confused atm.

Mentioned further back that the Up Stamford is diverted to the west to make room for the work on the diveunder itself. I think it returns to approximately its original alignment once the diveunder is complete, so there are non-conflicting routes between both Stamford lines and the diveunder.

Best I can tell from the photos the Down Stamford (aka the Down Slow) is in use but the OLE is incomplete. The Up Stamford has never been electrified as there is no signaled route onto it from the Grantham direction.

 

[59CosG95]

Mentioned further back that the Up Stamford is diverted to the east to make room for the work on the diveunder itself. I think it returns to approximately its original alignment once the diveunder is complete, so there are non-conflicting routes between both Stamford lines and the diveunder.

Best I can tell from the photos the Down Stamford (aka the Down Slow) is in use but the OLE is incomplete. The Up Stamford has never been electrified as there is no signaled route onto it from the Grantham direction.

Yes, the Up Stamford moves twice; first to allow the diveunder to be constructed, then a second and final itme once the diveunder is finished.

 

[Aictos]

Yes, the Up Stamford moves twice; first to allow the diveunder to be constructed, then a second and final itme once the diveunder is finished.

Ahh thank you, so how long does the diveunder works to construct take?

Bearing in mind I’ve no idea of the time needed.

Lastly what happens to the Peterborough to Lincoln’s that use the bi directional Up Slow to/from Werrington Jct, will they be diverted to use platforms 4 to 7 using the diveunder or will they keep using the existing route?

 

[swt_passenger]

Ahh thank you, so how long does the diveunder works to construct take?

Bearing in mind I’ve no idea of the time needed...

They’re about one third through, reference is Network Rail (link in post #10) who announced:
“Work began in autumn 2018 and is expected to take three years to complete”.

 

[edwin_m]

Mentioned further back that the Up Stamford is diverted to the west to make room for the work on the diveunder itself. I think it returns to approximately its original alignment once the diveunder is complete, so there are non-conflicting routes between both Stamford lines and the diveunder.

Please note I've amended this post to read "west" not "east".

Lastly what happens to the Peterborough to Lincoln’s that use the bi directional Up Slow to/from Werrington Jct, will they be diverted to use platforms 4 to 7 using the diveunder or will they keep using the existing route?

They will be able to do that without blocking the Fasts, but whether they do or not will depend on how the timetable fits together in a couple of years time.

 

[Aictos]

Please note I've amended this post to read "west" not "east".

They will be able to do that without blocking the Fasts, but whether they do or not will depend on how the timetable fits together in a couple of years time.

But they don’t block the Fasts like they used to with Spalding bound services crossing both Fast lines and the Up Slow at Werrington Jct, that was why they made what’s now Platforms 1/2 at Peterborough to Werrington Jct bi directional so they don’t clash with Fast line services.

Course a future timetable might have them moved to Platform 6/7 but that is less use of a infrastructure good? By this I mean if the majority of those services use the diveunder both ways then what would be the point in having the bi directional signalling?

They’re about one third through, reference is Network Rail (link in post #10) who announced:
“Work began in autumn 2018 and is expected to take three years to complete”.

Expected being key word, course they could always finish ahead of schedule but it wouldn’t be much of a difference.

 

[edwin_m]

But they don’t block the Fasts like they used to with Spalding bound services crossing both Fast lines and the Up Slow at Werrington Jct, that was why they made what’s now Platforms 1/2 at Peterborough to Werrington Jct bi directional so they don’t clash with Fast line services.

Course a future timetable might have them moved to Platform 6/7 but that is less use of a infrastructure good? By this I mean if the majority of those services use the diveunder both ways then what would be the point in having the bi directional signalling?

Indeed, they could in future take either route without blocking the Fasts, unless for some reason the bi-di on the Up Slow is taken out. Which route they use will depend on when in the hour they run and what conflicting moves are scheduled around the same time.

