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Thanks for the correction.TfL have not changed their byelaws, they have published a notice under byelaw 12.1 purporting to give a safety instruction.
Thanks for the correction.TfL have not changed their byelaws, they have published a notice under byelaw 12.1 purporting to give a safety instruction.
Have guards been given responsibility for enforcing the wearing of masks? If not then why do they get involved?I think I would have asked ‘show me your ticket.’ If they had one, which I doubt, he could have told them to sit together in the far end of the train. With the lass, I would have asked if she had an exemption without asking what it was. You can see I’m on the guard’s side by not giving any details, but I worry he might lay himself exposed.
Only provided they have been specifically authorised by the operator for that purpose.Guards have the legal entitlement to enforce mask requirements. To what extent their TOCs allow/require/encourage them to do so I do not know.
Enforce, of course, only means preventing someone from boarding, or giving them a direction to put on a mask or to leave. It doesn't entitle ordinary members of staff to forceably remove passengers once they are onboard.Guards have the legal entitlement to enforce mask requirements. To what extent their TOCs allow/require/encourage them to do so I do not know.
The Unions (or, at least the RMT) have instructed operational staff not to get involved in the enforcement of masks.Guards have the legal entitlement to enforce mask requirements. To what extent their TOCs allow/require/encourage them to do so I do not know.
Ashamed to admit I had a bit of a go at one of the pink vest brigade at Euston station. Pounced on me as I was mid putting my mask on to tell me I should have done it before entering the station, which is fair enough. The reason I lost it a bit is because he had his nose poking out the top of his mask!
What was fair enough about it? It does not sound very fair to me and i can understand you having a go at the pink vest.Ashamed to admit I had a bit of a go at one of the pink vest brigade at Euston station. Pounced on me as I was mid putting my mask on to tell me I should have done it before entering the station, which is fair enough. The reason I lost it a bit is because he had his nose poking out the top of his mask!
Ashamed to admit I had a bit of a go at one of the pink vest brigade at Euston station. Pounced on me as I was mid putting my mask on to tell me I should have done it before entering the station, which is fair enough. The reason I lost it a bit is because he had his nose poking out the top of his mask!
Legally you aren't obliged to put the mask on before entering the station, so doubly poor showing from the pink vest!
I'm of the belief that because I was in uniform (even for another non Euston TOC) I should be trying to set an example to passengers when I'm in a customer area. I was totally on autopilot when I walked into the station though, habits are hard to form it seemsWhat was fair enough about it? It does not sound very fair to me and i can understand you having a go at the pink vest.
Ashamed to admit I had a bit of a go at one of the pink vest brigade at Euston station. Pounced on me as I was mid putting my mask on to tell me I should have done it before entering the station, which is fair enough. The reason I lost it a bit is because he had his nose poking out the top of his mask!
The difference at Glasgow Central is that they do at least have the law on their side there. It's a pointless job but someone's gonna do it.I had the same at Glasgow Central , i do feel for them in their job. I never had a go at them.
They do not need to have been specifically authorized; they can already give a passenger a byelaw 12.2 direction to put a mask on and remove them if they didn’t, but we really are getting into angels on drawing-pins as no guard is going to do that in a month of Sundays.
An authorised person may, in an emergency or in other circumstances in which he believes he should act in the interests of safety, issue instructions to any person on the railway. No person shall, without good cause, disobey such instructions
BTP are exempt.
I think people should just respect the rules and other people. If everyone does that there are no issues.
Interestingly, at my work some members of the general public are criticising some staff for wearing masks. Can’t win really, but people should respect personal preference.
Most passengers I’ve seen are still wearing masks (and 1 BTP was too today that I saw).
After months of it being empty it actually brought a smile to my face to see it busy againI know someone who commutes in on the Victoria line and she was saying it was standing room only
BTP are exempt.
No misinterpretation or selectiveness has occurred save by your failure to infer the obvious “subject to the usual exceptions”.I'm afraid that is a selective (mis)interpretation of the byelaws. The relevant byelaw actually states:
I am glad we agree on this much.You are of course correct in saying that no conductor would even bother trying, however
... to be led away and "questioned"?BTP positioned on platforms this morning, holding and checking each train at:
Dagenham Heathway
Whitechapel
Aldgate East
then removing non-wearers
Pure hypocrisy. It undermines what little remaining credibility they have and shows that they consider it pointless.So what are the BTP doing that prevents them from passing on the virus? If we all knew then there wouldn't be a problem??