West Lothian buses

[Driver362]

I agree it's a lot of dead miles. However it's a cost both operator's face. BBT for example to an fro from deans to Edinburgh. Not sure how they cover breaks though and if its one driver one bus all day or whatever? Plus the stage carriage buses will have dead runs too? They both may claim some back on fuel duty rebate who knows. Been out that particular loop for a long time.

 

[Jordan Adam]

I agree it's a lot of dead miles. However it's a cost both operator's face. BBT for example to an fro from deans to Edinburgh. Not sure how they cover breaks though and if its one driver one bus all day or whatever? Plus the stage carriage buses will have dead runs too? They both may claim some back on fuel duty rebate who knows. Been out that particular loop for a long time.

I don't think you can claim fuel duty rebate on a dead run? That's why some operators will have special route variations (Stagecoach Highland with their 27D for example) where the service just goes direct from the terminal point to the depot.

 

[Baileygirl]

I don't think you can claim fuel duty rebate on a dead run? That's why some operators will have special route variations (Stagecoach Highland with their 27D for example) where the service just goes direct from the terminal point to the depot.

Ye a lot of companies started to set up positioning services like First's 900 from Deans depot to Livingston/East Calder/Kirknewton etc but these were deemed not to be in the scope of the rules.

 

[Jordan Adam]

Ye a lot of companies started to set up positioning services like First's 900 from Deans depot to Livingston/East Calder/Kirknewton etc but these were deemed not to be in the scope of the rules.

I'm fairly certain the reason first stopped them is because if a bus left/arrived the depot early or late it affected their punctuality score. I can't see it being because they were not deemed to be in the scope of rules given that plenty identical services still exist elsewhere within Scotland.

 

[Observer]

I'm fairly certain the reason first stopped them is because if a bus left/arrived the depot early or late it affected their punctuality score. I can't see it being because they were not deemed to be in the scope of rules given that plenty identical services still exist elsewhere within Scotland.

More like drivers weren't stopping for passengers and kept the bus lights off. Glasgow in particular had a huge problem with this.

 

[Jordan Adam]

More like drivers weren't stopping for passengers and kept the bus lights off. Glasgow in particular had a huge problem with this.

Yes, that to some extent goes with my point, drivers not realising it's a register run, so ignoring the timetable/route - which was affecting First's punctuality.

 

[Driver362]

I've driven plenty of routes like this And as has already been said drivers never stopped on these routes. I also mentioned I have been out of that particular loop re fuel duty etc etc for a good few years. So I'm happy to be corrected on this. I guess my intention was to highlight both opp Co's have a fair bit of dead millage

 

[jb66]

Lothian Country does not go to Edinburgh from Uphall Station. So would cost more than £7.60 as you would need to change buses unless you bought a day ticket.at £8.00

Uphall station is walkable from uphall and worth the walk at those prices.

Also up to 3 kids can travel for £1 return after 0915.

 

[christopherrfc]

lcb changes from the 29th of march

• PM0002883/28 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Leith Street, Edinburgh to Station Road, Kirkliston via Ratho Station
  
  Service number: N43
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 30 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/14 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Justinhaugh Drive, Linlithgow Bridge to Regent Road, Edinburgh
  
  Service number: X38
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/9 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: St Andrew's Square, Edinburgh to Justinhaugh Drive, Linlithgow Bridge
  
  Service number: EX2
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/1 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Edinburgh Park Station to Bathgate Railway Station via Gyle, Broxburn
  
  Service number: 275
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/2 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Edinburgh Regent Road to Bathgate Morrisons via East/Mid Calder, Craigshill, Ladywell, Deans
  
  Service number: X28
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/3 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Livingston Bus Terminal to Blackridge West End via St John's Hospital, Carmondean, Deans South, Bathgate, Bathville, Armadale
  
  Service number: 280
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/5 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Regent Road, Edinburgh to Whitburn, Polkemmet Road via Haymarket, Corstorphine, Broxburn, Uphall, Wester Inch, bathgate
  
  Service number: X18
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/8 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Loganlea to Regend Road, Edinburgh via Livingston, Broxburn,
  
  Service number: X17
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  
  
• PM0002883/13 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: West Main Street, Whitburn to Regent Road, Edinburgh
  
  Service number: X27
  
  Service type: Limited Stop
  
  Effective date: 29 Mar 2020
  

 

[overthewater]

So it retiming plus mergering 287 and 275 together. Lets hope it only goes around st John's once.