 

[D365]

Lastly what happens to the Peterborough to Lincoln’s that use the bi directional Up Slow to/from Werrington Jct, will they be diverted to use platforms 4 to 7 using the diveunder or will they keep using the existing route?

I asked this question myself yesterday; my concern being whether a two-car Class 158 can fit into Platform 1 alongside a twelve-car Class 700. I read on a different thread that the Class 153s operating the Lincoln service are slated to be replaced by Class 158s.

 

[Aictos]

I asked this question myself yesterday; my concern being whether a two-car Class 158 can fit into Platform 1 alongside a twelve-car Class 700. I read on a different thread that the Class 153s operating the Lincoln service are slated to be replaced by Class 158s.

Not sure, think Platform 1 got extended a few years ago to take both a 12 car and a Class 153 but if it can take 14 coaches is something else.

 

[DaleCooper]

The new Down Stamford was in use today and they have started lifting the old old Down Stamford.

 

[59CosG95]

The new Down Stamford was in use today and they have started lifting the old old Down Stamford.

I have it, on very reliable authority, that the new temporary Up Stamford is to be commissioned this weekend.

 

[swt_passenger]

Not sure, think Platform 1 got extended a few years ago to take both a 12 car and a Class 153 but if it can take 14 coaches is something else.

It’s listed as having a 326m operational length in the sectional appendix...

 

[Aictos]

It’s listed as having a 326m operational length in the sectional appendix...

Don’t have access to that document so a 16 car train would fit?

 

[swt_passenger]

Don’t have access to that document so a 16 car train would fit?

Only if formed of 20m vehicles throughout, which I guess doesn’t apply to the local DMUs up there...

 

[Aictos]

Only if formed of 20m vehicles throughout, which I guess doesn’t apply to the local DMUs up there...

By my calculations, a 12 car Class 700 and a 3 car 158 should fit so a 2 car 158 ought fit easily?

Unless my maths is wrong?

 

[swt_passenger]

By my calculations, a 12 car Class 700 and a 3 car 158 should fit so a 2 car 158 ought fit easily?

Unless my maths is wrong?

I’d agree with that. A prospective four car DMU formed from a couple of units in multiple would be just too long.

 

[Edders23]

when they removed the old platform 1(bay) the platforms were extended but normally the Spalding trains come in after an up service has departed I think

Cock lane bridge and surrounds certainly look a lot different is it easier or harder to take photos from it ?

 

[Crun]

when they removed the old platform 1(bay) the platforms were extended but normally the Spalding trains come in after an up service has departed I think

Cock lane bridge and surrounds certainly look a lot different is it easier or harder to take photos from it ?

You can take photos towards the north and south from part way along the cycle ramps. Photographs can also be taken across the ECML from places lower down the ramps. The main span of the bridge has solid metal walls slightly less than 5' 10" in height. You'd need a box or step ladder to take photos from this point.

 

[D365]

when they removed the old platform 1(bay) the platforms were extended but normally the Spalding trains come in after an up service has departed I think

I’ve forgotten the railway term for it, but I have plenty of photos of a 12 car 365 or 700 parked in P1 alongside a 153. Hence my concern about when (if it hasn’t happened already) the 153 gets replaced by a 2 car unit.

 

[Crun]

Looking south from the Hurn Road bridge



Looking north from the Cock Lane bridge


Looking north from the Cock Lane bridge


Looking west from the Cock Lane bridge

 

[Porter Swain]

Wow! They really have got on with it....wanted to go down there and see for myself but a bad cold dictates me to stay in. Thanks for the update!

 

[Crun]

Wow! They really have got on with it....wanted to go down there and see for myself but a bad cold dictates me to stay in. Thanks for the update!

Due to be in use for tomorrow Monday 06/01/2020. I will be back there next Sunday. Get well soon.

A video courtesy of werrington junction from YouTube looking south from the Hurn Road bridge:

 

[DaleCooper]

I crossed Cock Lane bridge again this afternoon, both new Stamford lines are now in use. The old up line is being used to store steel sleepered track sections, are they for the diveunder section?