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What is the ownership status of the Crossrail core stations?

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Moderator note: split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-345-progress.120221

Some dynamic testing going on today in the tunnels. Interesting to see the station codes too for the stations.


Are these counted as separate stations then? I suppose it does make sense sort of.
 
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Are these counted as separate stations then? I suppose it does make sense sort of.

I guess because they're not part of the LU network, they need specific CRS codes. However my understanding is its also not strictly NR infrastructure either so it's a weird limbo.
 

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I guess because they're not part of the LU network, they need specific CRS codes. However my understanding is its also not strictly NR infrastructure either so it's a weird limbo.
They're not Network Rail (infrastructure maintainer, runs some large stations), but they are National Rail (public-facing catch-all brand which covers all the TOCs).
 

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They're not Network Rail (infrastructure maintainer, runs some large stations), but they are National Rail (public-facing catch-all brand which covers all the TOCs).

Yes by NR I refer to Network Rail. Saying that many LU stations do have CRS codes buried in the system.
 

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Believe it will be managed by Rail for London

Who are in term a subsidiary of Transport Trading Limited who themselves are a subsidiary of TfL, so essentially managed by them

Edit: The boring legal bit "By law, we cannot carry out certain activities except through a limited liability company which is a subsidiary of ours or which we formed or joined with others in forming".
 

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The ownership of core stations is actually rather complicated . Some like Paddington, bond Street and Tottenham court road are managed by London Underground limited and will be staffed accordingly.

Others are managed by rail for London and will be staffed by MTR staff. (Canary Wharf , Woolwich) While others are owned by network rail and managed by MTR staff (Abbey wood)
 

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The ownership of core stations is actually rather complicated . Some like Paddington, bond Street and Tottenham court road are managed by London Underground limited and will be staffed accordingly.

Others are managed by rail for London and will be staffed by MTR staff. (Canary Wharf , Woolwich) While others are owned by network rail and managed by MTR staff (Abbey wood)

It doesn't seem that complex to me
- Abbey Wood is already on NR infrastructure so similar to East and West stations its a NR station managed by MTR (a standard TOC scenario)
- Paddington / Bond Street etc are already LU stations so this is an extension of their station (they are connected and have TfL branding)
- Canary Wharf and Woolwich are brand new stations (ok you can argue the former) with no existing infrastructure.

This is somewhat off-topic from 345s though.
 

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Isn't the station at Canary Wharf owned by Canary Wharf Group PLC?
The underlying (or should that be overlying!) land's freehold might be, but you would expect for TfL/Rail for London to have a lease or other form of legal agreement giving them day-to-day control.
 

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The underlying (or should that be overlying!) land's freehold might be, but you would expect for TfL/Rail for London to have a lease or other form of legal agreement giving them day-to-day control.
I think Canary Wharf Group doesn't own any of the station but it has made some contributions for 'extras' (over and above the bare minimum for a working station).
 
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