West Midlands Franchise ITT released by DfT

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  1. plcd1

    plcd1 Member

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    And the DfT have released details of the ITT for the new West Midlands franchise.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/better-journeys-on-the-way-for-rail-passengers-across-the-west-midlands

     
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  3. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    This has now been released there is an extract below and the link to the page with more is here:

     
  4. aformeruser

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    It seems bidders can propose using any EMUs which will become available such as the Northern 323s and TPE 350s but for DMUs it's a case of what they'll be left with by the current franchise unless DfT tell bidders otherwise or bidders propose using new stock.

    I notice they've asked for bidders to consider alternatives to 3+2 seating on the Cross City line.
     
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    I notice that in the spreadsheets there is no minimum service requirement for the Marston Vale branch, i.e. no services are required to be operated at all.

    Is this a possible precursor to it being transferred elsewhere, maybe Chiltern, for East West Rail?
     
  6. Domh245

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    Not a lot of interest from bidders for this one?
     
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    Here we go again:
    ITT page 71
     
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    I think you were looking at the Sunday service spreadsheet (attachment A part 2)?
     
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    Ah yes, so it is. Thanks.
     
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    I was quite pleased with it until seeing the briefing document and consultation response, specifically page 78 and it stating Wolverhampton will be transferred from VTWC to the winner of the Franchise competition.

    Surely a grave indication of Wolves losing ICWC services in the coming franchise contest...
     

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    It also reads to me that south WCML fasts that call at Leighton must also call at Bletchley (at present most do not). If that's true, that is a very welcome enhancement for us Bletchleyites.
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    I doubt it - it's just that with 1tph in each direction they aren't even nearly the main operator.
     
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    DCO will be the norm for any franchise ITT now. It shouldn't come as surprise to anyone, even LM guards.

    A quick glance through the ITT and there seems to be little improvement to Snow Hill passengers. The rumoured transfer of Statford-upon-Avon to Leamington services from Chiltern doesn't look to be included.
     
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    And...

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    I also wonder what happened to this in the Stakeholder Briefing?

    Got cold feet?
     
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    It's a shame there isn't a requirement to improve on-board catering and first class provision especially on their longer routes.
     
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    15 minutes? That's quite a significant move.
     
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    The station control by Virgin probably goes back to the days of 1ph to Scotland. 1tph to Birmingham and a terminating service every hour to London Euston. Services have changed now so actually Virgin are a very minor operator of the station.

    For me there is no benefit in not Stopping the Birmingham Scotland trains there so i doubt it will lose ICWC services.
     
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    That says DCO has to be possible using any new build stock, not that LM must implement DCO, it's called future proofing.
     
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    Another mistake is on page 23 of the SLC where it specifies a Saturday evening late service from New Street to stourbridge calling at Jewellery Quarter!
     
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    From working out the confusing spreadsheet names Hartford is getting 2tph from TSR2 (December 2018.)
     
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    Mention of a new hourly Birmingham to Crewe via Stoke, where are the paths for that coming from between Birmingham and Wolverhampton? Or is it going to take the form of one of the Liverpool's running via Stoke?
     
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    The new norm-to-be.
     
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    Probably one of the Liverpool's going via Stoke and the Euston - Crewe going direct to Crewe from Stafford.
     
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    It's an extention of a Brum-Wolves stopper, there is a graphic in the suite of documents showing it as such.
     
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    See diagram page 23: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...iefing-document-and-consultation-response.pdf

    Birmingham to Wolverhampton local extended to Crewe via Stoke. Euston to Crewe service routed away from Stoke, Birmingham to Liverpools remain on same route with revised stopping pattern.
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    Especially if it includes missed connections.
     
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    Indeed, one of the biggest responses in the consultation document was in favour of making on-train staff/guards more visible. I have a feeling they would not have published that statistic were DOO on the cards.
     
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    For the umpteenth time DOO does not mean no other staff on board and indeed if Guards aren't operating the doors they have more time to spend with the rest of the passengers on the train.
     
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    And also for the umpteenth time, DOO means that the guards aren't necessary for the operation of the train and can be dropped relatively easily should the franchise run into financial issues/DfT says so.
     
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    Can we discuss the other things in the ITT especially considering no-one has found any reference to a requirement for DOO or DCO to be implemented?
     
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    This is not a thread for discussing DOO. Any further posts on that subect in this thread will be deleted as off-topic without any warning.
     
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    Not had chance to read it al yet, but is there any indication of services transferring from other franchises e.g. the Shrewsbury-Crewe stopper from the Wales and Borders franchise?
     
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    Will the first class lounge at Wolverhampton be transferring to the new operator or will it remain a VTWC one.
     
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