 

[A330Alex]

lcb changes from the 29th of march

• PM0002883/28 Registered
  LOTHIAN COUNTRY BUSES LIMITED
  
  Route: Leith Street, Edinburgh to Station Road, Kirkliston via Ratho Station
  
  Service number: N43
  
  Service type: Normal Stopping
  
  Effective date: 30 Mar 2020

Should that be an N38? There's still a separate N43 registration which hasn't been cancelled: https://www.vehicle-operator-licens...registered-local-bus-services/details/539753/

 

[jb66]

Should that be an N38? There's still a separate N43 registration which hasn't been cancelled: https://www.vehicle-operator-licens...registered-local-bus-services/details/539753/

Maybe they are making the south queensferry nightbus take the airport road rather than the a90?

 

[TheEastCoaster]

Maybe they are making the south queensferry nightbus take the airport road rather than the a90?

Must be an error, surely barnton/dalmeny residents would not be happy that their only night bus is stripped from them

Noticed the X17 is now Loganlea to Edinburgh, either that’s an error too or Fauldhouse is getting withdrawn from LCB

 

[jb66]

The N55 serves barnton and dalmeny at the weekends

 

[Weemidi135]

See the FAQs

 

[jb66]

See the FAQs

Where did you see that? Maybe I can now get a x18 to roseburn terrace

 

[tattyseal]

You can see it here

 

[Weemidi135]

Where did you see that? Maybe I can now get a x18 to roseburn terrace

you can get it to Murrayfield currently literally a 2 minute walk to Roseburn

 

[jb66]

you can get it to Murrayfield currently literally a 2 minute walk to Roseburn

I could do, or I can get first bus that stops there.

The murrayfield stop is quite a distance from Tynecastle Park, it's just as long as walking back to haymarket

 

[mb88]

The new stopping pattern for the X17/18/38 will be as it is currently to Maybury then all stops to Drum Brae South, then ONLY Toby Carvery, Station Road/Kirk Loan, Zoo, Western Corner, Murrayfield, Haymarket.

Some morning and evening peak X17 and X18 will operate via the RBS Gogarburn campus.

287 withdrawn with the 275 extended to cover this route to Bathgate.

X17 withdrawn between Loganlea and Fauldhouse.

Amended timetables on most routes.

 

[jb66]

https://lothiancountry.co.uk/network-change-to-take-effect-from-sunday-29-march/

 

[jb66]

N43 being extended from south queensferry to kirkliston. I expected to see a N18 for the weekend since first is pulling out of the Night Service

 

[overthewater]

So cost cutting has started.. Fauldhouse is gone and x12 is gone. Mind you x12 change is a smart move.

I see it lcb now matches first bus stops. Which is good.

So first has fauldhouse and lcb has kirknewton.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

N43 being extended from south queensferry to kirkliston. I expected to see a N18 for the weekend since first is pulling out of the Night Service

Suppose that saves the use of a N38 if the Linlithgow corridor demands it further down the line, suprised at the lack of a N18 too, but surprised that Fauldhouse is no longer served

 

[TheEastCoaster]

Also in the FAQ the 275 will terminate at the Gyle and only serve Edinburgh Park at peak times!

Wonder if the late evening journeys will still run on this service? And hope the Bathgate section is viable

 

[overthewater]

The bathgate section is 287..

 

[DunsBus]

I'm sure the railway bridge at Fauldhouse will be breathing a sigh of relief come March 29th, now that the X17 is being cut back.

 

[Weemidi135]

I'm sure the railway bridge at Fauldhouse will be breathing a sigh of relief come March 29th, now that the X17 is being cut back.

Just like any other bridge a bus has hit

 

[Driver362]

Must be an error, surely barnton/dalmeny residents would not be happy that their only night bus is stripped from them

Noticed the X17 is now Loganlea to Edinburgh, either that’s an error too or Fauldhouse is getting withdrawn from LCB

X17 is not an error. Could see that one a mile off! Total waste of diesel going past west calder /loganlea. What little customers there is up there, they have stuck with first. Which is totaly there choice. Can't say I will miss going up there tbh

 

[Driver362]

I'm sure the railway bridge at Fauldhouse will be breathing a sigh of relief come March 29th, now that the X17 is being cut back.

How long did it take to come up with that?